Riffat Jahan September 20, 2004
#15 Posted by hassansiddiqi on September 25, 2004 11:51:23 pm
It is true that democracy never flourished in Pakistan. It is also true that the military in part is to be blamed. However, at this point in time, I believe President Musharraf is the best man to lead Pakistan. Sure, you can call him a dictator since he was not elected. Sure you can call him an American ally. However, at the end of the day, Pakistan right now needs institutions to be restored, economy to be restored and terrorism and extremism eliminated. Musharraf is the best man to do this job. He should stay in power until law and order in the country is restored, the economy is in good hands and good political leaders from the ground up are on the horizon.
If Musharraf does not eliminate terrorism and does not create a culture of free speech and good politics, thats when we need to revolt. Right now, he is doing a good job and it shows. The economy is doing really well. We have a free media that is discussing things from the Hudood Laws to education problems to the uniform issues of Musharraf. The massacres of Karachiites in the Benazir days are over. This is the right direction that we are heading towards and it needs to continue. We need to realize this and give him more time.
If Musharraf does not eliminate terrorism and does not create a culture of free speech and good politics, thats when we need to revolt. Right now, he is doing a good job and it shows. The economy is doing really well. We have a free media that is discussing things from the Hudood Laws to education problems to the uniform issues of Musharraf. The massacres of Karachiites in the Benazir days are over. This is the right direction that we are heading towards and it needs to continue. We need to realize this and give him more time.
#14 Posted by teshah on September 22, 2004 10:18:18 pm
4 by hnsir
96% perhaps like Mush to remain in uniform for how long he may like but not to meddle in civilian affairs. Afterall what use is the civilian part of his power base. Tarar is still claiming to be the president of Pakistan but what could he do being without uniform when turned out of the president house so uneremoniously. A man residing in Army House has all the power and that house cannot be occupied without uniform, or can it be? So I wonder why Mush does not keep a dummy president like a dummy pm and don his uniform for ever without much fuss.
96% perhaps like Mush to remain in uniform for how long he may like but not to meddle in civilian affairs. Afterall what use is the civilian part of his power base. Tarar is still claiming to be the president of Pakistan but what could he do being without uniform when turned out of the president house so uneremoniously. A man residing in Army House has all the power and that house cannot be occupied without uniform, or can it be? So I wonder why Mush does not keep a dummy president like a dummy pm and don his uniform for ever without much fuss.
#13 Posted by M.B.Z.Isphahani on September 22, 2004 10:18:17 pm
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#12 Posted by nikki7777 on September 22, 2004 8:54:44 am
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#11 Posted by M.B.Z.Isphahani on September 21, 2004 9:39:30 pm
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#10 Posted by SameerJB on September 21, 2004 9:39:30 pm
Islamabad has natural defenses from the north and northeast by margalla hills. All it need is a wall about 20 miles long to make it a fort separated from Rawalpindi and Peshawar side. A wall running from chak shahzad passing below the rawal dam towards faizabad on to pir wadhai until it crosses peshawar road and turns north. It will be a great tourist attraction with bunkers like the ones on Bar-Lev line in Sinai desert and like the ones on the great wall of China. It is not such a major project. Until wall is completed, the name Islamabad should be on hold and instead temporarily called Panipat.
Within this walled city a second line of defensive wall should run from zeropoint straight to quaid-e-azam university passing between aabpara and rose garden.
The Islamabad administration should have the right to declare city-wide emergency during imminent crisis situation and volunteers should be used to block all entrances with as many vehicles as possible.
After removing the jaw from the lawn of faisal mosque, the lawn should be made national graveyard where people killed for democracy should be buried in addition to people who have served Pakistan tirelessly and honestly.
It is the urgent need of Pakistan and Islamabadis to save them from the frequent conquests of GHQ using 10th core from chaklala and westridge.
#9 Posted by hamidm2 on September 21, 2004 2:50:39 pm
who cares ?
