Living Through War

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You Muslims have no ability to use logic. So I don`t blame you.

re. studebaker #17:
Good point made!

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,927849,00.html

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aquaris

It was an inside job, carried out by Robert Fisk. He crashed the plane full of people, killed them all, flew back on Muhammad`s horse. Nobody saw him except Osama. Bush wants to kill Osama because Osama is going to tell that story to everyone.

its amazing WE know what it HAPPENING to us.. and yet how paralysed we are incapable of doing anything about it...

its my firm believe 911 was an inside job. a well thought out carefully planned INSIDE job no country in the world with the possible exception of Israel is capable of doing such a sophisticaed and precise operation.
the following events have only confirmed my believes...
Well get prepared PAKISTAN IS NEXT maybe after Syria and Iran.
We have a history or USA`s betrayal to Pakistan. no matter how some of our MORE Americans then Pakistani friends defend USA with its policy limitation blah blah blah...
USA has already warned and accused pakistan of supporting North Korean Neuclear Program ....which is enough pretext for UNCLE sam to ga back on his WORDs again.
so the question is What are we going to do about it..?

I am not alarmist...... but this is a stark reality. !!

Why Most Muslims Support Saddam?

Syed Kamran Mirza

It is almost a mystery how people’s sentiment works. Especially, I do not quite fathom how and why almost 99.9999% Muslims today wholeheartedly support Iraqi president Saddam Hossain. Widespread war protests have erupted throughout the Muslim world on daily basis. Is it for the sake of peace, or is it because they are saddened by the loss of human lives in war? Is it because they are exercising their ardent force of humanity, or is it because they are simply motivated by Islamo-mania? Which one is correct? Let me examine this case in point:

Who is Saddam Hossain?

Saddam Hossain is known as the most brutal, despotic tyrannical dictator of the century. There is no match or no parallel for him if we compare all the qualities of Saddam Hossain with any other despotic dictor. This diabolic dictator killed over two millions Muslims (Sunni, Shiites and Kurdish together) during his 24 years of despotic rule. He gassed tens of thousands of his own peoples (Kurdish muslims), killed/assassinated hundreds of thousands of his own muslim brothers, tortured/maimed/imprisoned tens of thousands of his own people. He even killed or imprisoned many of his own relatives. And he drove 500,000 thousands of his own citizens out of the country. Just other day a CNN reporter was interviewing one such Iraqi dissident (can not remember name, but he was a high level officer under Saddam’s Govt.). Reporter asked him if he was worried about many co-lateral damage/killings of civilian in Iraq during US intense bombing (daisy cutters). This Iraqi replied: “Saddam annihilated more than 2 millions Iraqi citizen (All Muslims) during his 23 years of dictatorial rule. Why should I be worried for a few thousands of collateral loss of lives to free Iraqi people from the cruel hands of Saddam?”

He plundered oil-wealth of Iraq only to become one of the richest man (Owned $7 Billions fortune in foreign banks) on earth, built more than 45 luxurious Kingly Palaces leaving 60% of his own citizen unfed or poorly fed. He gathered most of the lethal weapons of mass destruction and he poisoned his own people in a thousands. Invaded and occupied his Muslim brotherly country Kuwait and fought a terrible war lasting more than eight years with his Muslim neighbor Iran killing millions of Muslims. Yet Muslims got to support Saddam Hossain.

Why? Simply because Saddam is a born Muslim and his country is a Muslim populated country. It really does not matter that Saddam is a devilish human being, does not matter Saddam never helped any Muslim or non-Muslim country with humanitarian aid (By the way, America and Britain are the greatest champions of humanitarian help throughout the whole world irrespective religion, race or creed), but it is most important religious duty for every Muslim to support another Muslim. It is the most holy teaching of Islam to support and love fellow Muslim and it is the rule of thumb in Islamic doctrine. THIS IS KNOWN AS ARDENT DUTY OF IALAMIC UMMA. I call it “umma-bazi”, or syndrome of Islamic Brotherhood. The ethics and equal justice applies only for fellow Muslims and not for non-Muslims or any infidels.

Interestingly, Muslims of course can fight another Muslims and in that case, Muslims can choose their respective friends whom to support, but when comes the conflict between a Muslim vs. non-Muslim—every Muslim should blindly support Muslim only. This is the ardent duty of Islamic Ummabazi (Islamic Brotherhood). Remember first Gulp war in 1991? Saudi Clerics were protesting the involvement of America and other western infidels to rescue Kuwaiti Muslims with pure Quranic fatwas. They did not like that an infidel country do the job of removing Iraqi occupation of another Muslim country. Also please try to refresh your memory and recapitulate what happened during our liberation war in 1971. Entire Muslim world blindly and ardently supported Pakistan marauding soldiers to kill and rape Bangalee infidels (Hindus) and not so good Bangalee Muslims. Even our own Bengali Mullahs/Maulanas/Madrasha students (Razakars and Al-Badars) and pukka (pure) Muslims did support Pakistani invaders and fought in favor of Pakistan only to save Islam, read Pakistan.

