The Good Wife

Sameer: Take notez, this is what happens when strict logicians start making jokez (people take them seriously).

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Sameer ji:

[Did you realize that it was a joke? ]

--of course i realized it was a joke, as was mine. And I know that Punjabi liberal males do exist..rare occurrence as that may be. And I don`t differentiate between Punjabi and Urdu speaking males..one isn`t better than the other. :)

[Punjab became infested with madrassah and jehadis.]--as did NWFP, Sind and Baluchistan, I`m sure. There are madrassahs throughout Pakistan. Tau kya???

[...when winds of secularism and liberalism take hold of our part of the world.]--no chance of that happening anytime soon, despite our prayers and wishes.

[In this world, nothing comes easy. You will have to struggle and fight for your wishes and rights.]--news flash..been there and done that, and am still doing that!!!

[All you need are determination and understanding of how the system works in modern world and perspiration alone is not enough. At deeper level you must have all your conviction, yet in practical terms playing always against the wind does not guarantee success. Succeed in life first and then work on your convictions is better than other way around.]

--I think I`ve seen just about enough of how the `system` works in the modern world. And I cannot envision succeeding in the world without my convictions.

[Do you think Jesus and Mohammaed would have approved of fooling your own eyes and cheating your own brain? ]

--I can`t read their minds, but probably not. Doesn`t stop us from being slaves to the material world, and killers in their name.

[I wish you all the best]

--And I wish you the same. Although I must add that I hope my fellow Punjabi `parra` tahmed is wrong, and that you were not being insulting to us Punjabis in regards to our language or our persons. And if you were, I`d think you were insulting 5 feet persons and 300 lbs persons as well...and what was intended as a `harmless` joke on your part, and has been taken as ethnic chauvinism has now extended to just mean-spiritedness all around. don`t you think so tahmed?

tahmed: Oh boy! Where did you get this idea of me a Punjabi-hater? The liberalism in Pakistani males is directly proportional to rural/ urban ratio of different ethnic groups. Urdu speaking being mostly urban, have more exposure to diverse ideas and view - a necessity for becoming liberal.

I do not think you have the slightest idea of the depth of my love for Punjabiat. Punjabi is my cultural identity, American/ Pakistani is my national identity and ??? is my religious identity. Punjab is where my heart is. Got it?

The 5 ft stuff was directed against myself instead of anybody else. The average height or weight of Punjabis never crossed my mind when making up a joke about Real Man with putting myself in the middle. Its purpose was simply to make people laugh. It was not stereotypical of any ethnicity but creating a paradox of not being attractive looking but very attractive as open minded individual.

Punjabiat is lot more important to me than you, because it is above religion for me. You want to talk about god, eh?

SameerJB: And about that 5 foot 300 lb Panjabi male you made up: the easily observed fact of course is that the average Panjabi is taller and better built than the average Mohajir. I would not consider this to be a big deal, but height and looks obviously important to you, otherwise you would not use them to try to put down Panjabis. And this also indicates that your hatred for Panjabis is based on an underlying inferiority complex. And this from a man who lives in California and has a university education. It just proves, some things never leave a person, even if you take him out of the environment in which he grew up in.

SameerJB #142 you write ``, you are absolutely right about shortage of Punjabi liberal males compared to Urdu speaking males. It is sad. This is the nature of Punjab.``

Your shameless ethnic chauvinism is of course factually unfounded. All such smug little generalizations shed light on is your own petty, narrow-minded way of thinking.

ana jee: I am glad to make you LOL. That was the only purpose. Did you realize that it was a joke? Did you know that February 29, 2002 did not exist because 2002 is not a leap year? Did you notice Box 666-420 at the end? In numerology, 666 is the number assigned to devil or satan and 420 to fraud.

I guess, I scared Samina so much with my own characterization that she decided not to write ``Sameer Bhaiyya`` lest people get the wrong impression of sister-brother-look-alike. hehehe...

Don`t worry Samina, that was not true and therefore, no need to shy away from calling me bhai.

ana, you are absolutely right about shortage of Punjabi liberal males compared to Urdu speaking males. It is sad. This is the nature of Punjab. They cared little about partition but once on the bandwagon, they became ardent TNT fan. They cared little about Islam but once got into madrassah and jehadi business, Punjab became infested with madrassah and jehadis. I guess they become pragmatic too quickly. Hopefully this nature will persist when winds of secularism and liberalism take hold of our part of the world.

