A Tale of Two Countries: Comparing India and Pakistan’s Economies
Zafar Anjum and Syeda Quratulain October 22, 2002
#137 Posted by Puri on April 12, 2006 11:51:49 am
A Brief Happening of events:
Irfan Iqbal Puri, tortured to extract money, officials driven by greed of reward and appreciation. Irfan was subjected to a total six months of illegal arrest including two months of a 24 hours a day solitary confinement, which also contains a 14 days period at The Attock Fort, in a 4ft x 7ft dark death cell, Irfan was not shown day light for the 14 days at The Attock Fort, was physically, mentally and verbally abused to the limit, perhaps treated as an Indian spy (They are Kept in these cells).
Irfan, was victimized for pure pleasure and greed,
1. A businessman of repute carrying on businesses among others as a member of the Karachi Stock Exchange, Oil Trading, Tank Farms for Oil Storage, Software development, Property Development, etc... Prior to his arrest on December 15, 1999, the victim carried out businesses in Pakistan with Hard work, integrity and acumen, the victim at an age of 37 had earned irreparable reputation for honesty and fair play in all his dealings, national as well as international.
2. NAB without making any good faith investigation or inquiry, which was obligatory on them, arrested Irfan, on December 15, 1999 from his office at Karachi, (On the Jan 16, 2000, the victim was forced to sign some per-dated documents, at Malir).
3. The arrest was not based on reasonable grounds. The victim was never informed of the grounds of his arrest. He was detained at Malir Cantonment for about seven weeks until February 12, 2000, then was shifted and kept at National Accountability Bureau (NAB) Police Station at M.P.A. Hostel Karachi. On February 27, 2000, he was shifted to Attock Fort where he was confined until March 11, 2000 and on which date he was shifted back to Karachi.
4. At Malir Cantonment, he was interrogated several times by the Joint Investigation Team, which included army personnel, and F.I.A. members of the Joint Investigation team searched and collected extensive records of the Companies in futile endeavor to find evidences of corrupt practices on the part of Irfan Puri. The thrust of inquiries and investigation related to foreign currency accounts and evasion of income tax. Irfan, maintained and explained that in view of the Tax Amnesty Scheme announced by the Chief Executive, General Pervaiz Musharaf, on December 15, 1998 and in view of the provisions contained in the protection of Economics Reforms Act 1992 there was no warrant or justification on the part of the Joint Investigation Team to investigate and inquire about his foreign currency accounts and income tax matters. In course of this investigation, it further appeared that Irfan, was detained due to a malicious complaint by one Mr. Mohammad Taufiq El Khattani motivated by enmity and greed for extracting money from his ex-employer, Saudi Pak LPG. Mr. Khattani was pressurizing him to use his business influence on Saudi Pak LPG to which he did not agree.
5. During his confinement at Malir Cantonment, he was kept in Solitary Confinement with effect from January 15, 2000 until he was shifted to the NAB police station situated at M.P.A. Hostel Karachi.
6. Due to extreme agony and distress caused by his detention, both mental and physical health of his wife was gravely affected and his wife suffered a miscarriage.
7. Time and Time again his wife Naveen Puri through her lawyers requested NAB through letters, fax etc to inform of the grounds of arrest and to allow clarification of any alleged Corruption of which he may have been accused. But NAB never informed the grounds and substance on the basis of which the he had been arrested. NAB had no valid ground for his arrest and detention.
8. On February 12, 2000 he was shifted to Nab Police Station at M.P.A. Hostel Karachi where he was kept in Solitary Confinement without any facilities. He was not allowed to meet anyone and was neither provided with proper food or medical facilities despite requests, which were of utmost importance as he is suffering from heart problem since his childhood. Here too he was extensively interrogated and was threatened that his family members would also be arrested if he would not agree with them.