You should not be surprised for that at all! Because to all Arab Muslims Bangalees were not good Muslims at all. But I can bet million dollars that if, ‘71 war of liberation was between Bangalees and Indian government—entire Muslim world would have definitely supported Bangalees in their struggle. Does this make it crystal-clear why today entire Muslim populated world including Bangladesh support Saddam’s regime today?

Here is a historical account/incident to support my claim:

A SHORT HISTORY OF THE REVIVALIST MOVEMENT IN ISLAM - Abul A`la Maududi,page 65, footnote:- ``THE MORAL CONDITION OF THE RELIGIOUS LEADERS OF THOSE DAYS CAN BE GAUGED FRFOM THE FACT THAT, WHEN HALAKU KHAN ASKED FOR THEIR VERDICT AS TO WHO WAS SUPERIOR BETWEEN AN UN-BELIEVING JUST KING AND A BELIEVING UN-JUST RULER,THEY PRONOUNCED UNHESITATINGLY IN FAVOR OF THE FORMER``.

Abul Ala Maududi was furious at this unIslamic opinion of those Islamic scholars. Maududi actually wanted to hear that Muslims did say that ‘believing Muslim but unjust king was the superior to the un-believing just king’. Because, in Islam a Muslim is always superior to any non-muslim/infidels. In the above historical quote what we have learned is that, non-Muslim ruler can never be the best ruler than a despotic Muslim ruler. Besides this above historical account, there are many sahi hadiths and Quranic dictum which suggest the Islamic principal of supporting Muslim only if the conflict is with non-Muslim. Remember mother Teresa—an angelic woman? She will not go to heaven and no Muslim should praise her for her extra-ordinary humanity either, because she was not a Muslim. That was what we heard from most erudite Islamists.

Do you know this? If the Iraq was not a Muslim country, or tomorrow world hears that Saddam and his countrymen have converted to other religion (Christian, Hindu or Buddhism) all the people of Muslim world will be totally silent and will go with their normal business. Or, if this war of America-Brit was against North Korean despotic communist ruler, no Muslim country would ever demonstrate any street show like the one we are encountering today. I can bet my bottom dollars on this assertion of mine. Don’t believe me? Here are some tips for you: Just 3-4 years ago NATO-Pact countries viciously attacked Serbian Yugoslavian nation of Dictator Slobodan Miloslave (another despotic leader) only to save a endangered Muslim-European nation Bosnia. Entire Muslim world was deadly silent; rather Muslims were happy that Christian nations were whipping another Christian nation (to save a Muslim nation) with relentless bombings and untold destructions. No, I have not heard any Muslim to tell that they were so sorry that NATO bombings are killing innocent women and children in a Catholic nation of Europe! Picture among the Muslim countries would have been quite different if Miloslave was a Muslim ruler like Saddam. We have not seen any such sympathy-demonstration after the dastardly incident of 9/11 in any Muslim country. Rather we have seen many joyous cheerful dances in the Arab streets for the success of al-Qaeda Islamic terrorists.



War for oil: (?)

Most frequent claims by Muslims are: (1) America attacked Iraq to grab Iraqi oil; (2) this war is against Islam, (3) America and the west want to destroy Islam. When Afghanistan was attacked—they told us that American infidels want to destroy Islam in Afghanistan and want to convert Afghan people to Christianity. Other day one friend of mine was telling me that—America will destroy Islam in Iraq and they will convert entire Iraqi people into Christianity. Some even claim that America will occupy entire Arab to grab their oil and to destroy Islam. Remember first Gulf war in 1991? During first Gulf war to liberate Kuwait, many Muslims erudite told us that America is going to occupy Arab oils (with this excuse of ‘Kuwaiti liberation war’) and to destroy Islam.

Fact of the matter is, Afghan was liberated from those mad Taliban’s and Islam still exists in Afghanistan. Afghan peoples are much happier than before. Islam still remains and flourishing in Arab peninsula and America did not occupy Arab oils. So what? Muslims will still cry for Saddam and cry for Islam. Surprisingly, Christian west never cry for any Christian, they never cry by saying “Christianity is in danger or Christianity will be destroyed”. In fact west never bring their religious identity at the fore for any matter. They never go to the street when an innocent Christian-born human being is slaughtered by Muslims, or a Christian Church is bombed by Islamic terrorists in Pakistan. Do you know what? To day all over the world pure Muslims are declaring Islamic Jihad against the infidel west. I wonder where are those big-mouth Islamists who were telling us “Jihad means peaceful struggle” ? Where they now who were telling us that in Islam suicide are is not permitted? Only Allah (SBT) knows when Muslim will be human again and tell us the truth about real Islam!

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Since 9/11, people have changed their entire perspective about islam and other muslim countries.Pakistan being one of them, since it has been in the media somuch. Its been hard on us Pakistanis .Esp those people who are living else where other then Pakistan itself. I have been a student in Us for the past 2 yrs. Came here a month or so prior to Sep 11. I have seen the changing attitudes of my colleages. I remmember the day right after 9/11,as I walked into my sociology class and I could literally feel alot of eyes upon me.
And Just yesterday, in my Religion class, my professor was teaching us about islam and he told the class that islam teaches one to love others. And an American girl in my class said and so thats why they kill ppl in the name of religion. I told her to look back a little at the Crusades, what was that abt?, it was done in the name of Christainity. Every religion in this world teaches one to love others, then why did the Crusades happen?. She could find no answer to that. Concluding my point, I told her that you cannot just base a generalization about the religion as a whole, if some people did something that our religion prohibits. I have tried alot of times to keep quiet about it, but sometimes they have to be told..........

