What about Bombay 1992?

Re: # 134
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The moslems had started the riot in 1992 in Mumbai, with the idea that Mumbai people ( like typical city folks in India, unorganised) will succumb to the Islamic barbarism. The who's who of the muslim front was Dawood Ebrahim ( now in the list of International terrirists and is hiding in Pakistan), Anis Ibrahim, Chhota Shakeel etc... All were underworld dons, living lavishly with the help of extortion money and illegal activities (smuggling from Dubai). Police, under the patronage of Congress never brought these thugs under book.
When Mumbaikars, after the initial shock, organised under Shiv Sena and paid back the moslems with the same coin, these moslem heroes shown clean pair of heels. Their initial destination was Dubai.
Congress was in power and they have allowed these islamists/thugs shelter and protection from not being persecuted. When, people of Mumbai organised under Siv sena, Congress had failed to protect them.
Ask any Mumbai commenr, they will narrate the actual story. Siv sena swept to power after the riots.

Re: # 159
Hindutva hyenas, and Jewish geniuses can bash Islam, Muslims, and the Holy Prophet to their own orgasmic satisfaction.

ANs: People does not believe in mere words. The problem Islam is creating for thousands of years in different parts of world are now available to everybody. So, these incidents are not thought as exception or isolation. Information about London Bombing, Madrid Bombing, French Riot etc. now available to all of US. So, the stench of Islam is now properly felt by all ( from USA to Thailand). Thanks to media revolution. When, we used to see large scale non moslem migration from Bangladesh or Kashmiri pundits, we used to take this from political angle ( at least our so called secular leaders used to provide that angle only. Media used to be controlled). What pride you get from being part of barbaric identity and furthermore defend the barbarism? Does people of UK, Spain, USA, Thailand are jews and they are all conspiring with Indians against Islam?

The raving lunatic Okhla is lying about everything (except chowk censoring my articles) in the below reproduced BS diatribe, in fact it is quite pathetic that idiots like him have to invent bs to discredit my quite well established, well argued posts....like Madani sahib said these bastar** are just jealous because they cannot approach my posts except by inventing lies. Btw nobody deported me from the US or fired me from any US university, I came back to Pakistan of my own volition, away from the land of cheerful morons like okhla, slaves yet happy in their enslavement....Now go eff off okhla....

Masadi you creep !!!! (Utterly & Completely Respected)

So you are still trying to spread your bullshyte notions that have been rejected by the rest of the civilized world!!!!

Will you never learn ???

Don't you remember the hiding you got on faithfreedom.org( at the hands of Ali) ???

Don't you remember the disciplinary meetings in the US University just before they deported you in spite of your pleadings???

Don't you remember your abject surrender and begging/whining tone in which you implored for a second chance to be allowed to stay in the US????

Don't you remember the unceremonious manner in which you were comprehensively rejected and kicked out of the US??

Don't you remember the impish grin on the face of the US immigration (INS) official as you were dragged kicking and screaming to the airplane????

Don't you remember the "evil" students in your Pakistani college who made open mockery of the ideas you tried to teach them???

Don't you remember the management committee meeting which unanimously declared you "unfit" to train young Pakistani students???

Don't you remember how you were thrown out of that college and the security staff alerted to never let you enter again ???

Don't you remember how all your pleadings for "outstanding claims" were met with derisive laughter???

Don't you remember how the Chowk staff has consistently refused to publish your bullshyte articles???

Don't you remember how even lulu.com would not accept your "works" any more???

And now, you have found a one-man audience in the intelligent MADani.

Perhaps now you have reached the peak of your career.

Rejoice in your success.....

#162 Posted by IB on August 17, 2007 2:42:03 pm


they dealt with a man in uniform in Pakistan who had been remarkably flexible in dealing with the issue of Kashmir – President Mushraff


It's not a concession when you agree to give up something you don't have..India agreeing to withdraw from Siachen, a place it actually controls, is a concession...