9. ON February 27, 2000, Irfan was flown to Islamabad and was then taken to Attock Fort. There he was confined in a solitary cell, measuring about 4 feet x 7 feet with 18 feet high walls. There was a yellow zero watt bulb on top of an extensively high ceiling and a flat sheet steel door. Light was such that he could not even read the Quran. he went through a series of interrogations at all hours of the day and night. As a form of torture he was forced to keep his hands above his head for hours and was manhandled, pushed/thrown from one to another with a sack covering his head, was subjected to the worst verbal, physical, mental torture. He was threatened with dire consequences, including risk to his life and his family members. Sleep deprivation methods were used upon him. He would be taken out of the cell at odd hours and his head covered with a black sack/hood and a band tied over the hood around his eyes and army men holding him by his arms for interrogation purpose dragging him to another room where he would be interrogated for hours on end. Time and time again he would be asked what his family members were willing to pay to save his life. They would threaten him that if he would not pay up his family members would also be arrested and brought to Attock Fort, the family received phone calls at odd times, also in the middle of the nights and by FIA/NAB officials giving threats, and calling for family members to visit the NAB office/FIA center.
10. After spending 14 days in this death cell without seeing light, Irfan was allowed to meet his father and wife in light and in presence of army men, where his father told him that the NAB officials have been making phone call to Irfan’s father asking him to come over to the NAB offices, that was the final breaking point where Irfan asked his dad to hold it for two days and that Irfan will try is best to settle one way or the other with NAB… if only one could imagine what this meant to Irfan…
11. Since his unlawful arrest he underwent extreme mental torture leading to a complete nervous breakdown and deterioration in his childhood heart condition. He lost more than 12 kg in weight.
12. He finally broke down under threat intimidation and coercion and it was in such a state that he agreed to make payment of sum of Rs. Three Hundred Million to the NAB.
13. After his verbal agreement at Attock Fort to arrange for payment of Rs. 300,000,000/-, he was brought to Karachi on PIA flight from Islamabad in handcuffs on March 11, 2000. The Plaintiff saw sunlight for the first time since he was brought to Attock Fort when he was taken out of his cell without any cloth covering his eyes.
14. At NAB Police Station in Karachi he was threatened, pressurized coerced to agree in writing to the payment of Rs. 300 million, of which Rs. 100 million had to be paid in advance before his release. He was told, “there is no law just pay up”.
15. The FIA and other staff of NAB started visiting the offices and house of Irfan from day to day and harassing the staff members and hindering work, rather making it impossible to run a business. The offices were surrounded by FIA, NAB, Rangers` officials and military personals demanding the remaining payment and threatening dire consequences otherwise. The abuse stretched to a point where some senior office executives were made to strip naked by removal of all clothes hence torture and harassment to unparalleled height.
16. He was also coerced to hand over property documents as “security” for payment of the remaining amount of Rs. 200,000,000/- (Rupees two hundred million). Hence, had to hand over original property documents over to NAB of five (5) properties which actually have an aggregate value of Rs. 400,000,000/- (Rupees Four Hundred Million)..
17. Even after all this, NAB did not release him, but kept him under house arrest / unlawful detention until June 14, 2000.
18. Whilst Irfan, was under house arrest two dozen Rangers were stationed around the clock in and around the house.
19. Irfan, ultimately released from house arrest on June 14, 2000 after 3 months. Total captivity being six months, had several meetings with General Amjad, and suggestions made by Irfan, resulted in savings of over a billion rupees in Oil imports.
20. General Syed Amjad made many promises/ commitments in the name of justice that money extracted from Irfan Puri would be returned to him. General Amjad appreciated and understood that grave injustice had been done, both in private and in presence of various individuals.
21. Irfan, in frustration filed a number of court cases against NAB, FIA, etc, giving the ordeal of the experience gone through, as a result, bogus Income tax/Wealth Tax demands have been issued by the department on the behest of NAB officials visiting the department forcing tax officers to issue demands.
22. Irfan, then also had meetings with General Khalid Maqbool the new Chairman of NAB for justice but regrettably no action was taken.
