Train to Pakistan 2004: The Tribute

Re: # 11

``I just cannot understand what kind of picture Indians have of Pakistanis? What exactly has your government and media been feeding them? And why do they believe it? Is there a website that has an Indian version of what a, ``Pakistani,`` is presumed to look like? Does he have horns and tail and gun in his hand? :-) ``

Actually, I never understood why we, as kids/teens, were filled with a ``YAAAAAAAAAAAYYY`` voice in our heads when news released deaths of indians on any given occasions --even innocent indians. Please consider it a 2-sided thing

:)

Hamid sahab: next time you`re in pakistan, would you be interested in getting in touch? i`m bhindigosht@yahoo.com

Thanks Hamidm2 . . . Islamabad invite for nimbu-pani extreme version sounds good, do they do it with masala too?

On the Lahore bit, my late Dad used to tell me that there was nothing more entertaining than setting up the Lahoris versus the non-Lahoris into arguments on dull evenings in medical college.

My angst about Lahore stems from the ridiculous amount of fine stone dust we have to ingest on the Wagah-Lahore railway line. A week later, and my nostrils are still aflame, my throat has this wierd feeling and my mind revolts whenever I think about going there by train again.

Do you get to Delhi too?

vereesh mian,

...... i am stuck in the great american midwest, in a city that does not have police reporting even though it seems to have the highest criminal to citizen ratio in the country!............. but i can be found in pindi/islamabad in july and december ...... if you do end up in islamabad you must get the guys from your consulate to take you for a round of golf at the islamabad golf club (they seem to be there at least five days a week ) ............afterwards you can sit on the verandah of the club house and enjoy the best nimboo-pani in the world served in frozen beer steins - thanks to islamic resurgence you now have to take your own pawa of gin to pour in!............

.......... and i don`t think you will win an argument with the lahoris - those guys are thinking of moving the kaaba to anarkali !.......... having lived in lahore for five years, i must say, they do have a point - it is a great city ............ compared to lahore, pindi/islamabad is a sleepy little town which shuts down by the time the lahoris are just getting started............

Hamidm2 # 60, great, thank you. Makes my day, your explanation. Which city in the world are you in, and does it not have police reporting, please? I just love the way people take some of your messages oh so seriously.

Now I got to go back and give those Lahore types something to chew on. For far too long have people from Lahore gone on and on . . . because we in Delhi were busy.

As for Hanuman`s hordes, have you read the Chinese version of the Ramayan, specifically the part where the God of the Sun descendants Chinese natch met up with the God of the Apes South of the Himalayas, and asked for help?

Ref hamidm2 #49

[......... even i, a whiskey loving peacenik, threw a bomb-party when nawaz sharif titted the indian tat ..........]

Well, I had to think for a moment and turn the phrase ``tit for tat`` over in my mind to see if it should have been ``when nawaz sharif tatted the indian tit`` but unfortunately you are correct in your usage of words ;-)

vereesh,

..........i don`t know much about the hajooj and the mahjooj except what i remember from my grandmother`s tales ......... i just loved the way she used to slowly drawl out the words ,``.......hajooooj or mahjoooj ab diwar kay pechay band hai.... laikan wo diwar ko din raat chaat rahey hain .......... aik din, wo nikal ain gay aur phir insaanon kay saath bohat bari jang ho gi .......... ab chup kar kay so jao!``..........

.......... later in life i realized she was probably talking gog and magog, the evil one`s who were supposed to lead their armies out of the north against israel (all kinds of creatures have been picking on poor israel since the creation of the world!) ............first i thought it was the mongols who were licking away at the great wall of china........... but then it could be the chinese slurping at the himalayas trying to make a meal out of the scrawny chicken-breasted gandhi types............. of course in pakistan, where most people don`t know which end is up, north could be east, unless of course hanuman`s hordes decide to take the scenic route through kashmir ................in any case, here is what god has to say about these horrible creatures :

`` Ezekiel 38:15-23 and come from your place out of the uttermost parts of the north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great host, a mighty army;

you will come up against my people Israel, like a cloud covering the land.

In the latter days I will bring you against my land, that the nations may know me, when through you, O Gog, I vindicate my holiness before their eyes.

``Thus says the Lord GOD: Are you he of whom I spoke in former days by my servants the prophets of Israel, who in those days prophesied for years that I would bring you against them?

But on that day, when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, says the Lord GOD, my wrath will be roused.

For in my jealousy and in my blazing wrath I declare, On that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel;the fish of the sea, and the birds of the air, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep on the ground, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall quake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the cliffs shall fall, and every wall shall tumble to the ground.

I will summon every kind of terror against Gog, says the Lord GOD; every man`s sword will be against his brother. ``

.............. and people think the world is a crazy place today !

re:#57 by Soulat
Only some North Indians with ties to Pak are nostalgic about cricket and visiting Pakistan. For most Indians, Pakis do not even exist. I mean, come on guys. Do u seriously think we are preoccupied with Pakis? Only reason i am even interacting here is because of some real/ perceived harm that your country is doing to India and i as a NRI care.
Now, i heard u guys fell over each other to have a glimpse of all those Bollywood stars. I am sure u were one of them, craning your neck and scratching your groin at the site of Urmila Matondkar. I hear that when the popular pop-singer Sonu Nigam was in Karachi, tickets for this concert were sold out and each ticket cost Rs 5000!

