Declarations of Faith and The National Identity

1 by Ralph

Thank you dear for your interaction. You made very unkind remarks which were totally uncalled for. But I was not surprised when I read your Ilog in your prophile. Sorry to say that you seem to be a little unbalanced and much misinformed as appears from your remarks about the great leader MR. M.A. Jinnah. I wonder what kind of morals you believe in. You can of course criticise any religion or ideology. etc., but one should be careful when slandering some body especially when he is not there to reply.

Most religionists are self-deceived and self-deluded and the muslims are most hopelessly and idiotically so.

79 by Ralph

You are absolutely right dear Ralph. After all religion and history too, to some extent, are great myths, a make-believe world. As an ethnic Arab Pakistani I consider the `Jahilia` and `Islam` both part of my own culture and `Allah` my national god who is stated to have saved `Kahba` from the onslought of a christian Ibrah when it was a `Butkhana` with 164 or so idols being worshiped in it. Baqoul Ghalib:-

Ham mawaahid hein hamaara keish he tarke rasoom
ummatein jab mit gaeen juzwe eeman ho gaeen

How paradoxical! What Allah prevented a Habshi christian from he prompted an Arab to accomplish, i.e., to destoy the idols, except one of course, the black stone. Interesting isn`t it, eh! Without myths our life would perhaps be unbearable. What a poet has said:-

Yih khoob kia he, yih zisht kia he, jahan ki asl sarisht kia he
bara maza ho agar koi tammam chehre be naqaab kar de

tesah

``pre-Islamic Jahilia``

Couldn`t figure out the sense in which you made this reference, but the uncritical acceptance and propagation of such disastrous myths have had terrible consequences. I hope the `Islamic world` will begin to see some objective and scientific studies of the pre-Islamic times in their societies. It will reduce the amount of fanaticism that is endemic.

77 by Ayesha
Thank you dear Ayesha for the encouragement. We should all thank the `chowk` which has provided us with a forum where we can speak out the truth in this mullah-zaddah society like pre-Islamic Jahilia. A punjabi poet says:-

Sochan di mayyat lei ke mein kehre ghar jawaan
Je bolaan te mara jaawan je nah bolan te mar jawaan

I would like to have direct contact with the Chowkies who like the topic discussed.

Thanks for this article. It is always good to hear from honest individuals like yourself. Hope to read more from you.

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Isphahani Sahib,

Morons like you keep insisting that Ahmadis are a product of British conspiracy. When asked for evidence … you only air rhetoric. Urstruly here is the prime example … and now we have you …

You claim that Ahmadis are conspiring to capture all Muslim economy … and they are spying on you. Get off crack/cocaine … or whatever the hell you are smoking …

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An interesting interaction from Dr. Khurram, a friend and relative, residing in Newyork:-


``Long time no see,looks u get hooked up with other affair than internet.I ve started externship so kind of busy in that.

I read your article twice.This is awsome and beautifully written.I believe that it`s tip of an ice berg in a mullah stricken ,theocratic society like pakistan.

asking someone to declare faith in different gov forms for whatever reason is very embarrassing and exploitative for those who don`t want to discuss about it.

I recently filled an application form for my Federal state medical board exam of Connecicut board.They do have a section regarding applicants ethinicity and race but its always optional and applicats are encouraged to fill it for research purpses.Infact they have mentioned in that column that it`s not going to affect the processing of your application in any way.They don`t ask about your faith either.

I can understand your point while living in this alien society.Most of the programs I went for for my residency job has a motto that they do not discriminate on the basis of religion,caste,race,color.

That gives us (Desis living in US and striving to become a part of this alien system) a sense of hope , security and a dignity in the society which has values , customs; in short every thing totally different from eastern society.We cannot even give respect and honor to our own people whom we have been living with for centuries and they are compatible with our society and its customs. Thank God they don`t make us feel, like Qadianis in pakistan, here.

Khuda hafiz,

Khurram``

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