23. However, on the 17th of May 2003, General Munir Hafiz (as NAB Chairman) visited Irfan`s house in Karachi to meet with his family, Said ``all you have seen of NAB is tha hard side, I want to show the family the softer side of NAB``, during the earlier meetings that Irfan had with General Hafiz, Irfan was told a number of times by General Hafiz that he would arrange for a face to face meeting with General Amjad, Himself (to witness) and Irfan, however, when Irfan asked General Hafiz, as to when the meeting would happen, General Hafiz said ``The meeting can`t take place, I would not want to embarass the General (General Amjad)``.
General Hafeez, on his visit was Kind, straight fowrard, and honest, however, he asked Irfan to withdraw legal prodeeding against NAB, and that NAB would make sure Irfan benefits in other areas, or else.... you can`t fight us.
23. He also sought an appointment with Chief Executive General Pervaiz Musharraf, without success.
Still goes on...
Irfan Iqbal Puri, tortured to extract money, officials driven by greed of reward and appreciation. Irfan was subjected to a total six months of illegal arrest including two months of a 24 hours a day solitary confinement, which also contains a 14 days period at The Attock Fort, in a 4ft x 7ft dark death cell, Irfan was not shown day light for the 14 days at The Attock Fort, was physically, mentally and verbally abused to the limit, perhaps treated as an Indian spy (They are Kept in these cells).
Irfan, was victimized for pure pleasure and greed,
1. A businessman of repute carrying on businesses among others as a member of the Karachi Stock Exchange, Oil Trading, Tank Farms for Oil Storage, Software development, Property Development, etc... Prior to his arrest on December 15, 1999, the victim carried out businesses in Pakistan with Hard work, integrity and acumen, the victim at an age of 37 had earned irreparable reputation for honesty and fair play in all his dealings, national as well as international.
2. NAB without making any good faith investigation or inquiry, which was obligatory on them, arrested Irfan, on December 15, 1999 from his office at Karachi, (On the Jan 16, 2000, the victim was forced to sign some per-dated documents, at Malir).
3. The arrest was not based on reasonable grounds. The victim was never informed of the grounds of his arrest. He was detained at Malir Cantonment for about seven weeks until February 12, 2000, then was shifted and kept at National Accountability Bureau (NAB) Police Station at M.P.A. Hostel Karachi. On February 27, 2000, he was shifted to Attock Fort where he was confined until March 11, 2000 and on which date he was shifted back to Karachi.
4. At Malir Cantonment, he was interrogated several times by the Joint Investigation Team, which included army personnel, and F.I.A. members of the Joint Investigation team searched and collected extensive records of the Companies in futile endeavor to find evidences of corrupt practices on the part of Irfan Puri. The thrust of inquiries and investigation related to foreign currency accounts and evasion of income tax. Irfan, maintained and explained that in view of the Tax Amnesty Scheme announced by the Chief Executive, General Pervaiz Musharaf, on December 15, 1998 and in view of the provisions contained in the protection of Economics Reforms Act 1992 there was no warrant or justification on the part of the Joint Investigation Team to investigate and inquire about his foreign currency accounts and income tax matters. In course of this investigation, it further appeared that Irfan, was detained due to a malicious complaint by one Mr. Mohammad Taufiq El Khattani motivated by enmity and greed for extracting money from his ex-employer, Saudi Pak LPG. Mr. Khattani was pressurizing him to use his business influence on Saudi Pak LPG to which he did not agree.
5. During his confinement at Malir Cantonment, he was kept in Solitary Confinement with effect from January 15, 2000 until he was shifted to the NAB police station situated at M.P.A. Hostel Karachi.
6. Due to extreme agony and distress caused by his detention, both mental and physical health of his wife was gravely affected and his wife suffered a miscarriage.