............. does anyone, other then sehba and his batman, really care whether musharraf takes off his pants ?........... i just talked to my little sister - who is the bellwether of public opinion in pakistan - and she doesn`t care as long as he doesn`t tie up the traffic when she has to go to reet boutique in jinah super ................ she has been the gold standard since she cried for three days straight when bhutto was hanged, and then beat her own record by crying her heart out for a week when zia was blown out of the sky .............. in between she has gone through brief mourning periods for benazir and nawaz sharif who she affectionally calls ``aloo`` to this day ..............
............. does anyone, other then sehba and his batman, really care whether musharraf takes off his pants ?........... i just talked to my little sister - who is the bellwether of public opinion in pakistan - and she doesn`t care as long as he doesn`t tie up the traffic when she has to go to reet boutique in jinah super ................ she has been the gold standard since she cried for three days straight when bhutto was hanged, and then beat her own record by crying her heart out for a week when zia was blown out of the sky .............. in between she has gone through brief mourning periods for benazir and nawaz sharif who she affectionally calls ``aloo`` to this day ..............
#8 Posted by nikki7777 on September 21, 2004 2:50:39 pm
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#7 Posted by digital_paindu on September 21, 2004 11:19:02 am
Sigh...
All of us wasting our breath over here. Including those in the assemblies. What is the legality of Mushi over-throwing an elected government? What is the legality of introducing some ABC ammendment in the constitution? What is the leaglity of being a serving general as a president even till the end of 2004? A joke is being made out of the state of Pakistan. Our own army feels proud in conquering our own country time and again. Uniformed person in the presidency symbolizes its victory. Bravo Pak Fauj! You did it again! There is no need to make fuss about his uniform. He will take it off any time he likes, he can change the PM any time he likes, he can dissolve the assemblies any time he likes, he can... what not and what not!
Let our own army enjoy its victory over its easiest target, Pakistani civilians!
All of us wasting our breath over here. Including those in the assemblies. What is the legality of Mushi over-throwing an elected government? What is the legality of introducing some ABC ammendment in the constitution? What is the leaglity of being a serving general as a president even till the end of 2004? A joke is being made out of the state of Pakistan. Our own army feels proud in conquering our own country time and again. Uniformed person in the presidency symbolizes its victory. Bravo Pak Fauj! You did it again! There is no need to make fuss about his uniform. He will take it off any time he likes, he can change the PM any time he likes, he can dissolve the assemblies any time he likes, he can... what not and what not!
Let our own army enjoy its victory over its easiest target, Pakistani civilians!
#6 Posted by Urstruly on September 21, 2004 8:35:23 am
hnasir
I think you are wasting your breath, everybody, including Mushsraf and his underlings know what the reality is. I have no doubt in my mind that the country is inching towards a militant freedom strugle. At present Faujis are having their 5 course meal with the debt they are incurring in the name of this nation and also on the revenue that is generated with in this country. International monetray agencies, i.e. debters are forcing their agenda through SAziz to make sure that they get their return on investment. The real losers are of course people who will pay through their nose in near future. As a matter of fact faujis are doing exactly what Argentina did causing it to go bankrupt. Currently only the hapless midle class is finding itself being crushed by the grinding stones of economic forces. Poor has always been poor but at least he had a shelter, one meal and two pieces of cloth to cover himself, but soon he is rapidly losing that and hanging himself to the ceiling. Ever wonder why and how country has become the armed robberies capital of the world? The lawlessness and anarchy are the seeds through which militant freedom strugles sprout. And history tells us that no one has ever been able to win a war against poor and helpless when he rises up.
#5 Posted by hnasir on September 21, 2004 7:32:01 am
Mr Musharraf now proudly claims that staggering 96 percent of Pakistanis don’t want him to doff his uniform.
I, for one, am extremely curious to know which opinion poll, survey technique, intelligence sources he has used to deduce this magical figure. He must be sitting on some super secret information, unavailable, invisible and indiscernible to everyone else in the country. Equally essential would it be to know whether this hyperbole is based on some fatally erroneous feedback or just a product of his own wild fantasies.
