Hero as Molester

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Khalsa5 can u write a more detailed post explaining how militancy changed in phases over the period 1980-1990s

[[[ And how come the local populace turned against the
terrorists only after KPS Gill took over? I do agree
that support of the local populace is essential if
terrorism is to be defeated, but that support was
there already. It is only when the police gained the
upper hand that people felt emboldened enough to fight back. ]]]

There never was any support from the local population.

In the two years before Golden Temple was attacked total of 200 people were killed.
The two years that followed the attack on Golden Temple over 25,000 people were
killed in violence. SO POP QUIZ... WHAT STARTED VIOLENCE.

The movement had following composition.

1. 10% committed for Sikh theological reovlution.
2. 25% for economic reasons (Chandigarh, Water to Rajasthan, etc) through violence.
3. 25% to settle personal vendatta against their enemies.
4. 40% to make quick money through violence (robbing bank, kidnappings, etc)


Now KPS gill only solved 3 and 4 from above. HOW.

1. He turned the political/economic issue of punjab a Hindu/Sikh issue
(which it never was).

2. HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS.
He got the women, children and old folks of the militants killed by police
thus making the war that was against Government of India towards Punjab police.
Extra judicial killings were so bad that even Sikh leaders like Maan (who resigned
after golden temple attack from IPS post) was
saved when a punjab police hindu gentleman refused to shoot at him in
an extra judicial murder attempt. My friend who was an Amritdhari
Sikh (17 years old) was arrested without any charges (under TADA) and put
in jail for over 4 years. My cousin was arrested because police found
``A plan to loot a bank`` in his pocket and was released after 4 years.
My 15 years old cousin died in Amritsar when CRPF shot him in the back without any reason.
My grand mother died after she thought that militants had attacked her family (it was police).
And this is just me... there are million of cases like above. 100% punjabi families were affected
by gross human rights violations. Eventhough militants got the punishment but we are
yet to see Jagdish Tytler, Sajjan Kumar, Dharmdass Shastri (responsible for Delhi massacre
and others hanged till death.


While the real economic/political issue of infrastructure, Chandigarh for punjab, waters
to rajasthan and haryana are still to be solved.

Mrs Bajaj on the other hand has nothing to do with women lib or fighting for women rights.
She raised a son to be a typical brat who stalk and molest women all over Chandigarh and Delhi using
the administrative power of his parents. He has several court cases against him.

Both Gill and Bajaj are for one-up gameship due to their huge egos. Both contributed nothing to
India, Punjab or basic humanity.

#7 by hindvi

[Those before him also commited human rights violations but that was never enough, the counter insurgency succeeded because the local populace turned the gun wielders in, that is the only way they have ever succeeded historically.]

And how come the local populace turned against the terrorists only after KPS Gill took over? I do agree that support of the local populace is essential if terrorism is to be defeated, but that support was there already. It is only when the police gained the upper hand that people felt emboldened enough to fight back.

Re: Hindvi #7
KPS Gill was instrumental in killing the militancy in Punjab. He was the one who led the onslaught on the militants and weakened them enough for the local population to stand up against them. He was also responsible for blurring the line between the militants and the local goons that was one of the main reasons why the people turned against the militants.
In spite of his many flaws KPS Gill achieved the end of militancy. Lets give him credit for that.

Regards,

Faruk

Re: Hindvi #7
KPS Gill was instrumental in killing the militancy in Punjab. He was the one who led the onslaught on the militants and weakened them enough for the local population to stand up against them. He was also responsible for blurring the line between the militants and the local goons that was one of the main reasons why the people turned against the militants.
In spite of his many flaws KPS Gill achieved the end of militancy. Lets give him credit for that.

Regards,

Faruk

Re: Article
A well written and timely article Mr. Gatade. It’s incumbent upon us as a society to prevent powerful people from abusing their power. I think Ms Rupan Deol Bajaj has struggle is an inspiration to everyone, she persevered and got justice.

Regards

Faruk

Those before him also commited human rights violations but that was never enough, the counter insurgency succeeded because the local populace turned the gun wielders in, that is the only way they have ever succeeded historically. I suggest you see a movie its the most popular counter insurgency instruction device at the pentagon these days its called ``The Battle of Algiers``. Another place another time and a man infinitely smarter than Gill faced a situation far tougher. it was taught to us as part of strategic studies curricullum.

#5 by hindvi

[Gill didnt end terrorism in punjab, it ended when for a variety of reasons poor sikh farmers stopped giving the terrorists/militants shelter and started helping the police.]

Yaar hindvi, KPS Gill has many faults and as President (?) of the IHF, he has all but brought Indian hockey to its nadir, but please give the man his due. He did more than all of the police chiefs before him combined to end militancy. I agree there were excesses, but that`s how terror had to be dealt with in those turbulent times and that`s how he did it.

Gill didnt end terrorism in punjab, it ended when for a variety of reasons poor sikh farmers stopped giving the terrorists/militants shelter and started helping the police. Many of the gun weilders had by this time turned to extortion and had become even worse than the police, which is inded an accomplishment in the subcontinent.

Mrs. Bajaj knew the problems that she would suffer if she took on KPS Gill. She and her family received death threats, she was followed everywhere by the police, false cases were started against her husband who was also in the IAS. For her protection, the court ordered the police from Madhya Pradesh to protect her, since the Chandigarh and Punjab police could not be trusted.

However she felt that if she did not take action against KPS Gill, she would suffer from a poor self esteem for the rest of her life. That is what prompted her to fight.

I think that she is really a remarkable woman, and since I know her personally, I know the ordeal that she had to go through.

Nobody in India should be able to take unwelcome liberties with women (or with anyone else). So it`s good that justice has been served.

But if this article is any guide, Mr. Gatade is no Chandan Mitra.

Hello Shri Ghatade:

As usual a very good topic. Mr. Gill maybe a hero or a zero, but as he practiced sexual violence on a women, he should be punished. I am personally glad he has been punished. The lady in question deserves all our support and good wishes.

But as always in Shri Gatade`s articles, there is no depth or analysis of any kind. Only complaints and demands from the ma-baap indian state. How can we change things if we are only interested in whining and making complaints? Isn`t the next step to ask - what should be changed? If the indian police force is an `Organised goonda force` then surely we must do something about it.

(1) Regarding harassment of women, should it be mandatory that every police thana have a lady constable whose job is it to interact with rape victims, women being harassed by husbands etc.? Is there any requirement today for such a post?

(2) What kind of training are police constables given today regarding domestic violence and women`s troubles?

(3) States like Tamil Nadu seem to have made much better progress in empowering women. I have read that 10% of taxi drivers in Chennai are women. How have their police forces being organized to help this happen?

Look forward to your reply. It is important to complain and protest; but it is even more important to try to figure out what changes are needed to the system.

Its a bit like Clinton isn`t it ? Probably the best President US ever had , whose 8 year long tenure brought unprecedented prosperity to his country , one who did more to improve the living conditions and health care for the poor and unprivileged in the American society than any other President in history - but is condemned to be best remembered for his indescretions with a certain Monica Lewinsky.

Does the fact that Mr.Gill allegedly `outraged a certain lady`s modesty` take away the fact that he prevented Punjab from breaking away from India , ended khalistani terrorism that had taken away tens of thousands of lives , and ultimately saved India , a country of 1.1 billion people , from breaking in pieces ?

Mr.Gill is the biggest hero India ever had. One isolated incident where he allegedly misbehaved with a certain lady while in an inebriated state cannot take that away from him.