7. Time and Time again his wife Naveen Puri through her lawyers requested NAB through letters, fax etc to inform of the grounds of arrest and to allow clarification of any alleged Corruption of which he may have been accused. But NAB never informed the grounds and substance on the basis of which the he had been arrested. NAB had no valid ground for his arrest and detention.
8. On February 12, 2000 he was shifted to Nab Police Station at M.P.A. Hostel Karachi where he was kept in Solitary Confinement without any facilities. He was not allowed to meet anyone and was neither provided with proper food or medical facilities despite requests, which were of utmost importance as he is suffering from heart problem since his childhood. Here too he was extensively interrogated and was threatened that his family members would also be arrested if he would not agree with them.
9. ON February 27, 2000, Irfan was flown to Islamabad and was then taken to Attock Fort. There he was confined in a solitary cell, measuring about 4 feet x 7 feet with 18 feet high walls. There was a yellow zero watt bulb on top of an extensively high ceiling and a flat sheet steel door. Light was such that he could not even read the Quran. he went through a series of interrogations at all hours of the day and night. As a form of torture he was forced to keep his hands above his head for hours and was manhandled, pushed/thrown from one to another with a sack covering his head, was subjected to the worst verbal, physical, mental torture. He was threatened with dire consequences, including risk to his life and his family members. Sleep deprivation methods were used upon him. He would be taken out of the cell at odd hours and his head covered with a black sack/hood and a band tied over the hood around his eyes and army men holding him by his arms for interrogation purpose dragging him to another room where he would be interrogated for hours on end. Time and time again he would be asked what his family members were willing to pay to save his life. They would threaten him that if he would not pay up his family members would also be arrested and brought to Attock Fort, the family received phone calls at odd times, also in the middle of the nights and by FIA/NAB officials giving threats, and calling for family members to visit the NAB office/FIA center.
10. After spending 14 days in this death cell without seeing light, Irfan was allowed to meet his father and wife in light and in presence of army men, where his father told him that the NAB officials have been making phone call to Irfan’s father asking him to come over to the NAB offices, that was the final breaking point where Irfan asked his dad to hold it for two days and that Irfan will try is best to settle one way or the other with NAB… if only one could imagine what this meant to Irfan…
11. Since his unlawful arrest he underwent extreme mental torture leading to a complete nervous breakdown and deterioration in his childhood heart condition. He lost more than 12 kg in weight.
12. He finally broke down under threat intimidation and coercion and it was in such a state that he agreed to make payment of sum of Rs. Three Hundred Million to the NAB.
13. After his verbal agreement at Attock Fort to arrange for payment of Rs. 300,000,000/-, he was brought to Karachi on PIA flight from Islamabad in handcuffs on March 11, 2000. The Plaintiff saw sunlight for the first time since he was brought to Attock Fort when he was taken out of his cell without any cloth covering his eyes.
14. At NAB Police Station in Karachi he was threatened, pressurized coerced to agree in writing to the payment of Rs. 300 million, of which Rs. 100 million had to be paid in advance before his release. He was told, “there is no law just pay up”.
15. The FIA and other staff of NAB started visiting the offices and house of Irfan from day to day and harassing the staff members and hindering work, rather making it impossible to run a business. The offices were surrounded by FIA, NAB, Rangers` officials and military personals demanding the remaining payment and threatening dire consequences otherwise. The abuse stretched to a point where some senior office executives were made to strip naked by removal of all clothes hence torture and harassment to unparalleled height.
16. He was also coerced to hand over property documents as “security” for payment of the remaining amount of Rs. 200,000,000/- (Rupees two hundred million). Hence, had to hand over original property documents over to NAB of five (5) properties which actually have an aggregate value of Rs. 400,000,000/- (Rupees Four Hundred Million)..
17. Even after all this, NAB did not release him, but kept him under house arrest / unlawful detention until June 14, 2000.
18. Whilst Irfan, was under house arrest two dozen Rangers were stationed around the clock in and around the house.
19. Irfan, ultimately released from house arrest on June 14, 2000 after 3 months. Total captivity being six months, had several meetings with General Amjad, and suggestions made by Irfan, resulted in savings of over a billion rupees in Oil imports.
