Censoring Michael Moore

Is the dearest Omar what the problem dont that you know that Ali-1 and Veeresh actual Alephnull a Dullabhatti is? You would have to try is marriage better language to understand the key to hearts and kick loves. The quick brown fox jumpss over the Lazy Dog. Look once to the anagram in kapitaal letters please. How over this, then?

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Arjun_m:

Awesome military machine that is the US Army? Man stop spouting dialogues straight off of Fox News. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link, and the weak link in the US military is personnel. They have been producing push-button warriors for about a decade now.

The duration of `boot-camp` in the US Army is 6 weeks if I`m not mistaken, then the recruits go onto specialist training. In the Pak Army this duration is 9 months, I think it should be similar in the Indian Army.

Navy SEAL training lasts for 12 weeks, and SEALs are the most elite commando unit in the US military command. SSG (Special Service Group) training lasts 9 months, should be something congruent for the Indian Black Cats.

The German Wehrmacht during WWII, THAT was an awesome military machine. The Israeli Defense Forces, THAT`s an awesome military machine. The Pakistani and Indian armies are well-above-average military machines.

Yes, I`m sure Bush will be calling any minute to ask your advice about which Islamic terrorist regime to attack. He`ll call you my friend, as soon as he has finished eating the shit that the Iraqi campaign has become. I`m sure he`s eager to know your opinion on which new front to open to spread his already thin formations even thinner. Dream on little man :P

Regards,
Irfan.

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Omar sahib 110 . . . if Pakistan`s National Security Adviser Tariq Aziz can, with a Pakistani passport, make a trip to Amritsar and Jammu as a guest of the Indians, then surely you, too can? Especially when I see that Urdu media from Pakistan, free-lancers like me, and other media-persons from both countries, do manage to go walk-about very comfortably.

Try it, Omar Sahib, the countries are changing, be part of it.

As for answering your questions, Omar Sahib, I hope to be able to do them, rather soon, in the course of my articles. Here as well as in certain eminent Pakistani publications.

I don`t wish to point to your track record of getting abusive when faced with queries yourself.

As for my hospitality, Sir, both of us come from a similar culture, where as long as you are going to be my guest, you shall be at the receiving end of my best hospitality. Please be assured of that, our disagreements here have nothing to do with that simple fact of life.

arjun & romair


Now you two guys are confusing me. Arjun wants me to go into a country in order to be able to critcize it and Romair wants me to leave a country in order to be able to criticize it. So which one is it guys?

I think, since I have been able to light a fire under the tails of both of you - two guys from opposite bands of a spectrum - therefor there must be something that i am doing is right; i.e. right in the middle. i guess i wont stop criticising na pak fauj and the evil empire and stay where exactly I am.

nikki: ``I want to rub this into `mullah` omar`s sawed off lil` pecker`` -- wow chowk editors u have done yourselves proud ...

veeresh ji -- i only carry a pakistani passport, tahts why i asked --


nikki: ``....MULLAH OMAR...Actually thanks to veeresh for being bold enough to associate with obnoxious types like yourself.I`m far from being a RSS shiksha,as i was born and am an indian christian and i`m not jealous of pakistan as there`s nothing to be jealous of.Really!!!. I just don`t like your shrill, dirt-digging posture vis-a-vis india and your articles are quite amateurish and that`s as objective as i can get.I`m not a journalist nor did i study journalism or communications so what do i know??.It`s just my opinion.The RSS has a right to go about their business along with all the groups and associations that are a part of the indian mosaic.I detest what they espouse but i will fight for their right to exist.I am confident that the public at large in my home country will never allow anything involving one`s personal freedom to associate or worship be hijacked by any group hindu. muslim or christian or get out of hand.That is why i love the concept of India.Something you will never experience.So butt out.``

nikki doesnt matter what faith u r coz i couldnt give a rats ass about who or what u believe in, its your choice -- when i called u a moron, which i think i did, it was based on your posts -- and it seems u want to outdo yourself each time -- try....try not abusing when y ou want to put your point across -- and try not referring to people`s anatomy -- i see u seem to be quite obsessed with that -- i wonder why hmmmm -- as for digging dirt on india, dude what do u think your indian buddies do here on chowk all the time???? i am not denying that i am posting articles critical of india but what do u think happens with the indians on this site -- they do teh same and actually they start it and since no one bothers responding in kind i say hey what the heck -- if, as u claim, u will fight for the RSS`s right to exist then learn to deal with posts critical of india and if u want to argue then stop being abusive and try using your mind, that is if u have one -- if u notice i dont say anything about your opinion on my articles because tahts your opinion -- learn to respect the opinions of others without talking about `peckers` and `asses` and `dicks` u moron -- and actually veeresh didnt answer several questions i asked him some time back but its ok -- he doesnt have to -- and u by the way seem so obsessed with india being secular u sound like one of our mullahs here who always say `islam khatray mein hai` -- grow up dude, its ok if some people dont think its all that secular --

Gujjubania, I don`t agree with you. Some people are like that ;certainly not all. I would agree with you that if people do feel that way, they are welcome to cross over. But of the many, many Indian Muslims I have known, not one has been like that. Maybe Ahmed Bilal`s friend means he would like to use Pakistan as a bargaining chip, but there is no bargain.
You`re right, some people do shelter ISI agents, but I suspect money has a hand in this.
My memories of the Kargil war include that there were prayers held in mosques for our soldiers. And I will never forget Hanifuddin. Indian Muslims don`t have to keep proving themselves.