Interestingly, apart from the oneness of Allah Almighty and Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH) being his prophet, it would be hard to find any single issue with as much as 80 % support in the country. One must be either moron or totally divorce from reality to make claim of this magnitude. It is mindboggling that Mr Musharraf can come up with this much exaggeration, if not outright lies.
But for discussion’s sake, let us assume that the official figures churned out by the infamous election commission regarding April-fool referendum from 97.5 % yes vote to 71% turnover were 100 percent correct. That means accepting 97.5 percent of the whopping 71 percent voter turnout (71*97.5 = 69.2 %) voting in favour of Mr Musharraf extending his hold on power for another five years. Here one has to keep in mind that the referendum was held when Mr Musharraf still had the considerable support of his beloved hapless silent majority.
Much water has flown down the stream since then. Past unusually unfair elections marred with massive intervention from the GHQ, our notorious generals’ headquarters; standoff in Waziristan, crisis in Balochistan; several smooth transfers of powers; sham accountability drives; gross human rights abuses at military farms; the popularity graph of our incumbent messiah must have nose-dived, if not plummeted altogether.
And there is more. In the last much-abused elections his like-minded quislings could only muster a maximum of 30 % votes out of the total votes balloted despite employing every trick under the sun. The overwhelmingly majority of votes were cast for the parties, groups and personalities which bitterly oppos(ed) Musharraf and his regime. So are we to now believe that all those traitors have miraculously had a complete change of heart? Does Mr Musharraf seriously believe that merely petty 4 percent of countrymen disapprove [or remain neutral] of what he has been doing for the last five years squarely to serve his own personal interests and perpetuate his rule?
On what grounds then Mr Musharraf could so brazenly assert near unanimous, across the board support for his wheeling and dealing? Unfortunately, it seems that with the passage of time Mr Musharraf has lost clarity of mind and sight or has surrounded himself with such a nasty lot of sycophants around him that he has totally loss the contact with ground realities. Or else he simply prefers to live in a fools’ paradise.
Only a few weeks back it was declared that Mr Shaukat Aziz bagged startling 153785 votes from the constituency NA 229 Tharparkar in recent bye-elections where normally not even one-fifth of as many voters use to cast their votes. Wonders happen.
Obviously, we ordinary mortals and Mr Musharraf and his cronies don’t live in the same world. Otherwise, in the surroundings I dwell, very sorry to say, it is hard to find even 4 percent of Pakistanis who respect fauji wardi anymore. A very painful fact is that to more and more Pakistanis the lousy uniform Musharraf so fondly wants to keep on wearing has just become a symbol of deceit, deception and greed. Nothing more, nothing less.
If this grand claim of 96 % reflects the quality of analysis and competence of the supreme commander of our armed forces and if this is the standard of information our premier intelligence outfits are feeding to the decision makers then we really are in serious trouble. The security of the country is in grave peril.
Finally, are we moving forward or getting bogged down deeper and deeper into morass? Every new step is more shameful than the previous one, every act more ignominious than the last one. What a pathetic record. What an abominable `achievement.` Does this tell us anything about our rulers, our leaders and our military?
I, for one, am extremely curious to know which opinion poll, survey technique, intelligence sources he has used to deduce this magical figure. He must be sitting on some super secret information, unavailable, invisible and indiscernible to everyone else in the country. Equally essential would it be to know whether this hyperbole is based on some fatally erroneous feedback or just a product of his own wild fantasies.
Interestingly, apart from the oneness of Allah Almighty and Hazrat Mohammad (PBUH) being his prophet, it would be hard to find any single issue with as much as 80 % support in the country. One must be either moron or totally divorce from reality to make claim of this magnitude. It is mindboggling that Mr Musharraf can come up with this much exaggeration, if not outright lies.