20. General Syed Amjad made many promises/ commitments in the name of justice that money extracted from Irfan Puri would be returned to him. General Amjad appreciated and understood that grave injustice had been done, both in private and in presence of various individuals.
21. Irfan, in frustration filed a number of court cases against NAB, FIA, etc, giving the ordeal of the experience gone through, as a result, bogus Income tax/Wealth Tax demands have been issued by the department on the behest of NAB officials visiting the department forcing tax officers to issue demands.
22. Irfan, then also had meetings with General Khalid Maqbool the new Chairman of NAB for justice but regrettably no action was taken.
23. However, on the 17th of May 2003, General Munir Hafiz (as NAB Chairman) visited Irfan`s house in Karachi to meet with his family, Said ``all you have seen of NAB is tha hard side, I want to show the family the softer side of NAB``, during the earlier meetings that Irfan had with General Hafiz, Irfan was told a number of times by General Hafiz that he would arrange for a face to face meeting with General Amjad, Himself (to witness) and Irfan, however, when Irfan asked General Hafiz, as to when the meeting would happen, General Hafiz said ``The meeting can`t take place, I would not want to embarass the General (General Amjad)``.
General Hafeez, on his visit was Kind, straight fowrard, and honest, however, he asked Irfan to withdraw legal prodeeding against NAB, and that NAB would make sure Irfan benefits in other areas, or else.... you can`t fight us.
23. He also sought an appointment with Chief Executive General Pervaiz Musharraf, without success.
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#136 Posted by harimau on October 31, 2002 10:55:14 pm
Ref ZafarA #133
[I have even heard that these potatos speak Kannada at home…no shame…]
So long as it is in the movie business, it wouldn`t matter. If Rajnikanth could get off a bus from Bangalore as a bus conductor and become THE Superstar of Tamil movies, Soysauce would be willing to accept the potato as a Tamil vegetable if it has even a non-speaking role in a Tamil movie.
[I have even heard that these potatos speak Kannada at home…no shame…]
So long as it is in the movie business, it wouldn`t matter. If Rajnikanth could get off a bus from Bangalore as a bus conductor and become THE Superstar of Tamil movies, Soysauce would be willing to accept the potato as a Tamil vegetable if it has even a non-speaking role in a Tamil movie.
#135 Posted by harimau on October 31, 2002 6:52:23 am
Ref Zero Credit #116
Hey, Abdul; here are a few other statistics you would want to present.
Number of people living in caves:
China - 27 million
India - A handful of Jain monks.
Protest against the Three Gorges Dam - Zero
Protest Against the Sardar Sarovar Project - Protests by Arundhati Roy, by the Narmada Bachao Andolan, Supreme Court rulings on height of the dam, etc.
Number of Nuclear tests:
China - 45
India -6
Hey, Abdul; here are a few other statistics you would want to present.
Number of people living in caves:
China - 27 million
India - A handful of Jain monks.
Protest against the Three Gorges Dam - Zero
Protest Against the Sardar Sarovar Project - Protests by Arundhati Roy, by the Narmada Bachao Andolan, Supreme Court rulings on height of the dam, etc.
Number of Nuclear tests:
China - 45
India -6
#134 Posted by harimau on October 31, 2002 6:52:23 am
Ref Zero Credit #116
Hey, Abdul; here are a few other statistics you would want to present.
Number of people living in caves:
China - 27 million
India - A handful of Jain monks.
Protest against the Three Gorges Dam - Zero
Protest Against the Sardar Sarovar Project - Protests by Arundhati Roy, by the Narmada Bachao Andolan, Supreme Court rulings on height of the dam, etc.
Number of Nuclear tests:
China - 45
India -6
Hey, Abdul; here are a few other statistics you would want to present.
Number of people living in caves:
China - 27 million
India - A handful of Jain monks.