Stuka yes, its a federation, different states have more or less religious overtones. But its not an atheist coutry by any standards, just ask the homosexuals. They cant get married in most states just because they may not be monotheist, monotheist rules are held as mandatory for ALL inculding atheists and nonbelievers

The Pledge of Allegiance

Original adopted October 12, 1892, 'Columbus Day'.
"I pledge allegiance to my flag and to the republic for which it stands: one nation UNDER GOD indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
Amended in 1954, during the Cold War McCarthyism, at the request of Christian and anti-Communist groups to include "under God" The use of a capitalized 'G' in 'God" is commonly considered the specific Judeo-Christian god.
The use of 'God' may disclude all non Judeo-Christian believers, as well as polytheists .

Arkansas
"No person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in the civil departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in any court."
Article 19, sect. 1 of the 1874 constitution

North Carolina
"The following persons shall be disqualified for office: First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God...." Constitution Article 6 Section 8

South Carolina
"No person shall be eligible to the office of Governor who denies the existence of the Supreme Being..."
Article 4 Section 2

Tennessee
"No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this state." Bill of Rights: Article 9 Section 4

"In God We Trust", congress declared national motto

Salim:

"There is a symbiotic relationship between lunatic Muslims and even more stupid news media hungry to portray ALL Muslims in the worst possible light."

Absolutely, any suggestions how media can be made to give more "dog bites man" kind of news?

You are absolutely right – when you say about the vacuum which needs to be filled and there is not just lack of trust between the two but a sense of misgivings as well.

I do understand where India is coming from about the lack of trust – Kargil has been the ‘stabber’, there is no doubt about it but since then lot of water has passed and today we live in a different world .
The possibility of war between India and Pakistan has diminished post-Pokran / Chaggi and Kargil and the military establishment on both sides (especially Pakistani) has learned that war of any sort (conventional, limited and proxy) is not acceptable and as far as I understand the statements coming from Indian Army high-ups are the same.
The Confidence Building Measures had been a success and the cross border infiltration from Pakistani side is at halt – agree or not it’s an achievement.
Trade between us has increased 400% over the last 3-5 years and recently Indian Prime Minister has allowed imports of Pakistani cement into India – while Pakistani govt. has allowed Indian Cotton Bails imports into Pakistan apart from sugar.
Pakistani(s) are only concerned about Indian Government’s involvement in Afghanistan which some hawks in Pakistani establishment use as an excuse to sometimes change policies at the right time.
I seriously believe that Indian(s) has lost a chance – they dealt with a man in uniform in Pakistan who had been remarkably flexible in dealing with the issue of Kashmir – President Mushraff ( I agree he was the chief planner of Kargil War – he’s like one of those hunters who turn into conservationist when they realize there mistakes ) .
Indians should have shown a bigger heart. It’s heartening to see even the ruling and so-called hawkish J&K leaders Farukh Abdullah opening criticizing Indian govt. stance and calling for at one time – a separate state of J&K. Kashmir should be addressed. There has been realization among the Pakistani masses that India will never gave Kashmir to Pakistan – so they are now prepared to settle for a separate state and so are the Indians (they talk about joint control).
As far as Bombay Bombing is concerned – normal people get effected with all this and at times we tend to argue on chowk for the sake of arguments – which is unethical and like playing over the dead bodies of not just those who died in Bombay but people who died of terrorist activities anywhere be it Bombay, Karachi or anywhere.
I hope for the best - !

addu
1. christianity is the state religion in ameirca too ...which means in the same way as pakistan there is a supremacy of one God, idolatory is not considered equal to monotheism.


No, its not.

IB, we can and should negotiate, of course! That water arrangement thing has worked pretty well. But what I do suspect is that India and Pakistan will never agree on who is being just and who is being unjust. And what to do with people who are very very unjust.

Not a big deal. Just a possibility to keep in mind. As GT suggested, so long as both sides keep themselves constantly ready for any and all eventualities, they must certainly do everything they can to reduce tensions (as much as necessary, without sacrificing their short-term and long-term interests).

