Pervez Hoodbhoy March 3, 2001
#231 Posted by fmshah on December 24, 2008 5:15:38 am
Here's a tale of two Pakistani self-haters and defeatists who enjoy every moment of hating themselves and their country: Dr. Pervaiz Hoodbhoy and Asma Jahangir.
Whenever there is a writing project in any newspaper anywhere in the world where they want to bash Pakistan using a Pakistani name, they call one man in Islamabad: Dr. Hoodbhoy. He spews more venom against Pakistan than Hamid Karzai and Bal Thackery - an Indian Hindu terrorist - combined.
Asma Jahangir, another defeatist who went to India to shake the hands of Narendar Modi, the killer of 2500 Indian Muslims, has just volunteered to Hindustan Times to confirm that Mumbai terror was a Pakistani conspiracy [see below].
Here's a letter sent by a Pakistani young man to Dr. Pervaiz Hoodbhoy, a Pakistani self-hater, and received no reply. And then watch Asma Jahangir's video.
Recommendation: We need to start a witch-hunt in Pakistan to cleanse our academia and public life of such self-haters and defeatists who poison the minds of young Pakistanis about their homeland. Such academics and human rights activists should not be allowed to hide behind the freedom of expression.
TO: Dr. Pervaiz A. Hoodbhoy
Professor and Chairman
Physic Department
Quaid-e-Azam University,
Islamabad.
E-mail: hoodb...@lns.mit.edu
NATION WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU
Dear Dr Pervaiz Hoodbhoy Sahib,
I have been reading your articles and research reports and watching your interviews on different TV channels on different issues. I have tried to go through your articles again and again to satisfy myself that whatsoever you are speaking in the name of freedom of speech is just an ordinary criticism and could be a difference of opinion.
But I regret to say that I am unable to do so. In dozens of your articles and interviews you have never ever said a single positive thing about Pakistan and have always tried to portray a false picture of Pakistan, according to which Pakistan is a failed state. Whether it's the issue of extremism, or Pakistan's nuclear assets, or Pak-India relations, or if there is an issue of western and Indian allegations, you have always come up with your nasty ideas to prove to the world community that whatever the enemies of Pakistan are saying, you are more than happy to say it from them, using a Pakistani identity, which is an act for which you feel no shame.
I am not sure if Pakistanis have seen your massive one-man campaign against Pakistan where you have alleged that we are not capable of retaining our nuclear assets. Or, now, after the Mumbai attacks, when even the cheapest of Pakistani politicians have shown some kind of patriotism and unity for the sake of Pakistan, at this crucial time again you are trying to prove what the enemies of Pakistan are trying to do. I fail to understand what motivates you except gaining popularity in West or even in India.
India is a so-called democracy where low caste Hindus, Christians and Muslims are burned alive [a ritual unique to India, doesn't happen anywhere else], where Hindu extremists are in the government, where groups like Bajrang Dal are trained in Indian Army schools. But India seems like Switzerland after reading one of your articles on India, especially the one you wrote recently after a visit to India. India's terrorist and rogue intelligence agency, RAW, which is funding and supporting separatist movements in our tribal belt and in Balochistan, continues to be an untouchable issue for you. What really is important for you is to put all your efforts toward portraying a negative Pakistan.
I give you an example from the history which you will find self explanatory in reference to our current scenario.
I am not sure if our enemies will impose a war on Pakistan or not but at this crucial stage all your efforts to distort Pakistan's image is not going to remain unnoticed and the nation will never forgive you for what you have done.
Wassalam.
Waqas Ahmed
Muscat, Sultanate of Oman
Whenever there is a writing project in any newspaper anywhere in the world where they want to bash Pakistan using a Pakistani name, they call one man in Islamabad: Dr. Hoodbhoy. He spews more venom against Pakistan than Hamid Karzai and Bal Thackery - an Indian Hindu terrorist - combined.
Asma Jahangir, another defeatist who went to India to shake the hands of Narendar Modi, the killer of 2500 Indian Muslims, has just volunteered to Hindustan Times to confirm that Mumbai terror was a Pakistani conspiracy [see below].
Here's a letter sent by a Pakistani young man to Dr. Pervaiz Hoodbhoy, a Pakistani self-hater, and received no reply. And then watch Asma Jahangir's video.
Recommendation: We need to start a witch-hunt in Pakistan to cleanse our academia and public life of such self-haters and defeatists who poison the minds of young Pakistanis about their homeland. Such academics and human rights activists should not be allowed to hide behind the freedom of expression.
TO: Dr. Pervaiz A. Hoodbhoy
Professor and Chairman
Physic Department
Quaid-e-Azam University,
Islamabad.
