Timothy McVeigh & …

I dunno Asim. Kamala is interesting. That`s something. But how does Kamala do this? Hit the keyboard randomly? Close her eyes and stick her finger on the pages of a dictionary? `What meks Kamala go` is an article in itself. And for thos who come in late, this is the complete list of Kamala`s interacts. Enjoy. http://www.chowk.com/show_user_replies.cgi?membername=kamala&start=0&end=9&page=1&chapter=1

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#2 On the Assertion of Rights on May 11, 2003
re:“No freemen shall be taken or imprisoned or disseised or exiled . . . except by the lawful judgment of his peers or by the law of the land” –

Bush-blair has done to some people who is giving shahada.

while

chief rabbi last night said in one tv, `expected jewish mesih with son is live and well and is in exile and will soon return `

I am convinced rule of christ and antichrist mehdi djjal applies.



if pak is backward , pak should recruit local talent muslims redevelop pak . Pak is a nuclear power . improve image


It is the most advanced most developed most rich - who have
been totally ruined and destroyed.


bush blair knowingly trying
to wrap up islam


#3 Mutant Muslims on May 11, 2003
mutant muslims proves what I wrote .

I saw in calcutta alien human made barakufo day time from close proximity virtually near me standstill for 1/2 hr when it went, it had 1000 times speed of capecnvl rocket going to moon .Nr by i saw shook hand genuinely with a few more in life time as a boy in crowd in person emperor haillelselassie,bulganin khruschev Queen elizbeth ii and nehru .

later mutant muslim episode began in 1963 with jfk assn
with myarrival in britUniv as if this QE is fake .

At end now , no harm came to muslims .bushblair chretien vajpayee
100% have been humiliated sitting in each others jurisdiction.

community event shows bush is no barakhoda(big god) -

but denied access to basic like barak hoda - yehud beyond
excessive.

muslims have been least affected ,quran islam hadith had madeit


provision - analogy is

access to log in secrets of allah denied

still valid

but denied access to their computer system,investment system,humanclone claim mutant muslim claim are all invalid.

They are neither british nor canadian nor Amrikan nor hindu nor

jap.

nor muslim?- frankly , from their viewpoint satanic verse

rule apply .

salman Rushdie`s book is satanic verse along with above gurus
bush blair chretien vajpayee

quran verse is none satanic and muslims are nonmutant .

euUSA can seem bombed lowradiationed polluted

sing along in hymn


beganay shadee me bush-blair diwana.


Love Kamala`s adjectives.

In the aftermath of 9/11 The Frontier Post, Peshawar, published an article of mine, captioned “A request to Taliban & Osama bin Laden”.

I am pasting the relevant part of that article here for the readers:

… “Osama, my dear brother, it’s not honourable to put the mythical valour and fabulous hospitality of Afghans on trail, once again. You have a unique opportunity to develop the phenomenon Osama Bin Laden into one of the most remarkable legends of Islamic history by giving up now on your own. You can become a symbol of grace and the norm of morality by going along the demands of the Unites States for the time being.

Imagine yourself that you are holding a speech at the city court in New York, …“ although, I understand the magnitude of sheer frustration that drives well-educated promising youth to undertake such a drastic step as suicide bombing, I am not responsible for the attacks on World Trade Centre and the Pentagon. It was not even practically possible for me to orchestrate such a meticulously planned operation while living in Afghanistan and being the world’s most wanted person for last five years. Nor was I in position to provide logistical support for an attack of this scale.

“The only motive to give up voluntarily was that I couldn’t let my fellow Muslim brothers endure gruesome atrocities of infidels because of me. It was beyond my integrity to let thousands of innocent Afghans die due to my presence on their soil. My religious convictions couldn’t permit me to be a part of the scenario where Muslims were fighting Muslims. To contribute towards (further) polarization of the Muslim Ummah was the last thing I could imagine of. One man’s life must not jeopardize the existence of a whole nation.

