The Corrupted Daughter

Reference:

Piaget`s View of the Child`s Mind

shank you!

Inspiring!

Re: # 26

EinZeitgeist, I`ll take your comment as a huge compliment. Thank you so much for dropping by.

reads chillingly similar to a currently ongoing episode of my life...
Nice work...

What you`ve put down, is the one determinable reason for the failure of muslim thought, (Islam should not be merged with mulim thought). Muslim philosphers who find their benchmark in Al-Ghazali, all subscribe to what you have so succintly brought out. No rationale, no reason. Fear, not love. All this built up to give strengh to Malookiat. Take out 80 odd years of our history, and down the lane of history, today we reap what we have been harvesting for centuries.
Bravo!

#23 flyhighkites

Then ofcourse, one cannot please the aesthetic senses of all. Hence the word `variety`. But I appreciate the criticism.

Mental age? Now that`s a good question. What appears to the eye and the mind is not always true. If you ask the daughter of her mental age she would be clueless for an answer. However, she certainly has confidence in her individuality and maturity. How old is mature? Think of any number you like.

The mother fails to understand the point daughter is trying to make. Mother did not expect her to say what she had said and hence called her a kafir. If you haven`t noticed, the climax of emotions lies in this very line, `Just shut up! You kaafir!.....(audacious indeed)

This can happen to anyone regardless of what age; physical or mental. It is the thought process and active interaction with the environment that define the mental age.

Ah! You just said it yourself my dear. It is all about the right attitude! And if you still haven`t understood it, like you said, I can`t help you there. This would be some thing, which you will need to learn yourself.

Urstruly

Thanks for pointing towards your article. Makes plenty of sense.

I didn`t get the drift of the story, until i waded through the interactions which only helped me a little. What is it talking about? What (mental) age is the daughter? What`s so naive about someone who can be branded a kafir (must be audacious and indie enough to be a `kafir`).

It only faintly reminds me of the times, though, when we were teens and said crazy things - about family, insitutions, God, and music. The parents, friends, and teachers would be shocked, and say: ``aisi batayen kisi aur ke saamnay na karna, loag achay nahi hota.``

Okay, may be i`ve explained the story to myself NOW.
6/10 for writing... weakly developed.

#18 by noetherf

“Emancipation in my opinion was sought in imitating the old fashioned, traditional male; she imitated his cigarettes, his profanity, his agnosticism, his hairdress and his trousers. Like stimuli and like surroundings fashioned the two sexes into one. And I am sorry to say, I only see a sheep in wolf`s clothing, not a feminist.”

I am afraid Fakhra, you have lots of learning to do about women’ lib, rights and emancipation. It seems to me that you’re equating liberty and rights with attitude.
I really can’t help you much. This would be some thing, which you will need to learn yourself.

neo

There is a short answer to your question and then there is a long one. The short answer is that the word ``emancipation`` means different thing to different people. Turning women into a useful means of production with equitable renumeration is the western concept of emancipation, whereas, empowering Muslim woman to act as a responsible, free, and stakeholder social interactor in a society is the Muslim concept of emancipation. The later concept emerged first.

I order to see what exactly I mean by emancipation in detail please read the following section in my article `Justice for Half a Man`:

The Western Concept of Gender Equility

The Islamic Concept of Gender Equity.

http://www.chowk.com/show_article.cgi?aid=00002336&channel=university%20ave&start=0&end=9&page=1&chapter=1#PART%20III:%20ISLAMS%20EMPHASIS%20ON%20GENDER%20DIFFERENCES%20-%20THE%20PHILOSOPHICAL%20BASES

Urstruly,

Will you explain why this myth is a myth?

And thanks.

``women are/were emancipated by West`` is a not only a myth but an oxymoron as well. Other than that subscription you sound like quite an intelligent lady.

HP,

Yes, I meant women from the sub-continent. But I am willing to learn if I am wrong in my assumptions.

You are right, I speak of the current period.

Now about the answers to your questions. As the famous saying goes, `men are from mars and women are from venus`, women belonging to any continent have more or less similar traits in character. So, there`s no point arguing over the good and bad here.

The differences in character arise due to historical backgrounds of these women. More on that if you are interested.

Too good and too bad are two extremes, phases that don`t last very long. In my opinion, extremes are a deviation from a person`s original character. It is not a bad thing, just not something to place your bets on.

Let`s look at the development of the 21st century woman. Emancipation in my opinion was sought in imitating the old fashioned, traditional male; she imitated his cigarettes, his profanity, his agnosticism, his hairdress and his trousers. Like stimuli and like surroundings fashioned the two sexes into one. And I am sorry to say, I only see a sheep in wolf`s clothing, not a feminist.

Man failed to see what a woman really is hence woman became a man. And in the process, forgot her true identity. And I would say the same for man.

And I apologize for using the phrase, `over-exploitation of women by the woman herself`. That was an exaggeration. But I will say this, women these days are trying too hard to get attention. And to be accurate I speak of the women in media.

Why do you think gay marriages are so popular today?

#15 by noetherf

“The idea of emancipation seeped through the East making our women believe that we are not free either and hence began the crisis of identity. Yes, conditions were bad for our women too but certainly not as bad as the West`s.”

I am assuming that when you talk about “our” women you are talking about women in and around Pakistan.

“conditions were bad for our women too but certainly not as bad as the West`s.”
How so?
The problem with this kind offhanded approach is that one never knows what period we are talking about here.
I would again assume that since it “seeped” thru the East, the period must be current.

IMO, no matter what period we are talking about, women in our part of the world never had it “good” or even slightly better than the women in the west in any comparable period during the last couple of centuries.

So I would appreciate it if Fakhra would define what is good and what is bad when comparing women of both hemispheres.

“it is evident in the over-exploitation of the woman (by the women themselves)”

While we are at it, just what is “over-exploitation of women by the women”. That certainly is not a much heard of phenomenon.

thanx & ur welcome noetherf & garam_chai