Selective Sympathy

Let us see if the PIPFD slime - iincluding Ramdas and his Paki son-in-law
have anything to say on the following:

---

http://www.jang.com.pk/thenews/nov2005-daily/04-11-2005/metro/k3.htm

No news of three Hindu girls kidnapped from Punjab colony

Parents say that the government has to take action

By Aroosa Masroor Khan

KARACHI: After the recent earthquake, most Hindu families decided to celebrate Diwali with simplicity this year but Sanao Amra’s family had different reasons for observing the occasion with solemnity. Three of his daughters were kidnapped from Punjab Colony, Gizri where they reside earlier this month. The family still does not know where they are hope that they are safe and will eventually be allowed to rejoin their family.

On 18th October when Sanao Amra’s wife, Champa, returned home from work, her daughters were nowhere to be found. Unable to understand what had exactly happened behind her back, she inquired about their whereabouts from her neighbours. The neighbours initially said they had not seen the girls, but later told Champa that the elder daughters Reena, 21 and Usha, 19, were seen rushing out of home towards their younger sister Reema’s school from where perhaps all the sisters were kidnapped.

Sanao Amra searched for his daughters for 2-3 days after which he went to the police. They turned down his pleas for help by saying that the government had not provided them with proper means of investigation and therefore there was not much they could do. The refusal by the police did not leave much for the family to hope. Then a few days later, one of the neighbours handed some documents to Sanao, which they said that they had received through courier. The documents stated that their daughters had embraced Islam and was signed by them too.

Suspecting three boys from his neighbourhood, Sanao Amra lodged an FIR against them after which they were promptly arrested by the police. But the court granted them bail because they were underaged for legal punishment. The boys are now free but the whereabouts of the sisters are unknown.

One of the boys, Abid, had informed the girls’ family that the girls had embraced Islam a year ago, but the father did not believe him. ``No sane person would ever fall for that. My daughters were kidnapped on the 18th and the documents state that they accepted Islam on that day itself, if at all.`` He said that he had been with his daughters for years and was very well aware of their thoughts and actions. He said they showed no sign of an inclination towards Islam before this, which is why he is sure they were being pressurized. ``I don’t know what they made my daughters do and how they convinced them to sign those papers but I am sure it was done without their wilful consent,`` said the father.

His wife, Champa, shared his views in this regard. She was expressionless when asked about her daughters. She said: ``It has been fifteen days now and I’m still hoping my daughters will return...even if they have embraced Islam the kidnappers should leave them back or at least bring them to us once instead of hiding away like cowards. I would want to see me daughters accept the fact in front of me.``

She said that they had done everything to spread the news of the daughters’ kidnappings, but no response had come so far. ``The kidnappers haven’t contacted us either, I have been waiting near the phone just in case my daughters call,`` disclosed the mother. They were happy girls content with their lives. The elder daughters Reena and Usha were also engaged to be married soon.

Sanao added that kidnapping Hindus and making them embrace Islam is not a new practice for their minority. ``This has been happening for years, it’s just that we belong to a suppressed class and are scared of involving the police and the media which is why such cases weren’t highlighted before. This is the first time anybody from my community has taken this step and I am not going to withdraw the case, but I can nothing by myself until I have the police or some government official to help me investigate.``

His health has been deteriorating as a result of this incident too. The remaining members of the family, which include a young daughter and son, have not eaten well for the past fifteen days. They are waiting all day with the hope of receiving some news about the whereabouts of their daughters. Another fear that is haunting the mother is that her daughters could have been killed, but she chooses to remain optimistic. ``I still have faith in God,`` she said.

The father also said that it was ironical that in this holy month of Ramazan, when Muslims generally become God-fearing, there are still some people who are diverted from the real practice of Islam. ``I have studied Islam too and really respect the religion for what it preaches. It certainly does not talk about forceful acceptance into the religion. This is no way to persuade...I am surprised at the minimal attention the govt is giving to this issue.``

One of the cousins of the girls, Raju, added that they have always considered Pakistan as their own country and the kind of discrimination their community has been experiencing now never happened before. The Hindus in Karachi are not recent settlers, they were a part of Pakistan even before partition. Raju said: ``We feel now we are not wanted here and can no longer term ourselves as Pakistanis. Leaving the religious differences aside, we are the citizens of this country first then why are we being treated as outcasts?``

He said the negligence of the government in proceeding with the case any further reveals that they are themselves involved in this. He mentioned that the police are trying to silence the family by telling them that the culprits, like in case of previous kidnappings, will not be caught this time either so they should not bother.

``How can they be so insensitive? Our community members even held a demonstration outside Karachi Press Club to condemn the kidnapping of my daughters but they turned a deaf ear to our call. I have been watching news on T.V. as well, but not a single channel has talked about my daughters even once,`` said the father.

He pleaded with the government to take note of the situation and consider the rights of the minorities that were promised when the country came into existence decades ago. The case of the three kidnapped Hindu girls once again challenges the concept of enlightened moderation that the government has been propagating for some years now.