Excellent and painful. You are a Pakistani Muslim but all Pakistan and Islam need not rest on your shoulders; take it easy on yourself. Pakistan and Muslims are many things, some positive, some entirely negative, and you need not defend any of these as if you constructed them.

``When my neighbor asked what I felt, I said something like I wanted to cry but crying wasn’t coming``. Admire the strong emotion in that sentence and the use of the crying-isn`t-coming theme in the entire article..very poignant.
Its true we are slowly becoming immune to these gruesome images because we actually see them now..
I am also very defensive and protective when it comes to Pakistan but I don`t feel responsible for the deeds of others. I am as much a member of ( the Canadian) society as the next person. wy should i be treated any different because of my nationality? Not everyone thinks Pakistan is all about extremists and for those who do, well, you can`t blame them but you can try and remedy some of their misunderstandings.
#6.huh? dare i ask how this became an india-pakistan issue?

My 2 cents to each of the questions of nazarhayatkhan @ # 4:

``To be honest, we have an identity crisis to begin with. Are we South Asians or descendants of the Arabs or our origins are in Central Asia. ``

We belong where our family lines take us to. We are South Asians, Arabs, Central Asians and others. The confusion is on this interactive board. Pakistan is a non-homegenous group of people. We have our own ethnic diversity.

``Are we suppose to be a secular liberal democracy or some kind of a theological state?``

This is a debate that will eventually become our political divide into right and left. I see a liberal democratic party (yes I am suggesting that parties like PPP and PML n will cease to exist) always pitted against Islamic front.

``Why the democratic traditions have failed to take root?``

Because of Army.

``Why the Army does not let the civil society to its own? ``

The civil society itself keeps inviting army to rule so that the ruling party could be removed. Imran Khan disclosed that during a session of ARD when the news came of Army`s coup against BB`s Government, Nasrullah Khan ordered sweets to be distributed among those present.

``Why the violent religious fringe keeps returning back with a constant regularity? ``

Because of lack of democracy. Since Islamists have their Government in the NWFP and Balochistan one would now witness decreasing extremism and religious violence. Whatever violence would be there it would be terrorism like killing of Shias in a mosque in Karachi, having nothing to do with religion.

A noble gesture



This refers to the letter by Arif Humanyun (March 3) in response to Narayana Hrudayalaya`s offer of free heart surgery to Pakistani public.

Being an Indian now settled in Canada I am a regular reader of Dawn. I was very happy to see such a letter in your paper about my country.

There are many charitable institutions in India like Narayana Hrudayalaya, Shankara Netralaya (Eye Clinic)and Satya Sai Hospital, most of them run by religious charities and offer free medical services to public irrespective of their faiths and geographical backgrounds. The facilities and treatment at these medical centres are at par with any good hospitals found in developed countries and are mostly funded by non-resident Indians abroad.

I hope the gestures shown by these medical centres which serve the needs of the poor people will change hearts on both sides of the border to have a friendly relationship.

United, both India and Pakistan can concentrate on education, health and economy rather than spending their valuable resources and time on defence.

India with its superior educational institutions like IITs, IISc, IIMs, RECs, medical institutes, software training institutes and research institutions can help Pakistan in the field of education also. This facility is offered to most Middle East countries, such as Iran, whose students come to India for study.

RANGA M. IYENGAR

Toronto, Canada

///above is from dawn of today. It is again the pompous indian publicising their great humanity, how they are trying to make a human bridge to the much hated pakistan. What is forgotten is the contribution of pakistanis, how they are also making genuine bridges of friendship to the indian.
Last week they cut off the noses of several indians to further the studies on nose transplants, the genetic compatibility of hindu noses on muslim faces.
There is a shortage of human organs for transplantation in indian and every where. There are reports of poor indians selling their kidneys and lungs and what not for money. To laleviate this pak jihadists have killed 24 pundits in kashmir, and it is the failure of the indian govt, the sheer hindu incompetence that lead to the watse of such good human organs, that too pur organicall grown, vegetarian stuff. It is time that pakistanis get their contributions recognised.

Ras,

We shouldn`t feel that. I agree, yet my protectiveness about Pakistan is really hard to sustain in Ameria.

Aisha

``When I speak I hear my own fear tremble in expectation that I will be recognized as a Pakistani Muslim. This clashes with my country’s pride. Pride that I’ve built brick by brick all alone in an anti-Pakistani environment.``

I think you`ve hit at something very important here. I`d like to ask some questions:

(1) What is this pride based on?
(2) How true can it be if all the benefit it has conferred, in the face of adversity, is a sense of paranoia at being recognised or found out?
(3) When you say Pakistani Muslim, what comes first? Pakistani or Muslim?

Aamir