Violation of Civilians by the Army in Pakistan

Re: # 20
it is fair to be outraged about being beaten up. you can either move, and make your life, and make a contribution from abroad if you wish, or you can stay and try and change things.

Mohammad Shouka, I sympathize with you about the trauma that you and your family have suffered. Regarding how you will represent Pakistan, and concerning your feelings about the country, I must say to you that you have to distinguish between the country of Pakistan and the state of Pakistan. The state of Pakistan, presently captured by the army, is brutalizing the nation for the past 7 years. Treatment that has been meted out to you is what has been given to many people. The army has captured the assets of our country, bullied its institutions, harassed its people, silenced them, and terrorized them. Army rule does not belong to a positive future of Pakistan. We have to work together to end the ruel of the army and bring about self-rule. We will not get this handed to us on a plate.

I can`t believe a boy is pouring his heart out and everyone here instead of supporting him are further beating him down.

Mohammad shoukat go to http://www.lahorerealestate.com/ads/index.php post num: 31144 a guy called The real ali has posted what you have written on a forum which defense investors use to get information. The response to your misshape is huge. Your misshape has gotten voiced.

Re: # 17

wasif go lick your own tail.

Re: # 17

wasif go lick your own tail.

Fax your concerns to the following;
General Pervez Musharraf, President of Pakistan ++9251-9221388
Mr Shaukat Aziz, Prime Minister of Pakistan ++9251-9212866
Justice Rana Bhagwandas, Acting Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Pakistan++9251-9213452
Mr Mohammed Ali Durrani, Federal Minister for Information Development, Government of Pakistan ++9251- 9203740

When partition happened, every Muslim who migrated to Pakistan thought he would be a king there. So Price, its time for some humility

OK, in all honesty, I have no respect for Pakistan Army, especially at the Brigadier and above level. I think they are kanjars for the most part who make poor young folks go fight a jehad while their own chilluns are escoported to school be the batman.

Having said that, how different is your story from that of any other kid who got lightly tapped around by the police? Its just that in your country, Army is involved in domestic affairs hence it was involved in slapping you around. In case Pak Army had never taken over, the police would have come and done the needful.

So, what are you unhappy about?

That it was the Army and not the police that beat you up? If so, does it matter?

Or are you unhappy that you were beaten up? If so, how do you feel entitled to not getting beaten up by authority while living in Pakistan? Isn`t that a common enuff occurence?

I put my money where my mouth is..I have been beaten by police in india two different occasions. No problems. My expectation from police is that I will be beaten up. Such is life. Hence, because I want to live in dignity, I moved to America.

Lesson: Either get outraged whenever someone is beaten up in Pakistan. Or, if you think that is futile, accept that you will be beaten up. Or, move to America. U can live your life in dignity here.

[..Are we worse then Afghanistan and India?....]

Yes Sir. As a matter of fact your country is pig sty and a shit hole. If you were a woman I would have advised you to get yourself raped and may be Canadians will give you a visa.
(In other words, You mothafukk don`t get India involved in this .....No comparison assole..)

[is there any way to voice this?]

brother:
wrong forum!
join army!

take care of mom and bro.

RE: akbar, gm_007, colonel and dr_h


fauji chamchaaz....fauji kuttay hai hai

I completely agree with gmh on this, he/she nailed the problem. You think you got it bad kid, try wearing the shoes of people who are more intelligent than you and I but can`t afford to go to school. You really think that if you`d been born in a very poor family you`d be going to the same school?

The issue here isnt about them being right to abuse you and your family. The real issue is on ignorance on either side. Don`t get carried away by the status of your family, where you go to school, or where you live. Because quite frankly all this can change overnight.

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There is a lot of information missing. Were you given warnings to remove the work?
How many? Was your work legal? If it was not, why was it not removed by you?
If there was a chance that this was a possible outcome, why did your family not resolve this promptly?

What IS the relevant law in Pakistan? Did they need a court order to do this?

In UK, where I live, you can`t have any work carried out to a property even if it belongs to you, without asking the planning authorities. If it is a rented property, you have to ask the owners permission, who can only agree with it, if no planning permission from authorities is required for such work. It does not matter one little bit that YOU think the work is needed.
If authorised people turn up to remove such work, and they were obstructed or used bad language against, they WOULD be arrested.

As a added BONUS afterwards, they would also send you a nice bill for their repairwork, to put the property back to it`s original state!

Re: # 4

I agree with gmh007, DHA is pretty strict in its rules and regulations and don`t let go anyone,

the writer remarks
``My brother and I tried to stop them from creating a scene like they have done so many times. We protested and called our father, who had already talked to the people behind the engineering operation in DHA. However, these people did not agree to our requests to stop. They told us `` this is not your house`` and `` we can do whatever we want``, to which my brother and I resisted saying that this is against the law and not right. These retired army officers now part of DHA security threatened to break our legs and ``take care`` of us, to which my brother and I resisted again.``

are not as simple resisting they must have provocked them with abusive language and might been physical with them as he says we resisted .. though it could be dealt in a better way but the complainant is not not-guilty either.

Re: # 5 Ranjit Sahib...... In many aspects India has more problems than any plave in world. Now problem with indian arttitude is use of wrong focus. Now people like Arjun is always looking for ``problems in PK`` and when he sees little he looks through microscope and it really looks big. On otherhand he looks at indian ``problems`` with reverse Telescope so problems appear small. Now for your information the worst job politican person can have is becoming VazireAzam of India and second worst is mayor of Afghanistan. Now this is said by nce American gentleman and he is right 200%. India has so much problems some human right people want to collect money for starving children of india and light weight men and women of India just bone no meat on bodies. Why such situation you think is there in India where fair minded pakistanis want to help indian children ? Can you answer plaese sir ?

Re: #11

That`s a new one, really. Got any scoop... or are you just regurgitating conspiracy theories, eh??