E-mail: hoodb...@lns.mit.edu
NATION WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU
Dear Dr Pervaiz Hoodbhoy Sahib,
I have been reading your articles and research reports and watching your interviews on different TV channels on different issues. I have tried to go through your articles again and again to satisfy myself that whatsoever you are speaking in the name of freedom of speech is just an ordinary criticism and could be a difference of opinion.
But I regret to say that I am unable to do so. In dozens of your articles and interviews you have never ever said a single positive thing about Pakistan and have always tried to portray a false picture of Pakistan, according to which Pakistan is a failed state. Whether it's the issue of extremism, or Pakistan's nuclear assets, or Pak-India relations, or if there is an issue of western and Indian allegations, you have always come up with your nasty ideas to prove to the world community that whatever the enemies of Pakistan are saying, you are more than happy to say it from them, using a Pakistani identity, which is an act for which you feel no shame.
I am not sure if Pakistanis have seen your massive one-man campaign against Pakistan where you have alleged that we are not capable of retaining our nuclear assets. Or, now, after the Mumbai attacks, when even the cheapest of Pakistani politicians have shown some kind of patriotism and unity for the sake of Pakistan, at this crucial time again you are trying to prove what the enemies of Pakistan are trying to do. I fail to understand what motivates you except gaining popularity in West or even in India.
India is a so-called democracy where low caste Hindus, Christians and Muslims are burned alive [a ritual unique to India, doesn't happen anywhere else], where Hindu extremists are in the government, where groups like Bajrang Dal are trained in Indian Army schools. But India seems like Switzerland after reading one of your articles on India, especially the one you wrote recently after a visit to India. India's terrorist and rogue intelligence agency, RAW, which is funding and supporting separatist movements in our tribal belt and in Balochistan, continues to be an untouchable issue for you. What really is important for you is to put all your efforts toward portraying a negative Pakistan.
I give you an example from the history which you will find self explanatory in reference to our current scenario.
I am not sure if our enemies will impose a war on Pakistan or not but at this crucial stage all your efforts to distort Pakistan's image is not going to remain unnoticed and the nation will never forgive you for what you have done.
Wassalam.
Waqas Ahmed
Muscat, Sultanate of Oman
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#228 Posted by Sachchi on August 14, 2001 1:53:45 pm
Perversely, it was actually the BJP that, by ordering Pokhran-II, actually fathered Kargil????
This one is unexpected from the author! Is there an end to `passing the buck`??
This one is unexpected from the author! Is there an end to `passing the buck`??
#227 Posted by imranzahid on June 7, 2001 9:54:48 am
It`s a wonder attempt to change the intentions of elites and our youngesters to disarm ourselves and this world.
#226 Posted by shankar on March 30, 2001 10:36:09 pm
globalsoul,
My globetrotting friend; please enlighten us about your nationality. I`d shudder if you say India.
{{{I personally believe that Pakistan has no justification being a state. It is totally corrupt and bankrupt. It should be divided equally between Iran and India. I think that may happen in the future anyway.}}}
Maybe Pakistan should join your country (if its other than India)--she may improve your national IQ. India has enough problems of her own, pray tell me why India should be foolish enough to take over Pakistan`s problems too? I dont think Indians are that philanthropic.
My globetrotting friend; please enlighten us about your nationality. I`d shudder if you say India.
{{{I personally believe that Pakistan has no justification being a state. It is totally corrupt and bankrupt. It should be divided equally between Iran and India. I think that may happen in the future anyway.}}}
Maybe Pakistan should join your country (if its other than India)--she may improve your national IQ. India has enough problems of her own, pray tell me why India should be foolish enough to take over Pakistan`s problems too? I dont think Indians are that philanthropic.
#225 Posted by globalsoul on March 29, 2001 4:46:29 am
I believe both`of your countries can not afford to even conventional arms race let alone a nuclear one. You guys should stick to improving your populations basic standard of living. I personally believe that Pakistan has no justification being a state. It is totally corrupt and bankrupt. It should be divided equally between Iran and India. I think that may happen in the future anyway.