Protest against the Three Gorges Dam - Zero
Protest Against the Sardar Sarovar Project - Protests by Arundhati Roy, by the Narmada Bachao Andolan, Supreme Court rulings on height of the dam, etc.
Number of Nuclear tests:
China - 45
India -6
#133 Posted by ZafarA on October 30, 2002 8:06:01 pm
Reply Harimau #125
“But then, one must inquire into the antecedents of the potato. It being a non-Tamil vegetable and having not made any attempt to learn Tamil since the several decades it has been cultivated in Tamil Nadu, it is highly questionable if it can be the True Tamilian`s favorite snack... “
I have even heard that these potatos speak Kannada at home…no shame…
“But then, one must inquire into the antecedents of the potato. It being a non-Tamil vegetable and having not made any attempt to learn Tamil since the several decades it has been cultivated in Tamil Nadu, it is highly questionable if it can be the True Tamilian`s favorite snack... “
I have even heard that these potatos speak Kannada at home…no shame…
#131 Posted by Urstruly on October 29, 2002 12:46:39 pm
Arjunm #130
Yes, I know at least the basics of law. When a case is contested successively in lower court and then in upper court, the verdict of upper court over-rides that of lower court`s. Which means that the verdict of lower court is annuled. As far as double jeopardy is concerned, I am not familiar with Dutch law. As far as application of double jeopardy in most EU country`s is concerned, Britian only last month has passed a legislation to apply DJ (I do not remember exactly whether the bill was passed last month or it was only presented then).
In case of Dr. Khan DJ may or may not apply. As Mr. S.M. Zafar (Dr. Khan`s chief defence attorney) relates in his book that his argument that case must be dismissed on technical basis because subpoena was not served appropriately caused a major embrassment not only for prosecution but Dutch government as well. Other than that the case against Mr. Khan was also very week since he did not do anything inapprpriate or out of order. Prosecution had only one documentary evidence against him, which was a letter he wrote to another friend of his, a Paksitani, also a nuclear physicist enquiring him about a technical question. Such correspondence is common place between colleagues and counterparts, especially those who are engaged in active research. Dutch government initiated this inquiry or case against Mr. Khan at the pressure of US government. But Dutch government did not have enough proof to successfully convict him. The verdict in lower court went against Mr. Khan because he was not present to defend himself. In such cases usually lower courts deliver verdicts based on prosecutions case. In order to save face, from this embarassment, in upper court, the defence lawyers and prosecution reached an agreement that case against Mr. Khan will be withdrawn and Dutch government will not pusue this matter any further. That was Mr. Khan`s main demand from his lawyers and Mr. S.M. Zafar did deliver.
#130 Posted by arjun_m on October 29, 2002 12:04:41 pm
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#129 Posted by Urstruly on October 29, 2002 10:18:24 am
Arjunm# 119
``Have you even read the complete post? It`s more a damning indictment than an ``exhonoration``..
Yes I have, and not only that I know how actually the court proceedings went through. Dr. Khan did not make Dutch law. He stood to whatever criteria was set by Dutch government to deliver the justice. Prosecution failed to make successful case against him - it is not Dr. Khan`s fault. Those times are gone when hunumans used to descend from heavens to swear for the chastity of people like Dr. Khan.
``Have you even read the complete post? It`s more a damning indictment than an ``exhonoration``..
Yes I have, and not only that I know how actually the court proceedings went through. Dr. Khan did not make Dutch law. He stood to whatever criteria was set by Dutch government to deliver the justice. Prosecution failed to make successful case against him - it is not Dr. Khan`s fault. Those times are gone when hunumans used to descend from heavens to swear for the chastity of people like Dr. Khan.
#128 Posted by harimau on October 29, 2002 7:05:15 am
Ref Urstruly #94
[Shankar
The answer to all your questions/proposals is very simple. The local baker does not live and work in a vacuum. What is he to do when his wife starts asking for a soap made by MNCs or imported ones to take a bath; what about his son who now wants a Rs. 35 can of Pepsi and wont drink local made Rs. 12 Pepsi;..]