As a man of war, this lay person's caution is the least you would expect. :)
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Cool, GT! :)

DM #154 {".., an Imam in Kolkata on Friday declared "unlimited reward" on the head of Taslima Nasreen, ...
Speaking at a rally after the Friday prayers, Syed Mohammed Noorur Rahman Barkati, imam of the Tipu Sultan Shahi Masjid, also demanded that the writer be deported from the country in a month.
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"If our demand is not met, there will be an unlimited cash reward for whosoever kills her."}

DM Sahib,
These lunatic mullahs know exactly how to grab the limelight and expose themselves to the largest world audience. Does anybody have a record of how many such "unlimited cash rewards" have actually ever been paid?

There is a symbiotic relationship between lunatic Muslims and even more stupid news media hungry to portray ALL Muslims in the worst possible light.

If the news is boring for the day, just wait for Zawahairy or Been Laid to provide an audio, or better a video, so that right-wing foaming-at-the-mouth talk show hosts, electronic Aya Toolas, Hindutva hyenas, and Jewish geniuses can bash Islam, Muslims, and the Holy Prophet to their own orgasmic satisfaction.

Kaal it is more than trust :) ... the quote is very similar to that in a poster pasted all over new Spain by a Habsburg king! I shall put is up sometime for you :)

Re: # 149Yaar – although it’s a snide comment to make – but nevertheless I am will answer it with utter most honest.

Yaar it’s actually a world-wide phenomenon – you fight and fight & then fight again but eventually you talk and resolve your issues. Pakistani Establishment (Army – and I am being very candid about my feelings) has learned the lesson.
Organizations and Countries like LTTE, IRA, Taliban(s), Rabanni, Northern Alliance, North Koreans, Persians, South Koreans, Taiwanese, Chinese, Russians, Palestinians, Israelis, Syrians, Libyans, and Americans have learned the lesson of negotiating and resolving there issues – amicably ; I find it hard as to why can’t we Pakistanis and Indians?
On my part – I want peace with India which is durable – with a open heart . Nothing to loose and I am sure things will improve in time to come.
Cheers.

GT, unfortunately all systems work just that way...they are built on trust, that trust is betrayed, and systems crumble.

Smarter systems build in checks and balances, repair and renewal mechanisms etc. Still, to go back to IB, I suspect the question is valid (as it is valid asking all parties looking for 'cooperation'): what follows, in their own worldviews, after the 'cooperation?'

It's one thing to be deceived, or even to run into bad people, quite another not to even bother with "due diligence" in any situation. :)

Kaal:

"They begin to talk about trust and cooperation in vacuum (it may also be deliberately downplayed by people who wish to take advantage, in an unfair sense - when they say: trust us! We mean no harm.)"

Yes, let me restate. The liberal elites proposed "Trust us, we will do the best for you. You do not need to get into complicated questions regarding the state etc. For that you need to go to Cambridge and know English. So just leave it to us. We know best."

This patronage system worked for a while ... how long more will it work? I see it crumbling.

This is what feed Islamophobia among Indians - and not only among the Hindus:

Imam puts 'unlimited reward' on Taslima's head

August 17, 2007 19:10 IST


Charging her with defaming Islam and the Prophet, an Imam in Kolkata on Friday declared "unlimited reward" on the head of Taslima Nasreen, the controversial Bangladeshi writer. Taslima was attacked in Hyderabad last week.

Speaking at a rally after the Friday prayers, Syed Mohammed Noorur Rahman Barkati, imam of the Tipu Sultan Shahi Masjid, also demanded that the writer be deported from the country in a month.

"If our demand is not met, there will be an unlimited cash reward for whosoever kills her. The United Progressive Alliance government at the Centre and the Left Front government in the state will be responsible for the consequences," he told the gathering at Esplanade, in Kolkata.

'If you harbour Taslima and Rushdie in India, then drive away all the Muslims from this country,' a banner at the rally said.

Alleging that Taslima had exposed Indian Muslims to ridicule and contempt, the imam threatened to organise a road block in front of the writer's residence in Kolkata after the month of Ramzan.

Majidulla Khan, political spokesman of the Mazlis Bachao Committee, Hyderabad, also spoke. Taslima was attacked by Majlis Ittehadul Muslimeen members in Hyderabad during a book launch on August 9.

UNI