#224 Posted by shammi on March 17, 2001 4:23:41 pm
Re: Fuzair #218
``There is still a battalion of the Indian Army that calls itself ``Wellesley`s Own`` since he was their CO before he became the Duke of Wellington. ``
There is also a beautiful hill-station in South India named after Wellington (complete with a Defence Services Staff College to boot)
http://mod.nic.in/isorganisations/welcome.html
The following article gives numerous references to Wellesley`s influence on the Indian Army (e.g: ``The Madras regiment`s elephant-crest was won after the Madras army`s daring action under Wellesley against the Peshwa`s army at Assaye, a battle he once described as tougher than Waterloo``):
http://www.the-week.com/21jan28/cover.htm
``There is still a battalion of the Indian Army that calls itself ``Wellesley`s Own`` since he was their CO before he became the Duke of Wellington. ``
There is also a beautiful hill-station in South India named after Wellington (complete with a Defence Services Staff College to boot)
http://mod.nic.in/isorganisations/welcome.html
The following article gives numerous references to Wellesley`s influence on the Indian Army (e.g: ``The Madras regiment`s elephant-crest was won after the Madras army`s daring action under Wellesley against the Peshwa`s army at Assaye, a battle he once described as tougher than Waterloo``):
http://www.the-week.com/21jan28/cover.htm
#223 Posted by shankar on March 17, 2001 10:03:43 am
Fuzair/Pardesi,
{{{Indians betraying fellow Indians were the norm not the exception. Why is that? Were we, are we, so feckless a group of people that treachery is ingrained in us? }}}
Ironic isnt it? We wear our religion on our sleeve, like a badge of honor. We thump our chests & praise its glory. Yet the true meaning of religion has never sunk into our hearts. Perhaps we deserve our fate.
We are something; else:)
{{{Indians betraying fellow Indians were the norm not the exception. Why is that? Were we, are we, so feckless a group of people that treachery is ingrained in us? }}}
Ironic isnt it? We wear our religion on our sleeve, like a badge of honor. We thump our chests & praise its glory. Yet the true meaning of religion has never sunk into our hearts. Perhaps we deserve our fate.
We are something; else:)
#222 Posted by Pardesi on March 17, 2001 1:55:48 am
Shankar # 223
{A few 100 thousand British ruled millions of Indians by ``divide & conquer`` ---& they ruled them ``magnificently``.}
I would not characterize it ``divide and conquer`` .. we were always divided .. they just exploited our divisions very astutely .. more ``british indians`` (desis) have been butchered by ourselves in 1946, 47, 65, 71, 84 than british ever killed during their 200 year rule. As soon as they left, we started the hurt game in earnest all over again.
We really are something.
{A few 100 thousand British ruled millions of Indians by ``divide & conquer`` ---& they ruled them ``magnificently``.}
I would not characterize it ``divide and conquer`` .. we were always divided .. they just exploited our divisions very astutely .. more ``british indians`` (desis) have been butchered by ourselves in 1946, 47, 65, 71, 84 than british ever killed during their 200 year rule. As soon as they left, we started the hurt game in earnest all over again.
We really are something.
#221 Posted by fuzair on March 16, 2001 7:23:00 pm
Re: Shankar #223
Why blame it on Hindu-Muslim rivalry/hatred? Muslims betrayed Muslims and Hindu Hindus. In fact, every one betrayed every one else. I have yet to hear of a Britisher betraying the British anywhere in India. Even when, e.g., Clive was plundering Bengal and lining his own pocket, he was furthering British/East India Company objectives. I`m sure we could find the odd incident or two if we root through all 350 years of the British in India BUT Indians betraying fellow Indians were the norm not the exception. Why is that? Were we, are we, so feckless a group of people that treachery is ingrained in us? Or is this simply amoral familism run amuck (actually, our--at least Muslim--history seems to revel in tales of relatives betraying other relatives; gives new meaning to the saying, ``the nearer in blood, the bloodier).
Why blame it on Hindu-Muslim rivalry/hatred? Muslims betrayed Muslims and Hindu Hindus. In fact, every one betrayed every one else. I have yet to hear of a Britisher betraying the British anywhere in India. Even when, e.g., Clive was plundering Bengal and lining his own pocket, he was furthering British/East India Company objectives. I`m sure we could find the odd incident or two if we root through all 350 years of the British in India BUT Indians betraying fellow Indians were the norm not the exception. Why is that? Were we, are we, so feckless a group of people that treachery is ingrained in us? Or is this simply amoral familism run amuck (actually, our--at least Muslim--history seems to revel in tales of relatives betraying other relatives; gives new meaning to the saying, ``the nearer in blood, the bloodier).
#220 Posted by sadna on March 16, 2001 2:50:29 pm
shammi#221
Near here(in the US), there is a road up which one Shri Cornwallis lead a famous march by the British during the US Revolutionary War of Independence. I said the same thing when I heard ``yeh woh Cornwallis tho nahin hai``. It was, obviously :).
Near here(in the US), there is a road up which one Shri Cornwallis lead a famous march by the British during the US Revolutionary War of Independence. I said the same thing when I heard ``yeh woh Cornwallis tho nahin hai``. It was, obviously :).