As elections are being held in India, there is an unprecedented interest in Pak. Visit this Url:
http://www.jang.com.pk/important_events/indian_elections/index.html
to know what is going on with Indian elections. If u don`t, i am sure other Pakis are reading all about the elections or at least what is going on.
So, do not give me the crap about `` Pakistanis don’t have this fascination of India.`` Heck, they even listen to anti-Pak songs belted out by Bollywood!

``Pakistan has good game of keeping India and Hindu supremacist party BJP tied down in Kashmir and I just don’t see any reason to let this up because for some reason we need to have better relations with India. I mean what are those reasons precisely?``
Dude, looks like u have been sleeping for the last several months or perhaps u were on drugs and do not know what is happening to your country. Pak`s jehad in Kashmir has failed miserably: militarily, diplomatically and most importantly, financially. Pak`s GDP growth dipped while India`s increased during the jehad years. Of late, with latest equipment from Israel, Indian Army has been exterminating the jehadi rats faster than u can say cheese. So, there u have the answer to your question.

``First people from Karachi f--ked with Indian brains then Punjabis had some fun with these useful idiots. Why turn it into some agonizing ordeal of having to deal with them and their 1930 model cars regularly?``
Forgot 1971 already?
As far as auto industry is concerned, read about Indica, the latest from Tatas from the following Url:
http://www.goodnewsindia.com/Pages/content/milestones/indica.html
`` A team of over 700 engineers who had never worked on a car before, developed a prototype at a cost of Rs.280 crore. An unused Nissan plant bought in Australia was cut up into about 800 containers and reassembled in Pune at a cost of $22 million [around Rs.100 crore]. Telco engineers robotised the assembly plant with a high degree of automation - the paint shop has only 16 workers. This level of automation had never been done before in India. The plant has now produced over one lakh cars, making around 250 cars a shift, or one car every 105 - 130 seconds.

And Indica was on the road within three years of conception, at a cost of about $400 million as against a world-wide estimate of $1.2 billion for a `fresh` car. ``

Latest scene from the Auto industry in India:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/EI03Df01.html

``Yet the hottest ideas in car design are happening right now in the back streets of Mumbai. India is now the ninth country in the world to design a vehicle on its own. ``

``The Indian-made sports utility vehicle Scorpio received a singular response in Detroit early this year, not just for its design but also because of its cheaper price tag. Tata Motors, the country`s second-largest car maker`s small Indica convinced MG Rover of the UK to sell it to the UK market as the City Rover. Others like Ford`s mid-sized car model Ikon, Maruti`s Altos and Toyota`s Indian-made multi-utility vehicle have found ready buyers in a number of American, European and neighboring countries. ``

``Already, 15 global car makers - including GM, Ford, DaimlerChrysler, Mercedes-Benz, Audi, Isuzu and Nissan – have set up outsourcing offices in the country, with a combined budget of approximately $1.5 billion, industry sources say. Leading component makers like Delphi, Visteon and Caterpillar, too, have found India their best bet.``

I know. It is frustrating for u. You may wanna go back to your coke or hashish or whatever it is you were smoking. Sometimes, ignorance can be a true bliss.
Sridhar

hamidm2 . . . can you tell us more about hajooj & majooj please?

For the rest, your humour is amazing, thank you. I do not know how many people are able to read between your lines . . .

hamidm2, dost-mittar, tahmed32

Now you guys are really sharp. Know every thing and here I am just trying to figure out why India and Pakistan cannot maintain the same level of relations that we have now for another 57 years? Indians can come every two or three years watch cricket until the fascination goes away. There is nothing that suggests that Pakistanis would go to India to watch cricket games. Pakistanis don’t have this fascination of India. I doubt that any Pakistani would be spending time writing these huge monologues after being in India under ten days. I mean what is the big deal! I will be nice to any idiot that visits my home. I have been nice to dogs regularly.

Pakistan has good game of keeping India and Hindu supremacist party BJP tied down in Kashmir and I just don’t see any reason to let this up because for some reason we need to have better relations with India. I mean what are those reasons precisely? Both govts are being forced to please the US and they can play this game until some reasonably secular govt comes into power in India.

First people from Karachi f--ked with Indian brains then Punjabis had some fun with these useful idiots. Why turn it into some agonizing ordeal of having to deal with them and their 1930 model cars regularly?

hamidm #49 relax. i dont think we are going to see swarms of painted swamis and hordes of big-toe chuppalled madrassis accompanied by their women with badly tied saris with love handles sticking out from the sides parading down mall road anytime soon. the madrasis have started dressing better now anyway, and some of them have even started wearing proper shoes. check out indian movies and see how cute the actresses now look. change your stereotype of the indian, and you will feel better. if not, take two aspirin and call me in the morning.

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aakar
That bit in Mid Day on Imtiaz Ahmed sounded snobbish and cheap. Please don`t let the class snobbery of some of our friends rub off on you.

hamidm2:
`` why can`t we treat it like china treats the taiwan issue?..........continue to call it an integral part of pakistan while playing footsie with businessmen from bangalore and bimbos from bombay (and that does not include fv) .......... ``

My point, exactly, even though I did not put it so succinctly!

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hi veeresh
great piece.
funny you should mention feeling moved on hearing of 3000 sikhs in pindi.
rehan and i were walking around old lahore and near delhi gate, on the way to wazir khan`s mosque, we entered a lane where hundreds of sardars were walking around shopping and it was beautiful.
rehan`s uncle (col) moin said half-jokingly that ``seeing so many sardars on the mall again makes me nervous``!
aakar