In this world, nothing comes easy. You will have to struggle and fight for your wishes and rights. I have no doubt that you have the capabilities of becoming a good writer. All you need are determination and understanding of how the system works in modern world and perspiration alone is not enough. At deeper level you must have all your conviction, yet in practical terms playing always against the wind does not guarantee success. Succeed in life first and then work on your convictions is better than other way around. Sooner or later it will dawn upon you that we do not live in the world of beliefs but in make belief world. In make belief world, the foundation principles or paradigms are not religious beliefs, moral and ethical values and honesty etc; they are striving for success in the existing world order in all spheres of life. Is it honest to fool your eyes by showing more than 16 pictures per second so that you have the illusion of moving picture? Is it honest to fool the brain chemistry by taking birth control pills or a number of other medicines? Do you think Jesus and Mohammaed would have approved of fooling your own eyes and cheating your own brain? The discussion about god and religions as truths is nothing but bs in which I am also guilty of taking part. Believe me ana, the whole world order will collapse if moral and ethical values according to religions are to be followed in essence. Those values have limited utility in personal relationships, with family and friends.

I wish you all the best.

For those of you in NYC and its environs (and anywhere else :))

Rehan Ansari..haan apne chowk ka Rehan, is teaching a class on Indian cinema, To find out more about it, visit the link indicated below

http://www.nsu.newschool.edu/fall02/comm5.htm#NFLM3441

And sign up, if it strikes your fancy :)

Thanks!

Sameer,

:)

Ana,

We are all feminazis by virtue of being female....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2156975.stm

Sunday, 28 July, 2002, 11:12 GMT 12:12 UK Iran `brothel` plan rejected

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[] Plan has run into trouble with women`s groups

By Jim Muir

BBC correspondent in Iran

A controversial plan to set up what are being denounced as licensed brothels in Iran has been rejected by official bodies.

It`s a euphemism for the official establishment of houses of corruption

Iranian Women`s Social and Cultural Council The growing problem of prostitution in the country has been the subject of mounting concern, but this attempt to find an Islamic solution was not well received in some quarters. The detailed plan for the establishment of what are being coyly referred to as ``decency houses`` was drawn up by the Interior Ministry`s deputy for social affairs. But according to senior police officials, the plan was rejected by the Ministry`s own Social Council, having run into opposition from religious quarters and women`s groups. Medical services The aim of the scheme was to arrange and regulate encounters between men and women who want to have sex but who, for one reason or another, are not ready for full marriage. [] Nearly two million Iranian women do not have

Sameer..

[I, J. B. sameer, do solemnly swear to be a Real Man. As a proof, I have attached my matrimonial add, published previously in India Abroad dated February 29, 2002.}

---LOL. That long ago eh badshao? Any responses yet..or is that just toooo liberal for desis to handle?!?!!!!!

[I am an extremely liberal professional Punjabi male, believing and practicing absolute gender equality at all levels. ]

---Hai rabba! Do such Punjabi males really exist in this universe? Achcha..could you do me a favor and guide one in my direction..I am an extremely liberal Punjabi female (nazi, NOT)..believing if not necessarily seeing in practice, gender equality (does `absolute` exist?), and if he can make all the money, so that I can devote myself solely to the love of writing, volunteer work, and social/political issues, that would be most excellent!!!

I, J. B. sameer, do solemnly swear to be a Real Man. As a proof, I have attached my matrimonial add, published previously in India Abroad dated February 29, 2002.

[I am an extremely liberal professional Punjabi male, believing and practicing absolute gender equality at all levels. I detest poor treatment of women in desi societies. I also believe in women sharing equal respect, power and right to choose in the subcontinent and around the world.

I am looking for a match in thoughts and ideas from a young, 18-25 years old, pretty, fair skinned. slender, tall, feminazi lady to become THE GOOD WIFE. I am a 5 ft tall, weighing 300 lbs, waiste 48 inches, jet black color, totally bald, using thick glasses for 0/12 vision, chain smoker, couch potato with one leg, one hand, one ear and one eye in perfect condition.

I promise to do all the cooking, dishes, mopping floor, doing laundry, making bed, raising children, sharing 10 percent bed and 100 percent salary. Please send your current full size photo with correspencence to: Care of India Abroad, Box 666-420.]

re saminashah #129:

feminazis have obviously upgraded and diversified. I was probably stuck with imitations of the real thing or I need to get out more :)

Waiting with baited breath for your Real man list.....

later

-sac

rsaxena #128 ``...just because we don`t yet fully understand physics at the subatomic level does not mean that we never will``

As our circle of knowledge grown over the past several centuries, so has the perimeter that separates it from what we dont know. So the more we have come to know, the more we have also come to realize how little we know. As such, I dont share your optimism that we will one day know everything there is know about physics - even today, most scientists believe we can never understand what happened prior to the Big Bang 14 billion or so years ago. Or after the Big Crunch which, per current weather forecasts, is expected to occur some tens of billions of years from now.

DRUMZ:

Thanks for the reply. I didn`t consider the bible a historical reference in the strict sense of the word. It is at best historical inspirational folklore. (That, of course, was those folks` idea of history-- objectivity wasn`t a big deal ill the 17th century AD)

``I agree that faith in god can not be argued rationally but not believing in the existence of a being which is by definition some kind of unknowable, imperceptible thing is not illogical and dogmatic.``

Totally agree. I only got into this debate to counter the imbecilic contention that the non-existence of God (whatever that Idea means to it`s holder) was something of a proven proposition.