Pakistan’s Software Industry

Hamidm2 Bhai,

Da jawab nahin.

Regards
Sanatani (Horrible Hindoo)

Pakistan has a serious image problem. If you really want to grow in software, shed your anti-US, pro-jehadi mentality. Currently the only credible item thet Pakistan exports is global terrorism

#342 by tahmed32

[arjun: i see it is impossible for you to get off your habit of monkeying (ha! ha!) with internet material to support your half-brained Indian-chauvinist view of the world:]

And the fact that you can`t do even that suggests that you are worse than a monkey.

arjun: i see it is impossible for you to get off your habit of monkeying (ha! ha!) with internet material to support your half-brained Indian-chauvinist view of the world: Look carefully at both references you provide and they are both pakistani sources (and everyone knows we have islamic extremists in pakistan who no doubt would love to pass the bomb around to their fellow nuts in other countries).

I was not referring to these islamist extremists in my post - I was referring to the international community to whom your brilliant politicans demonstrated in 1998 that Pakistan had a legitimate reason to have a nuclear deterrent. But I suppose that is too hard for you to register. Duh-uh.

Last post to you, and you can come back with your usual ``pakiland pakiland`` howls now.

maheshG: I must have repeated a half-dozen times on this board that I have no doubt that there were others who knew of his shenanigans, but that does not change the fact that (as BJP made crystal clear in 1998) Pakistan has a legitimate reason for building the bomb (i.e. as deterrent to India). Please take the trouble to read what I have actually written and dont simply assume I said something.

#338 by arjun_m and #339 by MaheshG2

And that is why it is difficult to argue with these educated and progressive Pakis. They live in a totally different world, where they have taken care of the Indian threat forever without realizing the fact that once India acquires the Patriot anti-missile system, it will lay to waste Pakistan`s entire nuclear weapons effort. And the next time, Pakistan will never be able to steal any technology, given the intense scrutiny from which there is not going to be any escape for a long, long time to come.

Tahmed, you must be pretty naive to believe that only Khan was involved in nuclear proliferation. And you must be even naiver to think that the US govt believes the same.

#336 by tahmed32 on March 18, 2005 6:55am PT


And yet, that term (``Islamic Bomb``) is in fact hardly ever used anymore nowadays


Yup...just like post 9/11, no Pakistani in the US will admit supporting the jihadis

Is there something wrong with our Pakistani neighbours? ``DESPITE Khan`s attempts to sell Pakistan`s nuclear secrets to enrich himself and DESPITE 9/11. `` Do these guys really believe that AQKhan was only one involved?

When things were going good, only one year ago, all of them were going ga-ga over AQK. And now he has been made only scapegoat!!

And w.r.t did more than anything the Pakistanis could have done in convincing the world that of Pakistan`s case , it appears that these pea-brained pakistanis, who have no work other than sitting on chowk and try to interact with females, now consider themselves world.

rsridhar #335 I think it has been ``unthinkable`` for a lot of countries long before 9/11 that any muslim country should have the nuclear bomb. After all, talk Pakistan`s efforts ``Islamic Bomb`` started as far back as the 1970`s I think. The remains that despite all this, Pakistan went ahead and developed the bomb. And yet, that term (``Islamic Bomb``) is in fact hardly ever used anymore nowadays DESPITE Khan`s attempts to sell Pakistan`s nuclear secrets to enrich himself and DESPITE 9/11. In fact, (just to add to my earlier 4 points a fifth point), the BJP governments shenanigans (which made the world`s headlines) of 1998 in blasting five bombs and following that up with threats to Pakistan, did more than anything the Pakistanis could have done in convincing the world that of Pakistan`s case (i.e. it needed the bomb as deterrent to India). As I said, with enemies like the India, Pakistan never needed any friends. :-)

If you carefully read the cut and paste you yourself provided from this article, you will see that does not refer to any attempt by the US to disarm Pakistan - rather, US efforts are limited to the more specific and limited (and in my view perfectly reasonable) goal of understanding the extent to which Khan`s shenanigans resulted in nuclear know-how being passed on to other people. So, please dont read what you would like to read - see what is actually being said. Also I think that while mentioning Rice`s visit, you ignore a couple of key points - first, that Rice in fact rejected Indian government attempts to dissuade the US from selling F-16`s to Pakistan which in fact would point the other way from what you are arguing.