But for discussion’s sake, let us assume that the official figures churned out by the infamous election commission regarding April-fool referendum from 97.5 % yes vote to 71% turnover were 100 percent correct. That means accepting 97.5 percent of the whopping 71 percent voter turnout (71*97.5 = 69.2 %) voting in favour of Mr Musharraf extending his hold on power for another five years. Here one has to keep in mind that the referendum was held when Mr Musharraf still had the considerable support of his beloved hapless silent majority.
Much water has flown down the stream since then. Past unusually unfair elections marred with massive intervention from the GHQ, our notorious generals’ headquarters; standoff in Waziristan, crisis in Balochistan; several smooth transfers of powers; sham accountability drives; gross human rights abuses at military farms; the popularity graph of our incumbent messiah must have nose-dived, if not plummeted altogether.
And there is more. In the last much-abused elections his like-minded quislings could only muster a maximum of 30 % votes out of the total votes balloted despite employing every trick under the sun. The overwhelmingly majority of votes were cast for the parties, groups and personalities which bitterly oppos(ed) Musharraf and his regime. So are we to now believe that all those traitors have miraculously had a complete change of heart? Does Mr Musharraf seriously believe that merely petty 4 percent of countrymen disapprove [or remain neutral] of what he has been doing for the last five years squarely to serve his own personal interests and perpetuate his rule?
On what grounds then Mr Musharraf could so brazenly assert near unanimous, across the board support for his wheeling and dealing? Unfortunately, it seems that with the passage of time Mr Musharraf has lost clarity of mind and sight or has surrounded himself with such a nasty lot of sycophants around him that he has totally loss the contact with ground realities. Or else he simply prefers to live in a fools’ paradise.
Only a few weeks back it was declared that Mr Shaukat Aziz bagged startling 153785 votes from the constituency NA 229 Tharparkar in recent bye-elections where normally not even one-fifth of as many voters use to cast their votes. Wonders happen.
Obviously, we ordinary mortals and Mr Musharraf and his cronies don’t live in the same world. Otherwise, in the surroundings I dwell, very sorry to say, it is hard to find even 4 percent of Pakistanis who respect fauji wardi anymore. A very painful fact is that to more and more Pakistanis the lousy uniform Musharraf so fondly wants to keep on wearing has just become a symbol of deceit, deception and greed. Nothing more, nothing less.
If this grand claim of 96 % reflects the quality of analysis and competence of the supreme commander of our armed forces and if this is the standard of information our premier intelligence outfits are feeding to the decision makers then we really are in serious trouble. The security of the country is in grave peril.
Finally, are we moving forward or getting bogged down deeper and deeper into morass? Every new step is more shameful than the previous one, every act more ignominious than the last one. What a pathetic record. What an abominable `achievement.` Does this tell us anything about our rulers, our leaders and our military?
#4 Posted by aquaris on September 21, 2004 7:32:01 am
..... Unless we get Rid of this Dogs, Cats, Puppies and Pimps.....
there is No End......sigh.......But when we remove a Dog ....another Dog takes his place..
#3 Posted by Garam_Chai on September 20, 2004 9:16:30 pm
Coincidently, i am watching Gen Moeen-ud-din Haider is stressing the need of enlightened moderation. We should listen Clinton`s advice for Pakistan,``Rule of Law``. We have to stay within our limits to bring an order in our society.
If general is allowed to violete the constitution, then we should be allowed to violete the red light on the road. That will also make a fair society.
If general is allowed to violete the constitution, then we should be allowed to violete the red light on the road. That will also make a fair society.
#2 Posted by M.B.Z.Isphahani on September 20, 2004 9:16:30 pm
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#1 Posted by HP on September 20, 2004 2:51:55 pm
I think my solution is still better!
Read that in the ``Cat is out and mouse is chasing her`` board.# 22.
Why this pandemonium about General`s uniform all of a sudden? It took people five years to learn that Mushy boy is wearing uniform or they thought all emperors are always naked!
I think this whole concept of Mushy boy taking off uniform was wrong from the very beginning. In an Islamic country like Pakistan people have to cover themselves and mushy was just covering himself with the khaki. Now all will know when he takes it off. What a sight it would be.
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