Kaalchakra wrote: One doesn`t hear much of it in Pakistani media, so it may not be a major problem``

Are you on dope ? you think kidnapping and forcible conversion is not a big issue ?
If you believe that then you have the IQ of a slug.

Do you know how many Hindus flee into India given the first chance ?
Recently hundreds of Pakistani Hindus who had come legally and overstayed were
given Indian citizenship in Gujarat and Rajasthan.
In Kerala - there are muslims who went to Pakistan and then came back and now
requesting that they be given back their Indian citizenship !!!
Orwellian world indeed.

The PIPFD sc*umbags pontificate their equal-equal mantra. Of course these
PIPFD nutcases will be given some ``human-rights`` or ``peace`` prize sponsored
by Western interests. Then the PIPFD morons will jump up and down and demonize
India even more.

Al Bundy, HP

There does seem to be some issue of abduction of minority girls, their forced conversions, and harassments of girls` parents with the help of Islamic laws. Recently one of the Daily Times` editorials had raised the concern with regard to Christian girls too.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_26-9-2005_pg3_1

One doesn`t hear much of it in Pakistani media, so it may not be a major problem. It will certainly be less acute in some geographical areas and for some social classes than in other places and for other social classes.

Al_Bundy,

Islam is a religion of peace.

Islam only seeks to eliminate kufr from the world.

That is why in Indonesia three Christian schoolgirls were beheaded.

It is called the first step toward elimination of kufr in the world.

#40 by Al_Bundy

Okay I take my words back!

Idid not see this news reported anywhere else.

I doubt that Hindus are leaving Pakistan. It is there country too. They would have left a long time ago, if they were looking for Indian help.

Thanks.

RE- #39 by HP

HP saheb, please drive out all the Sindhi/Baluchi/Punjabi Hindus from Pakistan if you are so tired of them; we in India will gladly take them; in fact we need their business acumen to further grow our economy; we know you in Pakistan are so obsessed with the Purity of your Pure_land; May the moon-goddess of 5th century arabya, Al-Lah bless you

KARACHI: Kidnapping of Hindu girls condemned

http://dawn.com/2005/11/03/local13.htm

KARACHI, Nov 2: The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan has expressed its deep concern at the recent reported incidents of missing girls of the minority Hindu community.

An HRCP release issued here on Wednesday stated that according to newspaper reports 19 girls mostly from Punjab Colony were missing from their homes. Relatives of these young girls had reasons to believe that they had been kidnapped and being forced to change their religion, the press release added.

The HRCP strongly condemned this prevailing practice of kidnapping girls of the minority communities and their forcible conversions. It also condemned the government’s inaction on these issues as such practices were against constitutional provisions.

The commission urged the government to take immediate action on each reported case.—PPI

#38 by Al_Bundy on November 3, 2005 7:20am PT

I know lying is like a second nature to most Indians. Indian newspapers also follow this national pastime with as much glee as most Indians do.

Please look at this site, search the archives and news and tell me where is the press release that substantiates the lying machines that Indians follow day in and day out.

I would appreciate it if you would go thru this site and support the claim made in that `Gita`` like Indian rag you read and believe in so fervently. I could not find any info that you referred to, may be you can and point that to me.

Or if you can find a link on Google, which is more creditable than Gita from Kerala then please post that here too.

http://www.hrcp-web.org/

“the Dawn quoted the PHRC as saying in the release”

I could not find this press release that the gita referred to in your post. can you find it for me here?

http://www.dawn.com/2005/11/02/index.htm

RE- # 29

If a giant tree falls in the forest and no human hears the fall, does that mean the tree did not fall.

In the Pureland of Pakistan where only the Purest Muslims live, who practice the Most Peaceful religion on Earth, you under-report or don’t report news which damages the glorious “image” of “enlightened moderation”.

Below is a piece of news that “never happens” because it seldom gets reported.

Seems like the Pure-landers want to drive-out the handful of remaining Hindus left behind to make the land more Pure than before. May the half-moon God of ancient arabya, Al-Lah bless them in their divine mission.


Posted on 03 Nov 2005 # ANI

http://www.newkerala.com/news.php?action=fullnews&id=46966

Kidnappings of Hindu girls reaches fever-pitch in Pak

Karachi: Pakistan Human Rights Commission (PHRC) has expressed deep concerns at the recent rise in the number of kidnappings of Hindu girls, especially in the Punjab province.

An HRCP release issued here yesterday stated that as many as 19 girls, mostly from Punjab, were missing from their homes.

Condemning the practice of kidnapping of Hindu girls and their forcible conversions, the Commission charged the Pakistan government of being incapable of handling this issue, and that such practice was against constitutional provisions of the country.

Relatives of these young girls had reasons to believe that they had been kidnapped and being forced to change their religion, the Dawn quoted the PHRC as saying in the release.