re:#333 by tahmed32

``So, rest assured that (despite Amir`s predictions), if you are waiting for Pakistan`s nuclear deterrence against India to disappear, I suggest you buy yourself a good book to read...``
Tahmed Sahib,
It is not what i think or what Indians think that matter. The new rules of game are determined by the sole superpower. Since 9/11, it is just unthinkable that a muslim nation should have nuclear weapons. Pak has not been a responsible nuclear power. A.Q.Khan acted like a warlord and helped proliferate the technoology (which he himself had smuggled in from abroad) to North Korea, Iran, Libya. Do u think US is not concerned at this? Do u think US seriously believes it was just Khan`s personal doings and that the Pak State or Army was not involved?
If u have read the news of near collapse of the Oil-pipeline deal with India and Iran, you will know US was not interested in seeing India hobnob with middle east and what looked like a great idea to India, Pak and everyone around there was looked upon with suspicion by US. That is how it is going to be. Condeleeza Rice, on her recent visit to India, was urging India to look for newer technologies for her energy needs. In other words, we may see more US Oil companies interested in doing drilling and finding oil in India than this pipeline materializing.
What i am trying to say is: the groundrules are being framed by the sole Superpower. I was only being factual when i said in my last post that Pak`s nuclear assets are under close scrutiny. Nobody wants them falling into wrong hands in case of an Army Coup or terrorists taking over that country.
Please read the following article:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/GC19Df03.html
Excerps:
(Now the US wants hard evidence of this and all of Pakistan`s other dealings so that it can build its case against Iran. This will include full scrutiny of Pakistan`s nuclear program, especially from the late 1980s until the early 1990s, when Pakistan developed the nuclear device, which it eventually tested in 1998.

Importantly, and to the consternation of Pakistan, the US demand includes direct access and interrogation of Pakistan`s former chief of army staff, General Aslam Beg, who has on many occasions openly endorsed nuclear cooperation with Iran, former president Ghulam Ishaq Khan (August 17, 1988 until July 18, 1993) and Dr Khan.

The exhaustive US demand has sent shock waves through General Headquarters Rawalpindi. To date, the belief had been that Pakistan`s cooperation has been sufficient to avoid people like Dr Khan from being handed over. )
Sridhar

ylh #318 I thank you for your kind words of support. These fellows you were directing your post to are indeed a bloody waste even of chowk space, and that is saying a lot :-).

rsridhar #331 On 1998, you start by saying ``You are welcome to hold a different view on this.`` and this would seem to mean that you agree with me that we are beating a dead horse. I have already summarized in four points the basis on which I hold those views and have not heard anything beyond heated denials that fly in the face of facts and common sense from some of your countrymen. You end your post by indicating a desire to continue beating this horse by writing ``The question to ask is: was it all worth it? I need some honest answers here from my Pak friends on Chowk. `` That is fine with me - perhaps you will have better luck with other Pakistanis on chowk who may agree with you. :-)

As for Ayaz Amir, when you refer to him as one of the ``saner voices`` in Pakistan, you indicate that you have found Pakistanis to be in general lacking in sane voices. Please note that people can have different perceptions of the same situations even while both sides are completely sane. As for Amir`s quote - his speculations about Pakistan giving up its nuclear capacity in light of US pressure may thrill Indian hearts, but rest assured it isnt going to happen. As I have said, when it comes to the issue of the defense of Pakistan through the nuclear stalemate, Pakistani leaders demonstrated great resolve despite intense international pressure. So, rest assured that (despite Amir`s predictions), if you are waiting for Pakistan`s nuclear deterrence against India to disappear, I suggest you buy yourself a good book to read while you are waiting since this could turn out to be a much longer wait then you think.

Hamidm ji

Burri baat. Inn sab ko alag alag kar ke ghar bhejiye.
Vaise aap maanege ke horrible hindoos (arjun-m) ki similies bahut fit hoti hai.

Regards

re:#311 by tahmed32
I was trying to convince u and others from Pak that nuclear weapons have not necessarily benefitted Pakistan. You are welcome to hold a different view on this.
You say:
``you display the common view of too many Indians that Pakistan is merely some kind of a client state of the US and is incapable of existence as a free and independent nation on its own.``
I never said Pak is incapable of existing as a free, independent nation. Now, u are putting words into my mouth.
I think u should read the following article by Ayaz Amir, one of saner voices from your country:
Url: http://www.dawn.com/weekly/ayaz/ayaz.htm
Excerpts:
``Besides, while no closer to liberating Kashmir or forcing India to the negotiating table, our Kashmir policy (in tandem with our love for the Taliban) was earning Pakistan a reputation as one of the cockpits of international jihad. But it is salutary to remember that while peace with India was a long overdue policy, the push for it came not from home grown wisdom but American tutelage, one of the positive aspects of our American connection.``

``So it is relevant to ask whether in the Khan Research Laboratories the centrifuges still spin. The Americans are all over Pakistan now. Would they permit this?

If enriched uranium, the stuff that goes into a nuclear bomb, is no longer being produced, and Pakistan`s nuclear community is in a state bordering on panic, then it obviously means that our nuclear programme, for all practical purposes, is frozen, the labs quiet and the centrifuges out of business.``
After the tit-for-tat nuclear explosions, Pak finds itself being closely scrutinized by the world community on its nuclear issue, to the extent that the author of the article i posted even questions (as have many others) the very existence of nuclear capability now. The question to ask is: was it all worth it? I need some honest answers here from my Pak friends on Chowk.
Sridhar

Oh god, shiva, allah,
I come back after a week and people are still discussing Karachi Stock exchange.. Arjun and Harish -pl get over it. Karachi exchange going up won`t hurt us in India.

Though, I such hope that some Pakistani Harshad Metha is not pushing that exchange up... Lot of people will get burnt if that happens