Karamatullah K Ghori May 22, 2007
#10 Posted by Kamath on May 25, 2007 7:23:52 am
Re: # 8
Thanks a lot for the explanation. Later I realized that Shaukat =Shortcut.
Well anyway, the Pakistani Prime Minister was once worked in New York for many years and I thought he must have moved with various levels of culture and sophistication and come across all sorts of people and traditions. So I thought he knew better!
I have seen in so many papers his pictures. All his suits are expensive worth not less than $ 500-600. He seems to outmatch those of the President General Musharraf. That kind of display of clothing is bit showy for a PM of a poor country. They lack a bit of humility.
Kamath
Thanks a lot for the explanation. Later I realized that Shaukat =Shortcut.
Well anyway, the Pakistani Prime Minister was once worked in New York for many years and I thought he must have moved with various levels of culture and sophistication and come across all sorts of people and traditions. So I thought he knew better!
I have seen in so many papers his pictures. All his suits are expensive worth not less than $ 500-600. He seems to outmatch those of the President General Musharraf. That kind of display of clothing is bit showy for a PM of a poor country. They lack a bit of humility.
Kamath
#9 Posted by Kamath on May 25, 2007 7:23:51 am
Re: # 8
Thanks a lot for the explanation. Later I realized that Shaukat =Shortcut.
Well anyway, the Pakistani Prime Minister was once worked in New York for many years and I thought he must have moved with various levels of culture and sophistication and come across all sorts of people and traditions. So I thought he knew better!
I have seen in so many papers his pictures. All his suits are expensive worth not less than $ 500-600. He seems to outmatch those of the President General Musharraf. That kind of display of clothing is bit showy for a PM of a poor country. They lack a bit of humility.
Kamath
Thanks a lot for the explanation. Later I realized that Shaukat =Shortcut.
Well anyway, the Pakistani Prime Minister was once worked in New York for many years and I thought he must have moved with various levels of culture and sophistication and come across all sorts of people and traditions. So I thought he knew better!
I have seen in so many papers his pictures. All his suits are expensive worth not less than $ 500-600. He seems to outmatch those of the President General Musharraf. That kind of display of clothing is bit showy for a PM of a poor country. They lack a bit of humility.
Kamath
#8 Posted by teshah on May 24, 2007 7:33:41 pm
Re: # 7
The so called PM of Pakistan, Shoukat, is called `Short-cut` perhaps because he was got elected by `Wardi Wadera` in a very short-cut manner. Instead of being elected as PM in the general election he was got elected from two most backward constituencies in a bye-election by getting those seats vacated by some `jhurlu` method.
Here see an intresting excerpt from a column of Kamran Shaffi in the Daily Times of 24.5.07 about the `Short-cut` PM:
``He is not alone. The Personal Banker gets himself talked about in a biography about Condoleezza Rice by Newsweek Chief of Correspondents and Senior Editor Marcus Mabry titled: ‘Twice as Good: Condoleezza Rice and Her Path to Power’, in a most impertinent and shameful way. Apparently the Private Banker acted in a manner that suggests he doesn’t know the first thing about the etiquette of dealing with senior official representatives of foreign governments. Surprise, surprise. It is one thing to be unctuous to Arab potentates, it is quite another to interact in a dignified manner with foreign high representatives, in this case the highly intelligent and gifted Ms Rice.
It is pathetic that the so-called ‘Prime Minister’ of a significant country should be talked about in terms such as, ‘Yet, when Rice sat down with Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, who fancied himself a ladies’ man, Aziz puffed himself up and held forth in what he obviously thought was his seductive baritone. (He bragged — to Western diplomats, no less — that he could conquer any woman in two minutes.)’.
I ask you.
There is more: ‘“[He tried] this Savile Row-suited gigolo kind of charm: ‘Pakistan is a country of rich traditions,’ staring in [Rice’s] eyes,” a participant at the meeting recalled.
“There was this test of wills where he was trying to use all his charms on her as a woman, and she just basically stared him down. By the end of the meeting, he was babbling. The Pakistanis were shifting uncomfortably. And his voice visibly changed.”’ Infamy! Woe!``
The so called PM of Pakistan, Shoukat, is called `Short-cut` perhaps because he was got elected by `Wardi Wadera` in a very short-cut manner. Instead of being elected as PM in the general election he was got elected from two most backward constituencies in a bye-election by getting those seats vacated by some `jhurlu` method.
