Australia’s Muslim youth -- A Battle for their Hearts and Minds

Lillie,

You meant ``7th Century behavior`` I presume?

The reason for this behavior is that Islam does not have inbuilt mechanisms for self-reform or keeping up with the times. Even the much vilified Catholic church periodically apologizes for the past misdeeds of its popes or members. That is an example of civilized attitude that muslims can emulate.

The Muslim Manifesto is a significant first step in the right direction. This needs to be ratified into an act by the UN and made binding on all Islamic republics and countries with any muslim population. This is a far more deadly and immediate danger to civilized human societies than possibly are AIDS or global warming.

You are right on the dot about Islam being an Arab enterprise. That`s what happens when a huge lot of money comes to fanatics without any effort. These arabs sit in their tents counting moolah from the holes in the ground leased to western oil companies. No hardwork has gone into this earning, and hence there is no responsible behavior in spending it.

Hence they start terror factories, outsource terrorism to countries like Pakistan, train pilots to ram into buildings, fund the families of suicide bombers and build retrogressive societies.

Free societies of the east and west should join hands to ruthlessly exterminate the pests of radical Islam before they turn our societies into theirs.

Lillie,

You meant ``7th Century behavior`` I presume?

The reason for this behavior is that Islam does not have inbuilt mechanisms for self-reform or keeping up with the times. Even the much vilified Catholic church periodically apologizes for the past misdeeds of its popes or members. That is an example of civilized attitude that muslims can emulate.

The Muslim Manifesto is a significant first step in the right direction. This needs to be ratified into an act by the UN and made binding on all Islamic republics and countries with any muslim population. This is a far more deadly and immediate danger to civilized human societies than possibly are AIDS or global warming.

You are right on the dot about Islam being an Arab enterprise. That`s what happens when a huge lot of money comes to fanatics without any effort. These arabs sit in their tents counting moolah from the holes in the ground leased to western oil companies. No hardwork has gone into this earning, and hence there is no responsible behavior in spending it.

Hence they start terror factories, outsource terrorism to countries like Pakistan, train pilots to ram into buildings, fund the families of suicide bombers and build retrogressive societies.

Free societies of the east and west should join hands to ruthlessly exterminate the pests of radical Islam before they turn our societies into theirs.

khalid_ahmad,

Thanks for pointing out some excellent examples of the ``12th Century behaviour`` that so many Muslim Immigrants have been conducting the world over. We shouldn’t forget that this behaviours is not new; rather it has been happening for a very long time. Interestingly though, is the fact that Muslims have been major targets as well, which has caused divisions among Muslim sects as well as the search for a better more peaceful path.

In point of fact, Muslims are voluntarily escaping from Islam in record numbers (voluntarily as opposed to being murdered as ``apostates`` ). Currently, Islam`s growth rate is dependent upon higher birth rates amongst the poorer Muslims (along with jail-house conversions) . Paradoxically, it`s within this same group that a very high rate of conversions to Christianity are occurring. Why? Most simply, Islam, finally, is a fully Arabian owned and operated venture. Many Muslims who are not of Arabian origin (and therefore subjected to virtual dhimmitude themselves) have been waking up to this fact -- and interesting -- waking right alongside Westerners and for similar reasons - all have been shocked by the escalating violence of imperial Arabia .. however and importantly, non-Arabic and therefore second class Muslims have themselves been immediate victims of the state religion of Imperialist Arabia .. and are now rapidly moving into the kinder and gentler religion: Christianity.

Looks like the ``reformation of Islam`` is coming from unexpected but apparently functional quarters - Christianity. Imperial Arabian Islam has become the equivalent of the Pox riddled whore attempting to scream her clients back into her bed.

-Lillie

TERRORIST US PAKI TESTIFIES AGAINST TERRORIST UK PAKIS

LONDON, March 23: Mohammed Babar, 31, has been brought to the Central Criminal Court to testify against the men, who are accused of having discussed bombing revellers at a large central London nightclub as well as targeting public utilities.

The Pakistan-born US citizen has pleaded guilty in the United States to being part of ‘the British plot’ and given immunity from prosecution in Britain, the court has been told.

Babar, who is said to have met the men at training camps in Pakistan, began testimony amid tight security in and around the court, and on his transfer from a secret location.

He told the prosecutor he had decided to fight against the US despite his mother escaping from the World Trade Centre in New York, when they were hit by two hijacked planes on Sept 11, 2001.

He said he become increasingly politicised after the first Gulf War in 1991 and although he wanted to fight on behalf of Muslims in Chechnya and Palestine, he had not been able to make right contacts.

The 2001 war against Afghanistan’s ruling Islamist Taliban, who supported Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden, was his last chance of engaging in ‘jihad’, even though it meant fighting US forces, he said.

While across the border in Pakistan, he said he met a number of Britons, mainly from London and the Crawley area of southeast England.