“Every Muslim, being a victim himself of American sponsored terrorism, can feel the agony Americans are going through and we feel sorry for their plight. I have the moral courage to stand for my beliefs and to admit my part of responsibility (if any). I am standing here in front of you solely to expose the hollowness of American allegations, to tell the world that America was accusing me without any solid evidence, to reveal the injustices being suffered by the Muslims. I must add, sooner or later USA had to pay the price of the Muslim blood that has been so ruthlessly spilled during last 50 years with its tacit endorsement, if not at its direct behest.

“No one can subdue Islam, no one could get me here alive with force but I still opted to come to show the Americans how abhorrently wrong their government is, to prove that USA is its own biggest enemy. The strong aversion millions of people harbour against America is not without genuine reasons. The great Satan doesn’t need any external foe to meet its fate. No so-called superpower can survive the rage of Allah Almighty for malevolence and hypocrisy.

“Eliminating one Osama will not solve any of America’s many problems. Answer to your security concerns lies in the solution of Palestine problem and pulling out your forces from the holy lands of Muslims. Anti-missile shields at the cost of hundreds of billions dollars are redundant until and unless America doesn’t address its unjust policies. Poverty and injustice are the parents of terrorism. The best possible deterrent American government can provide to its citizens is to abandon its hegemonic designs, stop exploiting third world countries in general and Islamic states in particular”…

Osama, you can turn the tables on the US. A move of the sort would render the rhetoric of the United States about terrorism redundant and most of its arguments to launch the “crusade” superfluous. Depriving America of its moral leverage in the wake of attacks on civilian targets, pre-empting its plans to wage war against Islam under the cover of ”fight against terrorism” would be a brilliant move.”

Regards,
Riffat Jahan

Very difficult subject matter to write on.

I do not see the parallel between TM and OBL.


Ras

#4 by hozeifa on May 7, 2003 6:56am PT
Fellow readers, help me.
Normally, I don’t understand much of kamala. Reply #1 is no exception either.
Am I alone?

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Dear Hozeifa,
Thnak you for restoring my sanity by asking this relevant question. I too thought that the reason I can never fathom kamala`s senetnces let alone whole diatribes was due essentially to my inferior schooling at a little known English style public school in Lahore. I am so glad that there are others to whom kamala`s replies are equally intriguing not to mention undecipherable.

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````If they don`t want to get shot, what are they doing there?````

Neither Islam creates ObL nor Christianity produces McVeigh. It is ObL & Brothers who create versions of Islam as per their perceptions, interpretations and requirements. The exactly same is true for McVeigh & Co or for that matter RSS, BJP ...

In fact, this modus operandi is typical for all sorts and colours of self-styled “defenders”, may it be a political or religious issue.

Interesting comparison.
I am intrigued to ask: What would have happened if Osama had done like McVeigh?

Imagine: Osama had turned himself in immediately after 9/11.
Even today the US doesn’t have any smoking gun against him. Only circumstantial evidence.
What a medial and judicial circus it would have been?

Could Bush attack Afghanistan after that?
How much more difficult it would have become for the US to make the utterly false connection of al-Qiada & Saddam stick?

If Islam is responsible for Bin Laden -- then Christianity is responsible for Timothy McVeigh.

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Reading Kamala`s posts after Abrar`s article has filled me with awe.

Really.

I think the main theme of this piece is to highlight the lack of courage on the part of many jihadis to take the responsibility of their deeds in a graceful manner and face the consequences than to glorify the killers.

I too think, as the writer presumably intends to convey that if you believe in something, do it, but then don’t hesitate to stand for it. Don’t run away.

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Fellow readers, help me.
Normally, I don’t understand much of kamala. Reply #1 is no exception either.
Am I alone?

Gore Vidal has written voluminously on this topic. For a good sample, check out his Vanity Fair article ``The Meaning of Timothy McVeigh`` at
http://www.geocities.com/gorevidal3000/tim.htm

Rafay Alam

..glorification of killers......?