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I am not sure where to post this.

I just heard one of the funniest phone calls of my life. Who says Pakistan does not have excellent customer service? Who says the customer is not the boss in Pakistan? And who says there is no freedom of expression in Pakistan? And who says things are censored in Pakistan?

This is hilarious. It contains a large amount of vulgularity. It reminded me of my military days. So Chowk Staff, feel free to delete my message if you don`t think it is appropriate. But, I think, all adults should get exposed to things like this, if they want broader exposure to the real Pakistani society.....

So, beware (specifically ladies who cannot handle it). But this is a must hear.....Definitely not for kids...Listen at your own risk....But it is hilarious......I can`t stop laughing......

http://mobilink.uni.cc/

AhmedBilal #92,

If possible, could you clarify with your friend what he meant by Pakistan being the
last hope for Indian Muslims ? I am not being snide. Does he mean that given an
opportunity, all/most Indian Muslims would migrate to Pakistan ? Some of that
happens, I am sure; but perhaps not in significant numbers. Is it a bad economic
deal for them in India, or a genuine fear of life and limb ?

I think this sort of supranational loyalty (or perception of such loyalty) is what the
BJP has used to make political gains in India. However, I don`t think that there is any
clear trend of Indian Muslims associating themselves with Pakistan. It would be nice
to have a Muslim Indian elaborate on this. Of course it`d be a solitary opinion, but
valuable nonetheless. Farzana/Zafar/nasah/... anyone ?

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Veeresh, it was very kind of you to answer the author`s questions, especially when he noted on another board that he is not here to answer anyone else`s questions.
I thought you had a Pindi-specific visa! I read your articles on the Outlook site, not here.
Omar, what you are so proud of having published-we take that for granted in free societies. I`m mildly incredulous that you even think fit to point it out. Things are obviously worse than they look.

Urstruly #95: ``I don`t think I need or anyone else needs a character certificate from you to see whether one is hypocrite or not.``

I have no intention in giving anyone character certifications. I am not in that business. That should be evident from my comments on the Muslim/non-Muslim/Ahmedi board. I hope you agree no one should give character certifications, be it on hypocricy, or on who is or isn`t a Muslim. Do we agree on that? Do you agree to stop giving certifications on who is and is not a Muslim, if you feel no one needs a certification on being a or not a being a hypocrite?

``Those who will still chose to remain in United States and criticize it as well, have my deepest respects because they are raising the voice of dissent right in front of the oppressor, which in the words of our Holy Prophet (pbuh) is the most exalted level of Jihad.``

One can twist religion to suit anything. This maybe why Muslims aren`t advancing. Did the Holy Prophet say that one should migrate to a country, pay taxes there, feed the killing machine as it kills Muslims, just so one can dissent? What he said was about dissenting against something happening within one`s own society. Not migrating to a place, to live off it, and then dissenting against it, just to hide one`s own double standards. That would be the equivalent of a Muslim from Medina migrating to Mecca, to make more money, joining the Quraish, becoming a, ``law-abiding`` citizen there, feeding its military machine as it attacks Medina, while dissenting from within Mecca, and stating that he is following the advice of Prophet Mohd.

If he was stuck in Mecca, or born there, that is one thing. But if he willingly migrated there, while hating Mecca, and continues to hate it (at least outwardly), while living off it, then what else is he but a hypocrite (just an opinion, not a certification from the State). One should not twist Islam to suit one`s actions. A habit many mullahs have.

Have you studied Islamic sayings on qaul and fael and tazaad. You quote Moudoodi a lot. What are his opinions on dar-al-Islam and dar-al-Harb?

There is a difference in dissenting from the inside and hating a country as an entity. A person who dissents, loves his country. He doesn`t hate it. He just wants the govt. (or oppostion) to change its ways. A good example are the Pakistanis on this site, and their dissent against various Pakistani govts. Or the dissent of many Americans against their various govts.

``So I do not see any hypocrisy in those who have courage to stay here. ``

Now you are stating that you are specifically in the USA to dissent from the inside. Is that true? Did you really move to the USA to dissent from the inside? I find that hard to believe. I thought you were conned into moving there. Which one is it? Or did you move there to make more money?

You have lived off the USA for so long. When someone asks you, why you are doing that. You say you were, ``conned.`` When someone asks you how you were conned, you do not reply. I have asked you so many times. How in the world can an adult be conned about this? And why does an adult continue getting conned, even if he knows he is being conned?

And what desire developed in you to change your whole lifestyle, migrate to another country, just so you could dissent against it, in the first place? I have never heard of people migrating into another country, so they could dissent from the inside........

In any case, one lives by one`s own conscious. I find your criticisms, from a distance, about Iraqis etc., while feeding and simultaneously hating the beast, quite a contradiction. One cannot have it both ways. Either one loves one`s country, or one hates it. If one hates it, one does not have any right to live off it. So one should move.

You are hunting with the hounds and running with the hares. Enjoying all the benefits of the USA, while proclaiming yourself to be the ultimate anti-USA mujahid. While simultaneously, passing declarations on who is and who isn`t a Muslim in Pakistan. Quite an achievement......not to mention quite a contradiction and double standard......