Whoa; hold on jes a minnit, will ya?
Have you tried the Diet Coke made and sold in India? The taste and aftertaste are exactly like what one gets after raeding one of your rants.
I once got a can of Diet Coke on a United flight that tasted baaaad. I read the printing on the can and found that it was made in Thailand.
So, don`t blame the baker`s son if he wants The Real Thing. (Does anybody even remember that jingle?)
[Shankar
The answer to all your questions/proposals is very simple. The local baker does not live and work in a vacuum. What is he to do when his wife starts asking for a soap made by MNCs or imported ones to take a bath; what about his son who now wants a Rs. 35 can of Pepsi and wont drink local made Rs. 12 Pepsi;..]
Whoa; hold on jes a minnit, will ya?
Have you tried the Diet Coke made and sold in India? The taste and aftertaste are exactly like what one gets after raeding one of your rants.
I once got a can of Diet Coke on a United flight that tasted baaaad. I read the printing on the can and found that it was made in Thailand.
So, don`t blame the baker`s son if he wants The Real Thing. (Does anybody even remember that jingle?)
#127 Posted by harimau on October 29, 2002 7:05:15 am
Ref AAmir #103 by AAmir
[When Hindu Bhabha & Abul Kalam read european Oppppenheimer they become Bomb Fatther...]
Oppenheimer - American. Jewish, if you want to rave about the Zionist/Jewish conspiracy against the Muslims.
Also, a godless Commie whose security clearance was revoked and who was never allowed to work on any bomb projects.
[.... & when i master Nuclear physics gadha i am stealing DUNCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
When YOU master Nuclear Physics, we will all be given 72 houris right here on Planet Earth.
[When Hindu Bhabha & Abul Kalam read european Oppppenheimer they become Bomb Fatther...]
Oppenheimer - American. Jewish, if you want to rave about the Zionist/Jewish conspiracy against the Muslims.
Also, a godless Commie whose security clearance was revoked and who was never allowed to work on any bomb projects.
[.... & when i master Nuclear physics gadha i am stealing DUNCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]
When YOU master Nuclear Physics, we will all be given 72 houris right here on Planet Earth.
#126 Posted by harimau on October 29, 2002 7:05:14 am
Ref AmericanExpress #115
[Qadir Khan is a greater Heroe than Douglas Mcarthur (who by victims of ww2 in far east )& less PIRATE than Mount Batten who who used everything in his line of duty of sevice to the Queen even his WIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ]
So! Go pimp your wife in the service of Pakistan.
[Qadir Khan is a greater Heroe than Douglas Mcarthur (who by victims of ww2 in far east )& less PIRATE than Mount Batten who who used everything in his line of duty of sevice to the Queen even his WIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ]
So! Go pimp your wife in the service of Pakistan.
#125 Posted by harimau on October 29, 2002 7:05:14 am
Ref AmericanExpress #116
You missed out on one thing:
Number of free elections held since Independence.
But then you guys believe in the divinely appointed Caliphs.
You missed out on one thing:
Number of free elections held since Independence.
But then you guys believe in the divinely appointed Caliphs.
#124 Posted by arjun_m on October 29, 2002 7:05:14 am
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#123 Posted by harimau on October 29, 2002 7:05:14 am
Ref ZafarA #121
[Reply RLeonard #107
`` By flavoring potato chips in sambar you wold probably target only the high-born Brahmins who are not Dravids,``
What? Only Brahmins eat sambar? What about rasam?]
You need to have potato chips with karuvattu-kuzhambu flavor if you want to target the Sangilikkaruppans.
[``...if you need to target the Dravid sgement you would have to package it as `` Sweet Tamil Renaissance`` potato chips``
Excellent name suggestion, but what does the Sweet Tamil Renaissance Lajawab Portato Chip actually taste of???]