“Those brothers came basically from England and were in Pakistan at the time after 9/11. Fifteen or 20 of us came to Pakistan for the jihad,” he said.

The accused are: Omar Khyam, 24, Waheed Mahmood, 34, Shuja Mahmood, 19, and Jawad Akbar, 22, all from Crawley, south of London; Anthony Garcia (also known as Rahman Adam), 23, of Ilford, east London; Nabeel Hussain, 20, of Horley, Surrey; and Salahuddin Amin, 31, from Luton, north of London

WHY WOULDN`T AN AUSTRALIAN NIGHTCLUB BE NEXT?

Throw out pakis, make the country a safer palce

Look up Aslam Dilpazier. He wrote regularly in the Guardian spewing his pro-Paki pro-Islamic we-are-victims racial venom in Britain. But fortunately, the british people wised up and the dude got kicked out in due course.

It is time for Australians to do the honors for the likes of Saeed Khan, who use newspaper articles for thinly veiled justifications and excuses for their primitive medieval practices.

Today`s news from London. Before it happens in Oz throw these green chameleons back into the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

LESSON: PAKIS REFUSE TO ASSIMILATE INTO ANY CULTURE AND WILL SEEK A RACIAL DIVIDE WHEREVER THEY GO

LONDON, March 22: A British girl of Pakistani origin lost a legal battle on Wednesday to be allowed to wear full Islamic dress in school in a case which has been likened to the row in France over the wearing of Muslim headscarves. Shabina Begum, now 17, was sent home from school in September 2002 and ordered to change her clothes after she turned up wearing a jilbab, a long gown which covers the whole body except for the hands and face.

The Lords said Begum’s family knew what the school’s uniform policy was when they sent her there and should have enrolled her at a different school if they objected to it.

EXCELLENT NEWS: Denbigh High said it was pleased with the verdict while Luton Council, which had backed the school, described it as “excellent news”.

“We are pleased that Denbigh High has finally been vindicated,” the council said in a statement. “The school has always adopted an inclusive uniform policy that satisfies the religious needs and cultural backgrounds of its pupils.”

Muslim groups were dismayed by the ruling.

“On a matter of principle we are disappointed,” said Tahir Alam, education spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain, the country’s largest Muslim lobby group.

Appeal judge Lord Justice Brooke said children at Denbigh school spoke 40 different languages and were from 21 different ethnic groups yet only the Pakis found a problem assimilating.

[How about a little support for those Muslims that have successfully integrated into the West, for they are the only hope that young Muslims have towards reaching a peaceful future]

This has been proven wrong many times over in many societies.

Take Britain for instance - it has provided an exceptionally liberal society with all opportunities for progress. Yet everyday there is a new instance of a British born Paki origin muslim immigrant caught trying to blow up this society. See, these worthless ingrates have been given more chances than any other immigrant culture but there is no hope. Ask why only Paki origin muslims are doing this? Why not Sri Lankan muslims, Malaysian muslims, Indian muslims or the Bangladeshi muslims? Because only Pakis believe in ``two nation theory - separate nation for Islam in whichever country they live`` and refuse to assimilate, ending up biting the merciful hands that feed.

This author - Saeed Khan - is merely looking for excuses to deflect critical examination of his culture. He writes this in the aftermath of the rape and the trial. If he really intended progress, he would have done it long before. Everything he writes about his culture has always existed, but his whining comes only after the mainstream has started to take notice.

Dont forget, this guy is a Paki and a politician, and he will do what Paki politicians do best. Lick the ass of the west with their self-whines while the other half of their brain is plotting of wrecking the very society in which they live.

By the way Saeed Khan writes in several other Islamic and Paki fora and an attempt is being made to collect those writings, which are in total hypocritical contrast to the contents published for the Sydney newspaper.

Chameleons are usually green, and the human variants pose grave danger to modern societies. Returning them to their green flagged ummah lands is the only win-win solution for both the civilized humans and the lizards among them.

It is a very positive thing to come up with solutions (Mr. Khan), yet criticism without an action statement is futile (khalid_ahmad). How about a little support for those Muslims that have successfully integrated into the West, for they are the only hope that young Muslims have towards reaching a peaceful future.

It is also important for Immigrant Muslims to consider how Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and Jews are treated in ``Muslim Lands``. Muslims Immigrants cannot legitimately demand Human-Rights, shelter and support from the West unless they are also for the protection of diversity in their homelands. The situation is already precariously volatile for Muslims in the West with the limits of Christian tolerance being reached rapidly, so we need to see positive moves by Immigrant Muslims - and the surest way for this to occur is for educated and well integrated Muslims to become the leaders, rather than the old men/Imams/Mullahs (with ancient ideas of control and non-tolerance).
Perhaps if Muslim Immigrants said some good things about the Western countries that have shown such generosity, openness, tolerance, freedom to worship Allah and protection from the dangers of embattled and poverty stricken countries...oh, I almost forgot, EDUCATION. Don’t you appreciate it when someone thanks you when you do a good deed or a favour to someone?