Here see an intresting excerpt from a column of Kamran Shaffi in the Daily Times of 24.5.07 about the `Short-cut` PM:
``He is not alone. The Personal Banker gets himself talked about in a biography about Condoleezza Rice by Newsweek Chief of Correspondents and Senior Editor Marcus Mabry titled: ‘Twice as Good: Condoleezza Rice and Her Path to Power’, in a most impertinent and shameful way. Apparently the Private Banker acted in a manner that suggests he doesn’t know the first thing about the etiquette of dealing with senior official representatives of foreign governments. Surprise, surprise. It is one thing to be unctuous to Arab potentates, it is quite another to interact in a dignified manner with foreign high representatives, in this case the highly intelligent and gifted Ms Rice.
It is pathetic that the so-called ‘Prime Minister’ of a significant country should be talked about in terms such as, ‘Yet, when Rice sat down with Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, who fancied himself a ladies’ man, Aziz puffed himself up and held forth in what he obviously thought was his seductive baritone. (He bragged — to Western diplomats, no less — that he could conquer any woman in two minutes.)’.
I ask you.
There is more: ‘“[He tried] this Savile Row-suited gigolo kind of charm: ‘Pakistan is a country of rich traditions,’ staring in [Rice’s] eyes,” a participant at the meeting recalled.
“There was this test of wills where he was trying to use all his charms on her as a woman, and she just basically stared him down. By the end of the meeting, he was babbling. The Pakistanis were shifting uncomfortably. And his voice visibly changed.”’ Infamy! Woe!``
#7 Posted by Kamath on May 24, 2007 5:53:25 am
Could some one tell me why the prime minister of Pakistan
is fondly known as ``Short Cut`` ?
kAMATH
is fondly known as ``Short Cut`` ?
kAMATH
#6 Posted by Zeena on May 24, 2007 12:10:04 am
Dear writer
All my sympathies are with you.Yes, last two generations and this , the third generation have never tasted the democracy in it`s real sense and the tragedy is, some people always come up to defend Army dictators with the notion that Pakistnis are incapable of handling democracy and they only deserve army dictators...
They are so very wrong......I agree with each and every word you wrote.As I am reading every line of your article I feel like someone is reading my mind.Honestly,I can`t believe that someone out there can read my mind`s each and every word.... Wonderful!
Let me repeat what I wrote about this great thing called, democracy.....
Pakistanis have all the rights to enjoy the very taste of democracy in it`s real sense with all it`s spirits. And why not? Each and every Pakistani is deprived of this taste for such a long time that they even forgot what is the actual taste of real and true democracy is? Majority of them even stopped thinking freely in terms of democracy. All these dictators (the vampires) sabotaged democracy for their tyranny.
Pakistanis should know that the real democracy is for the people, by the people with free judiciary. They should know that the only voice of poor and common people is the voice of democracy.
Army Generals hang democracy with their ruthless claws and suck the blood of poor Pakistanis to make them dead nation and they have partially succeeded in making them zombies with no voice, but, to act and dance at the tunes of army dictators.
MQM has played the major role in establishing Zia and then Musharaf....
So, the right way is to let democracy flourish in Pakistan with all it`s honesty...Army Generals don`t even give Pakistanis any chance to feel this beautiful thing, called democracy and they always are ready to rule Pakistan.....How much more Pakistanis could be stupid?
Pakistanis have become toys in the cruel hands of these dictators....Pakistanis need liberty, freedom from martial law and those ugly monsters, called President/Army chief.
Time has come for Pakistanis to learn tolerance and accept democracy as their savior, the only way they can be safe and free and only way they can progress...and the only way, they can practice their own faiths freely without fear of any kind.....

All my sympathies are with you.Yes, last two generations and this , the third generation have never tasted the democracy in it`s real sense and the tragedy is, some people always come up to defend Army dictators with the notion that Pakistnis are incapable of handling democracy and they only deserve army dictators...
They are so very wrong......I agree with each and every word you wrote.As I am reading every line of your article I feel like someone is reading my mind.Honestly,I can`t believe that someone out there can read my mind`s each and every word.... Wonderful!
