Why I Am Not A Muslim?

Some six centuries ago, my ancestors were castrated and some two centuris ago, they started taking pride in castrated beings by the will of god. After reading umpteen times the manual for perfect anaesthesia for post-castration living, I stumbled upon a piece of paper with one short paragraph titled, `Noble Eight-fold Path` and all the scars and symptoms of castration of centuries disappeared.
Eunuchs do not read or shake head forward and backward while reading myhtical story of 12 brothers or Yusuf-Zulaikha love affair. They read whatever, whenever and wherever they wish to read.
The defeated ones have not only to face more defeats but prepare their children to face defeat after defeat unless by a holy magic whole world except defeated ones disappears. Here is a short list of civilizations who might be defeating defeated ones in the future: after USA, Canada, EU, Russia, China, India, Brazil, Japan, Veitnam, Australia, Pitcairn Islands, Galapagos Islands.........

No doubt that AA writes well but that doesn`t mean these ideas amount to anything. What is he comparing the victories in battles or the philosophies and ideas. The Eunuch`s were always the subordinates (the defeated) according to his own definition- we are discussing ideas here so don`t get personal- but then he presents a few cases of Muslim defeat in the battlefield and gives up Islam for Eunuch-ism. Total incoherence, seems like there is an ulterior motive lurking behind this fine sting of words, on why he gave up Islam, that he doesnt want to share with us. Why this deception?

Excellent Article! I would love to see more people talk openly like this.

Ref m_souza #27

[No, tomatosauce..i mean soysauce...]

Please call him karuvattu-kuzhambu (dried-fish curry). That is more likely his food than soysauce. All this business of calling himself soysauce is so that he can sound cosmopolitan. This Fakhr in all likelihood is a product of generations of first-cousin marriages who is desperately trying to suck up to Islamist thugs to whitewash his sins of commission against Dalits.

This business of inventing a nobler lineage goes back a long time. Much like some Englishmen try to call themselves Normans because the frikkin Angles and Saxons lost their country to the Normans of France or like Pakistanis who claim direct descent from either Genghiz Khan or Taimur Leng if not from Prophet Muhammad Himself (I am only surprised that they do not claim direct descent from Allah!).

In Tamil country, the barbarians who used to populate the land decided that it was necessary to adduce noble lineage to those associated with their language and its growth. Thus, the sage Agastya is supposed to have crossed the Vindhya range, settled in Tamil country and created the Tamil language. Tolkappiar, the man who wrote one of the early grammars for Tamil called Tolkappiam, was declared to be a Brahmin. When the Tamil Brahmin Association decided to publish a book recently on the service to Tamil language by Brahmins, they listed Tolkappiar as a Brahmin. The Doctor Artist Leader strenuously protested by saying that Tolkappiar was referred to as a Brahmin for his qualities and not his birth forgetting that by this statement he condemned the rest of the Tamilians at that time to ill-mannered lout-hood. For all you know, Soysauce aka karuvattu-kuzhambu is seeking some way of getting his own caste upgraded to Chinese by the reference to the Chinese condiment!

By the way, I am trying to find out if by now Doctor Artist Leader has decided that Agastya was not a Brahmin! Of course with the fact that he is a barber by caste is thoroughly known throughout Tamil Nadu, Doctor Artist Leader will probably call Agastya, Tolkappiar, etc., barbers. Soysauce will then have to change his caste from Kallar (professional thieves) to barber!

Ref Sangilikkaruppan #34

[This is a gem of an article and i don`t wish to sidetrack discussions of it. Therefore this will be my last post in response to you.]

What? Running away with your tail tucked between your legs AGAIN?

[It was not pakistanis (who you say have been provoking indians) who were attacked in gujarat. It was indians and gujaratis who happened to be muslim who were murdered and maimed.]

And I suppose the Gujarati Hindus all of a sudden decided to go on a rampage and kill Muslims with NO PROVOCATION WHATSOEVER.

Obviously, you flunked history in school if you can`t remember what happened at Godhra 2 days before the attack on Muslims.

And in Feb and March 2002, I suppose not one Hindu died.

[Are you claiming that gujarati muslims as a group taunted hindus...]

Are you claiming some of them didn`t? That it didn`t go beyond mere taunting?

Have you stopped posting because you think this much bending over for the Islamist thugs is sufficient for you to be in their good books? Not so! Try sending your sister over to get raped. That would actually be better.... also, you will need to get circumcised. And repeat what the mullah says.

A very well written article... just convulted enough to force you to concentrate, but not enough to lose you.
This is not the first time I have heard the theory of choosing an identity based on what is greatest in todays` world, but what if you just can`t shake your belief in God and Quran and the conviction that it is most in your self interest to follow the rules that will get you to Heaven? How do you choose to make yourself disbelieve and get some rational decision to overcome the feelings of your heart?

Aamir Afraid menttion that muslims are ``a group of people who, for at least seven centuries, had only been excelling at losing.``

This emotional statement is factually and historically incorrect.

ottoman empire reached its zentih at the end of 17th century and then it was followed by period of decline till the empire formally ended around 1920.

similarly mughal empire in india reached its zenith at the end of 17th century under Auranzeb. following Auranzeb`s death (1707) decline of mughal emprire started.

Going by these facts decline of muslim empires started around the end of sixteenth century. Hence `` losing for atleast seven centuries`` is
not a correct statement.