But let`s stop playing ring-around-the-rosy, are there any Muslims that can see that it will help Islam to protect the Christian convert, Muslim-born Abdul Rahman from the Afghanistan Courts which are close to putting him to death? Can any of you fathom the consequences of a State sanctioned killing of someone who has accepted Jesus as his Saviour? Here is a window peak into the Christian mindset. Christians are against war and are tolerant of other religions, including Islam. To unjustly kill Mr. Abdul Rahman will cancel the remaining support that Muslims have enjoyed, and it would be tragic because Western nations would turn to hard, cold, steel. The confusion and disagreement within Western countries is already crystallising into agreement, and Mr. Abdul Rahman may just be the straw that broke the camel`s back - although he might seem small and insignificant to someone in Afghanistan, depending on how he is dealt with the consequences could vary greatly. Free him with a public pardon or face the wrath of the entirety of Christendom, which means that Christians will all of a sudden support their Governments and militaries towards a solution, and Muslim immigrant will no longer be able to claim human rights protection if Christians (and other religions) are not given such considerations in “Muslim Lands”.

Even little steps in the right direction can help give all of our children a better world in which to live. Why not make a few steps in the direction of tolerance, responsibility and love for the beauty in human kind...after all ``God``/``Allah`` made all of us if you believe that He exists. Only those that don`t want peace for ALL of us and our Families can possibly promote the intentional killing of peaceful people like Mr. Abdul Rahman. Pakistan, which has great Leaders in its midst, is perfectly situated to encourage a Pardon for Mr. Abdul Rahman who has confessed that he became a Christian some years ago while living in Germany. http://www.afghantimes.com


-Lillie Whiteblossom

Yoo hoo...anyone home ... yoo hoo... OzChickPaki... councillor counsellor... where are you? Spending too much time with the other schizophrenic half?

Where is bin Laden?

See here

#various by khalid_ahmad

Yaar Khalid, obviously you haven`t understood the Paki psychology, have you? When you write posts denigrating Pakistan/Pakis, you`re either a hateful Hindu (never mind the fact that one American official went so far as to say that Pakis would sell their mothers for a few dollars..I`m sure Pakis think he`s a Hindu too) or mentally deranged. Ask OzChick if you don`t believe me, s/he is a psychologist (or at least claims so).

Austria or Australia, the pakistani immigrants are citizens of questionable loyalty. The sooner the western countries, the safer the countries would be. Austria is another country of high Paki immigration. Read this:

At a monthly parade, ``when the Austrian flag was raised, the Muslims turned away and demonstratively turned their backs on the flag``, an army trainer was quoted as saying. To the surprise of the officers, the Muslims said the flag was incompatible with their religion. Trainers at Vienna Maria Theresia Barracks complained that Muslim soldiers were often absent from duty, and could only be used for simple tasks in basic training. One said: ``Some of the strictly-religious drink alcohol, eat pork, and we`ve also tested Muslims positive for drugs.``

Confessions of a schizo psycho paki councillor thinking that it is also a western ausssie pussie counsellor

[OzChick #36 - By the way, i think he is quite good looking... ]
[OzChick #40 - I have done some research on him and find him to be a fine Australian]
[OzChick #41 - Yes I am a pyscho]
[OzChick #42 - we experience any trauma, and by trauma i mean, sexual, physical, psychological abuse, death of parents, divorced parents, living in war and the like]
[OzChick #42 - Childhood abuse causes a variety of mental issues ranging from depression, psychosis, borderline personality disorder, OCD and much more]
[OzChick #43 - Look up `countertransferrence`!]
[OzChick #44 - ...busy searching for a psycho]
[OzChick #45 - ...voices in the head are getting louder]
[OzChick #48 - I sense a lot of hostility]
[OzChick #49 - ...with mental problems]
[OzChick #51 - This isn`t normal.]
[OzChick #52 - ...truly delusional]
[OzChick #53 - By the way this isn`t about the author anymore]
[OzChick #55 - MMM...]
[OzChick #57 - You...have failed to gain the authors attention]
[OzChick #60 - I am sure the author has got better things to do than read any of the postings

This would be good study material to analyze a paki she-male double-lifed schizo. It is obvious that the female half (OzChick) has serious hots for the male half (OzPaki) and has started talking on his behalf. The question is what would the offspring of the schizo union be like?

[It is interesting to note that since the supposedly ``OzChick`` began posting here the author of this article is nowhere to be seen]

Not only that OxChick counsellor got created only after OzPaki councillor stopped posting.

Re:65

They won`t be back for a while now: the schizophrenic-half OzUnionLeader councillor is busy with the other schizophrenic-half OxChick counsellor.

It is interesting to note that since the supposedly ``OzChick`` began posting here the author of this article is nowhere to be seen.

This brings me to a question....


Dear chowk,
don`t you have any policies against people using multiple identities ?

-thanks
Sri