Let me repeat what I wrote about this great thing called, democracy.....
Pakistanis have all the rights to enjoy the very taste of democracy in it`s real sense with all it`s spirits. And why not? Each and every Pakistani is deprived of this taste for such a long time that they even forgot what is the actual taste of real and true democracy is? Majority of them even stopped thinking freely in terms of democracy. All these dictators (the vampires) sabotaged democracy for their tyranny.
Pakistanis should know that the real democracy is for the people, by the people with free judiciary. They should know that the only voice of poor and common people is the voice of democracy.
Army Generals hang democracy with their ruthless claws and suck the blood of poor Pakistanis to make them dead nation and they have partially succeeded in making them zombies with no voice, but, to act and dance at the tunes of army dictators.
MQM has played the major role in establishing Zia and then Musharaf....
So, the right way is to let democracy flourish in Pakistan with all it`s honesty...Army Generals don`t even give Pakistanis any chance to feel this beautiful thing, called democracy and they always are ready to rule Pakistan.....How much more Pakistanis could be stupid?
Pakistanis have become toys in the cruel hands of these dictators....Pakistanis need liberty, freedom from martial law and those ugly monsters, called President/Army chief.
Time has come for Pakistanis to learn tolerance and accept democracy as their savior, the only way they can be safe and free and only way they can progress...and the only way, they can practice their own faiths freely without fear of any kind.....

#5 Posted by echoboom on May 23, 2007 8:18:29 pm
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#4 Posted by teshah on May 23, 2007 6:23:15 pm
Ghori Mian
A good dirge indeed, but a weird analysis!
You say:
``They’d turned Karachi, the erstwhile bastion of freedom and liberty in Pakistan, into a replica of their brutal, undemocratic, reign over Pakistan—something that no military Bonaparte had managed to achieve before.``
But you failed to mention the obvious root cause for it: the military Bonaparte this time is an Urdu speaking Matarwa, whereas the man leading the caravan of democracy and justice into Karachi, Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry, does not belong to that category. This is the stark reality of the whole tragedy which we avoid to face for weird reasons; that the MQM in reality is `Matarwa Qaatil Mafia` bent upon perpetuating the rule of a Matarua at any cost.
A good dirge indeed, but a weird analysis!
You say:
``They’d turned Karachi, the erstwhile bastion of freedom and liberty in Pakistan, into a replica of their brutal, undemocratic, reign over Pakistan—something that no military Bonaparte had managed to achieve before.``
But you failed to mention the obvious root cause for it: the military Bonaparte this time is an Urdu speaking Matarwa, whereas the man leading the caravan of democracy and justice into Karachi, Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry, does not belong to that category. This is the stark reality of the whole tragedy which we avoid to face for weird reasons; that the MQM in reality is `Matarwa Qaatil Mafia` bent upon perpetuating the rule of a Matarua at any cost.
#3 Posted by echoboom on May 22, 2007 1:32:06 pm
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#2 Posted by Kulharee on May 22, 2007 12:33:51 pm
Ambassador Sahib, with all due respect, very moving and motivational speech, but is it fair to pin the blame on the young generation for the faults of their elders? When you plant a tomato seedling, you get tomatoes (in most countries).
#1 Posted by echoboom on May 22, 2007 12:08:35 pm
This is what happened
The rot set in when the first Cantonment Kutta took over...buyt some say that this kutta , who was not liked by Jinnah, had already started his scheme to get rid of East Pakistan from day one.
The 1953 Korean war brought a lot of prosperity and it was not considered opportunistic to get rid of ``those pesky bengalies`` then.
Those ``pesky`` bengalies were really the brain , and in majority too!, to not let these Cantonment & Civil Lines type ( goray kay ghulaam, Mcaulay kaay haraami pillay and SirRy Syed kay sanpoliyay) do what they like to do..run their own fiefdom..a la Nawabi style.
Scxhemes were hatched so that the Revenue ( after Jute was no longer needed as cash crop..due to Dow Chemicals) would then only be used to glorify & glamourise Islamabad.
No wonder the great bengali mind wrote `` Appreciating the beauty & prosperity of Pakistan in Islamabad, I bowed down, to kiss the earth, kissed the gleaming asphalt of my motherland.
It was then that I realised of the smell of Jute coming out of the shining roads of Islamabad.
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