Nope. It must be called ``Iniya (Sweet) Tamil Marumalarchchi (Renaissance) Urulai Kizhangu Varuval``. We don`t know what the right flavor must be. If it was named Tamil/Dravida Munnetra Urulai Kizhangu Varuval (Potato Chips - Urulai Kizhangu Varuval), it must have the flavor of rice gruel. If it is named Anna Dravida Munnetra Urulai Kizhangu Varuval, it must have the flavor of Egg Biriyani. This is based on the fact (I am NOT making this up) that starving weavers in Tamil Nadu were supplied with rice gruel by Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam and with Egg Biriyani by Anna Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam. The Tamil Marumalarchchi Kazhagam (yes, it actually exists!) has not as yet gotten into the food service business and thus the dilemma about what the flavor should be for Iniya Tamil Marumalarchchi Urulai Kizhangu Varuval.
But then, one must inquire into the antecedents of the potato. It being a non-Tamil vegetable and having not made any attempt to learn Tamil since the several decades it has been cultivated in Tamil Nadu, it is highly questionable if it can be the True Tamilian`s favorite snack... unless of course it is named Father Big Man/Lord Elder Brother/Doctor Artist Leader Fund of Compassion Potato Chips, in which case Soy Sauce would buy the entire annual output of the factory and feel happy about supporting a True Tamil Vegetable..... er, he ALREADY supports several TRUE Tamil Vegetables such as Father Big Man, Lord Elder Brother, Doctor Artist Leader Fund of Compassion, MK Stalin, etc.
[Reply RLeonard #107
`` By flavoring potato chips in sambar you wold probably target only the high-born Brahmins who are not Dravids,``
What? Only Brahmins eat sambar? What about rasam?]
You need to have potato chips with karuvattu-kuzhambu flavor if you want to target the Sangilikkaruppans.
[``...if you need to target the Dravid sgement you would have to package it as `` Sweet Tamil Renaissance`` potato chips``
Excellent name suggestion, but what does the Sweet Tamil Renaissance Lajawab Portato Chip actually taste of???]
Nope. It must be called ``Iniya (Sweet) Tamil Marumalarchchi (Renaissance) Urulai Kizhangu Varuval``. We don`t know what the right flavor must be. If it was named Tamil/Dravida Munnetra Urulai Kizhangu Varuval (Potato Chips - Urulai Kizhangu Varuval), it must have the flavor of rice gruel. If it is named Anna Dravida Munnetra Urulai Kizhangu Varuval, it must have the flavor of Egg Biriyani. This is based on the fact (I am NOT making this up) that starving weavers in Tamil Nadu were supplied with rice gruel by Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam and with Egg Biriyani by Anna Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam. The Tamil Marumalarchchi Kazhagam (yes, it actually exists!) has not as yet gotten into the food service business and thus the dilemma about what the flavor should be for Iniya Tamil Marumalarchchi Urulai Kizhangu Varuval.
But then, one must inquire into the antecedents of the potato. It being a non-Tamil vegetable and having not made any attempt to learn Tamil since the several decades it has been cultivated in Tamil Nadu, it is highly questionable if it can be the True Tamilian`s favorite snack... unless of course it is named Father Big Man/Lord Elder Brother/Doctor Artist Leader Fund of Compassion Potato Chips, in which case Soy Sauce would buy the entire annual output of the factory and feel happy about supporting a True Tamil Vegetable..... er, he ALREADY supports several TRUE Tamil Vegetables such as Father Big Man, Lord Elder Brother, Doctor Artist Leader Fund of Compassion, MK Stalin, etc.
#122 Posted by harimau on October 29, 2002 7:05:14 am
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You forgot to mention one more statistic:
Number of people who starved to death because of Mao`s collectivization:
China - 30 million
India - ?
You forgot to mention one more statistic:
Number of people who starved to death because of Mao`s collectivization:
China - 30 million
India - ?
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