The Commission also urged the federal government to take immediate action on each reported kidnapping case of Hindu girls.

Joe (sic) Athialy - you spew venom at the Indian army and focus on Indian
Kashmir, but what about POK what about the ethnic cleansing and military rule there ?
After all you are ``Pakistan-India PFD`` right ?
Joe Athialy - you are beneath contempt.

That man Ramdas who made a living of the Indian taxpayer and was made into
an Admiral now has the gall to create equivalencies between India and Pakiland
just because his daughter is married to a a Paki.
These are slim*ebags of the worst order. To the PIPFD folks, honesty is anathema.

When PIPFD bums repeat the equal-equal mantra between India and Pakistan and
remain silent on the jihadi genociders - you are on the side of the Pakis. Let there
be no doubt abou that.

Ref scout #29

[chowk staff,

why did you filter out khamkhwa.`s innocent interact while this stupid post was put through:

``There are just 5 million Kashmiris and 1 million Indian soldiers. If each Indian soldier is given 5 bullets and told to pump them into the heads of 5 Kashmiri Islamic fundooos , sparing only the nubile fair complexioned ample bosomed Kashmiri chicks in the age group of 14-30 , the `Kashmir problem` can be solved oin 24 hours.

No sympathy for Islamic terrorists. Kill them all. Take their women.`` ]

Exactly how do you think you became a Muslim? Don`t tell me ``by birth``. Think what happened some 200-1000 years ago that caused you to be born a Muslim.

Then tell us why you find the above prescription wrong.

What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

PS. Yesterday, a thug set off a car bomb in Srinagar killing more than 10 persons.

Does this speed delivery of relief materials to the earthquake affected people?

#29, {``chowk staff,
why did you filter out khamkhwa.`s innocent interact while this stupid post was put through``}

If you are not on Chowk`s Innocence Qualification Board, it`s none of your business.

#32 no..not a new year for sikhs. only for trading community.

Don`t judge Indians just because they did not show up to dig the rubbles in Kashmir. Average India need not rush to Kashmir because Indian Army and Indian govt is doing a good job in provinding relief to EQ victims. There is govt functioning in Kashmir. The Same thing can`t said about Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. POK hardly has any civil administration in place. POK for the last 50 years was controlled by Army and Jihadis. The Army has completely failed so now Jihadis are running the place. There is no govt civil administration in POK. Thats why average pakistanis are running to Kashmir to provide help because they no there is no civil administration in place. This is why everybody says that Pakistan is a failed country. It is kept alive the dole outs from west. If West cuts off its support the country will collapse like Mangala tower.

Re: # 31

jang

it is a new year for sikhs too?

A wish of a peaceful and prosperous new year for all the Hindus, Jains, Sikhs of devastated areas of Kashmir while they dig themselves out with or without help.

Mr. Bird Brain Athialy,

Here is a recent report from Kashmir.

Why dont you go to Muridke and convince the people carrying out this ``work`` to stop? Why just spit venom on soldiers carrying out their duties? The same soldiers who rescued hundreds of civilians and rebulit roads when a corrupt state goverment is unable to provide anything??


http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/news/news-kashmir-blast.html?pagewanted=print

Suicide Car Bomber Kills Four in Indian Kashmir
By REUTERS
Filed at 3:30 a.m. ET

SRINAGAR (Reuters) - A suicide car bomber killed at least four people in an attack on a busy highway in Indian Kashmir on Wednesday hours before a new chief minister was due to be sworn in, police said.

Policemen and civilians removed body parts from the area where half a dozen vehicles and several houses were damaged in the blast which also wounded six people, most of them policemen.

Blood-stained parts of vehicles and shoes were strewn across the road near the site of the explosion in the Himalayan region`s main city, Srinagar, where violence continues despite a tentative peace between India and Pakistan, which have fought two wars over the state.

The police chief of Jammu and Kashmir state, Gopal Sharma, said a militant, two policemen and two civilians were killed in the powerful explosion.

``When a police party tried to stop the car bomber, he exploded the vehicle. We had definite information about it,`` Sharma said.

India has been on high alert since the weekend, when three coordinated blasts killed 59 people and injured about 200 in the worst militant attack on the nation`s capital.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh told Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf that the bombings were probably linked to foreign elements and demanded that Pakistan act against terrorism directed against India.

A Pakistan-based militant group, Jaish-e-Mohammed, called newspaper offices in Srinagar and claimed responsibility for Wednesday`s car bomb attack.

The attack near a security patrol came before a member of India`s ruling Congress party, Ghulam Nabi Azad, was due to take the oath as the state`s new chief minister for the next three years under a power-sharing agreement with a regional party.

Security was tight in Srinagar for Azad`s swearing-in. Azad, 56, who was federal urban development and parliamentary affairs minister, has spent nearly his entire political career outside his home state, building his career in party backrooms.

He lacks a popular base in the troubled Himalayan state and has never won an election there.