#219 Posted by shankar on March 16, 2001 8:37:25 am
shammi/Fuzair/all,
The REAL coyote in our history has always been the British. Thats why we desis admire (& hate) them so much.
A few 100 thousand British ruled millions of Indians by ``divide & conquer`` ---& they ruled them ``magnificently``.
Should`nt blame the British, really speaking. Its OUR fault. Our GREATEST vulnerability is that hindus & muslims hate each other. They just exploited that vulnerability with great finesse.
``Isi baat per hum log hamesha maar kha jaaten hain``!! Wow! Coming to Chowk is suddenly reviving my hindi:)
Its STILL happening. India just infused billions of dollars into the Russian economy. Those frikking dhoti clads in Delhi THINK they are coyotes as far as Pakistan is concerned. In the eyes of arms exporting countries we are nothing but juicy BAKRAS.
The REAL coyote in our history has always been the British. Thats why we desis admire (& hate) them so much.
A few 100 thousand British ruled millions of Indians by ``divide & conquer`` ---& they ruled them ``magnificently``.
Should`nt blame the British, really speaking. Its OUR fault. Our GREATEST vulnerability is that hindus & muslims hate each other. They just exploited that vulnerability with great finesse.
``Isi baat per hum log hamesha maar kha jaaten hain``!! Wow! Coming to Chowk is suddenly reviving my hindi:)
Its STILL happening. India just infused billions of dollars into the Russian economy. Those frikking dhoti clads in Delhi THINK they are coyotes as far as Pakistan is concerned. In the eyes of arms exporting countries we are nothing but juicy BAKRAS.
#218 Posted by fuzair on March 16, 2001 7:28:54 am
Re: Shammi`s posts
Interesting. I didn`t know that Tipu was a secular/nationalist hero in India. Here is a somewhat different view of him: http://www.indiastar.com/wallia7.htm
This is closer to the Tipu Sultan I recall from my history reading.
Regards.
Interesting. I didn`t know that Tipu was a secular/nationalist hero in India. Here is a somewhat different view of him: http://www.indiastar.com/wallia7.htm
This is closer to the Tipu Sultan I recall from my history reading.
Regards.
#217 Posted by shammi on March 16, 2001 1:38:35 am
Re: Fuzair
It is indeed amazing how many famous English Generals fought in India (Wellington and Cornwallis of Yorktown, Virginia infamy) to name a few. There used to be a colonial-era housing complex in Delhi called Havelock Square near the Viceroy`s residence (now Rashtrapati Bhavan). Most residents knew little about Gen. Havelock, after whom the square was named. One of my relatives, on a visit to Trafalgar Square, London, came across a statue of the General, and retorted, ``Arre, yeh wohi Delhi-wallah Havelock to nahin hain?`` Turns out, he was right. Gen. Havelock made his name by relieving the Lucknow Residency during the 1857 Mutiny!
It is indeed amazing how many famous English Generals fought in India (Wellington and Cornwallis of Yorktown, Virginia infamy) to name a few. There used to be a colonial-era housing complex in Delhi called Havelock Square near the Viceroy`s residence (now Rashtrapati Bhavan). Most residents knew little about Gen. Havelock, after whom the square was named. One of my relatives, on a visit to Trafalgar Square, London, came across a statue of the General, and retorted, ``Arre, yeh wohi Delhi-wallah Havelock to nahin hain?`` Turns out, he was right. Gen. Havelock made his name by relieving the Lucknow Residency during the 1857 Mutiny!
#216 Posted by shammi on March 16, 2001 1:38:35 am
Re: Fuzair #218
``That the Hindus betrayed him (Tippu Sultan) because of his abominal treatment of them``
I really do not know how far that is true. I am not even sure that the general who betrayed him was Hindu (was he not Muslim? Anyway, the lack of unity has been a continuous refrain in the history of the Subcontinent to the detriment of many empires and kings). In fact, the British succeeded in isolating Tippu after the Nizam of Hyderabad agreed to remain neutral in any British-Tippu conflict. That limited Tippu`s options. Tippu is revered in India. Here is some info on his credentials on tolerance:
http://www.tippusultan.org/writ2.htm
``That the Hindus betrayed him (Tippu Sultan) because of his abominal treatment of them``
I really do not know how far that is true. I am not even sure that the general who betrayed him was Hindu (was he not Muslim? Anyway, the lack of unity has been a continuous refrain in the history of the Subcontinent to the detriment of many empires and kings). In fact, the British succeeded in isolating Tippu after the Nizam of Hyderabad agreed to remain neutral in any British-Tippu conflict. That limited Tippu`s options. Tippu is revered in India. Here is some info on his credentials on tolerance:
http://www.tippusultan.org/writ2.htm
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