However this is just history, it appears Aamir`s religious beliefs are driven by history.

To my understanding, religion is a personal matter and one accepts a religion because it gives him/her peace of mind. Religion is not history.

One of the defeated? But what does that have to do with being a Muslim and with with on`s genetals? But to the essence of your artical, Mr. Aghajari`s recent speech calling for Eslah e Islami should give you hope, defeat ought to be learning experiences, cathartic, and this and these defeats are no different. Some ideas deserve to be defeated, even if they masquearade as ``Islamic``

m_souza do you really believe what you are saying? essentially your argument is this: Because a gun manufacturer made guns, the responsibility for this murder lies with the company. The guy who pulled the trigger is not to blame.

You may not have realized it but the part about the eunuchs going to india was probably (Actually almost definately) sarcasm. It was a sarcastic look at the views of the common populace and was in no way condoning anything. If at all .. it was making fun of the Pakistani view on new and traditionally unacceptable views.

And oh .. eunuchs are not the same as transvestites. And they are not hijras either. Eunuchs are well .. they are just eunuchs (I believe the urdu expression is Khawaja Sira). And eunuchs are not gays, and not lesbians (definately not lesbians).

m_souza: My god iz this a joke? You have the audacity to spout stupidity in its most disgusting forms (nationalism and religious chauvanism) and then blame me for callin u stupid?? Newsflash: Your reasoning is a reflection of the divisiveness created by Desi ruling classes. Your reasoning is beyond stupidity.

You`re blind. You side with India and Hinduism cuz thats what u were born into. Thats the essense of your reasoning. Everything u read and post defends ideologies u were given based on where and when u were born. You show NO signs of contemplation whatsoever.

All u read out of what i wrote were the so called ``abuses`` and then acted like i discussed no ideas. PLEASE boy. And im supposed to agree with you on the strength of some internet personalities who have similar views? man it doesnt matter if everyone here agrees with you, MESSAGE not the messenger.

If you`re sharp you will already have noticed how this blows apart your SIMPLISTIC black and white opinion of the universe. Im a paki/muslim vegetarian who meditates an hour a day and engaged to a Brahmin. True reality doesnt support your subjective mental discriminations. Read the Gita and wake the hell up.

drumz..
if u read all my posts, at least there is a discussion in a cool manner without abusing..this is a forum where people have a right to post their veiws..
and you? you are incapable of any discussion..u are outrightly abusive, rude and full of foul language..

#31 by DRUMZ on December 24, 2002 4:47pm PT
``WOW, its like the stupidity has spread.........

This is Textbook: m_souza has such a small opinion of himself that the only way he can make himself feel good is to live in the glory of people born hundreds of years before him and who have nothing to do with his lil azz life.

Jesus the way this fool trivializes everything by making abstract concepts so homogenious, like hes the fukkin spokesman for hinduism. ``

#39 by DRUMZ on December 25, 2002 4:17pm PT
``These silly stereotypes. What does vegetarianism have to do with being weak?``

you can`t express your veiws without using words like `silly`, `lil azz` `stupidity` `this fool`

I am least annoyed by what you have written about me, but obviously ...from you language it seems....you are going crazy..man

drumz...no use if you go on beating unnecessariy if you have just abuses to hurl...and no valid discussion..
Go to the post ``Creation of Hindu Madrassas`` by Rashid..
and read all the post by Layman, sadna etc...
They also say the same things as me..

By shouting aggressively and ignoring the facts of history or today you cna`t solve any problems. Face the truth ..man

Nasah:

``my God -- what is wrong with that godforsaken subcontinent -- don`t these creeps have anything better to do ... ``

Hey man, at least we are better off than Rwana and Burundi :)

On a more serious note, the subcontinent is not better and no worse than other third world countries with declining institutions.

#47
Re rcent christian worshippers attack, telegraph india(based in calcutta) reported that the incident happened 5 miles from Bangladesh border
and the reports quoted worshippers saying the intruders came from bangladesh and made off with Rs 3+ crore money. the question, that was posed in the article was how come the church was holding that kind of cash in a vault near the church instead of a bank. the report said that
the attack seems tohave been well planned.

msouza: U must be insane. When did i say I follow muhammed or islam blindly? I dont give 2 sh1ts what Islam has done, that doesnt have anything to do with me. This is not about respecting someones culture, its about fools who simply discuss personalities and events. You speak of great Hindu achievements like u have a bigger claim to them then i do. What have U done to carry the torch.

Boy u come off so damn ignorant talking about how Hindus are eating meat to get stronger, LOL. Read the Mahabharata, read about asoka, Indians have had some of the greatest armies and warriors ever assembled. COURAGE has little to do with whether or not one eats meat. Im not sure if ur a vegey, but after i gave up meat, i noticed NO BMI change.

Every time i come back here u nuts carry on the same discussion. Who gives a sh1t what India has done??? What have U done? Why do u want credit for accomplishments simply because those who have done them are from the same political divide as u are?

And for god sakes please stop explaining what happened in gujrat. Your analysis is damn passed laffable. Your way of looking at the world is straight outta a colouring book. Good vs evil, india vs pakistan, muslim vs hindu. Grow up.

these pathetic creatures of Muslim and Hindu extremism seem to at least agree on one issue --

NOW it is time to attack the Christian church and kill Christian children --

my God -- what is wrong with that godforsaken subcontinent -- don`t these creeps have anything better to do ...