Tallat Abid September 17, 2007
#9 Posted by Shah2 on September 21, 2007 10:07:44 am
http://youtube.com/watch?v=9I9Z_ofv0so
Dev Sab on Simi grewals show....long and
from "the horses mouth "
Dev Sab on Simi grewals show....long and
from "the horses mouth "
#8 Posted by jayp on September 20, 2007 3:11:20 am
Here is another lefacy of the hero worship of gaznavis.
from dawn of today
"Corrupt and dishonest people are no longer looked down upon. They are actually respected.... To give a respectable gloss to their ill-gotten wealth, they perform Haj and Umrah, visit the holy shrines of Sufis, give donations to madressahs, mosques and charitable organisations, and end up being highly respectable citizens with an aura of outward religiosity to impress the people with their piety.
These religious rituals and ceremonies help the elite class to integrate with the people and influence them with its generosity. Paradoxically, along with the show of their religious enthusiasm, traders are busy adulterating food and raising the prices of their commodities, doctors charge exorbitant fees from patients while bureaucrats are busy in their own way. Hypocrisy is on the rise and there is not much of a conflict worth the name between good and evil.
This is what our heroes have bequeathed us in 60 years. Yet we continue to worship them, and nobody ever criticises them for their role. If history remains static, how can we create new ideas and thoughts? There is need to assess the very foundation of this country and make an attempt to develop a new basis on which to build our destiny. If we continue with the same old hackneyed ideas, it would be disastrous to say the least.
from dawn of today
"Corrupt and dishonest people are no longer looked down upon. They are actually respected.... To give a respectable gloss to their ill-gotten wealth, they perform Haj and Umrah, visit the holy shrines of Sufis, give donations to madressahs, mosques and charitable organisations, and end up being highly respectable citizens with an aura of outward religiosity to impress the people with their piety.
These religious rituals and ceremonies help the elite class to integrate with the people and influence them with its generosity. Paradoxically, along with the show of their religious enthusiasm, traders are busy adulterating food and raising the prices of their commodities, doctors charge exorbitant fees from patients while bureaucrats are busy in their own way. Hypocrisy is on the rise and there is not much of a conflict worth the name between good and evil.
This is what our heroes have bequeathed us in 60 years. Yet we continue to worship them, and nobody ever criticises them for their role. If history remains static, how can we create new ideas and thoughts? There is need to assess the very foundation of this country and make an attempt to develop a new basis on which to build our destiny. If we continue with the same old hackneyed ideas, it would be disastrous to say the least.
#7 Posted by MantoLives on September 19, 2007 2:29:16 am
Jayp... that pathetic insecure statement of yours is not even worth a comment.
#6 Posted by jayp on September 19, 2007 2:07:29 am
There is no doubt that myths guide a nation. It is the myth of Gandhi that makes ex-president Kalaam an eternal india hero, who left the presidential palace with two suitcases in hand.
It is the myth of the gaznavi who stole from the somanath temple a pak hero that makes Benazir who has billions in swiss banks a pak hero waiting for her return, so is Nawaz who was exiled with 50 suit cases of personnel belongings apert from the billions in banks.
It is the adolation of gaznavi that makes amassing of wealth what ever be the means a non issue in pakistan, and people admire them.
It is the myth of the gaznavi who stole from the somanath temple a pak hero that makes Benazir who has billions in swiss banks a pak hero waiting for her return, so is Nawaz who was exiled with 50 suit cases of personnel belongings apert from the billions in banks.
It is the adolation of gaznavi that makes amassing of wealth what ever be the means a non issue in pakistan, and people admire them.
#5 Posted by MantoLives on September 19, 2007 1:57:09 am
The lengths some Indians go to prove the greatness of the racist casteist hindu fascist bigot Gandhi to li'l old me is amazing.
#4 Posted by jayp on September 19, 2007 1:33:27 am
Gandhi and Jinnah, fight for the minds
from hindustan times of today
Port-of-Spain: A book on Mahatma Gandhi by a Trinidadian has raised a new debate on the relevance of Gandhian philosophy in the 21st century.
Darryl Naranjit's "Truth and Power: Gandhi's Political Philosophy" gives a cogent analysis of the political, economic, social and spiritual strategies of Gandhi in his quest for equality for the Blacks and Indians in South Africa. It also studies Gandhi's struggle in India and how he helped to dismantle the British empire.
In the introduction to the book, published by Just World Publications, Naranjit says: "Underneath the simple words and phrases (of Gandhi) that appear almost as platitudes, there is a meaning, a philosophy that challenges modern Western Thought at its core. This book is written as an attempt to uncover the meanings hidden in those simple words and phrases."
The above item indicates the universal and timeless relevance of Gandhi to the world.
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response by YLH,
There are people. bigoted people all over teh world in praise of gandhi. It does not mean that relevance of jinnah has declined. and I quote
" I have been responsible for the complete segregation of the muslims and christians in dafore sudan and i have been inspired by the notion of two nation theory that has created a new country where hindus and muslims have lived together for centuries. I have a photo of jinnah in my bedroom".
Quote from " inventing a new nation", Sufi and sufi press, Khartoum, sudan 2007, Ali bin Sudani, leader of jangvi militia.
from hindustan times of today
Port-of-Spain: A book on Mahatma Gandhi by a Trinidadian has raised a new debate on the relevance of Gandhian philosophy in the 21st century.
Darryl Naranjit's "Truth and Power: Gandhi's Political Philosophy" gives a cogent analysis of the political, economic, social and spiritual strategies of Gandhi in his quest for equality for the Blacks and Indians in South Africa. It also studies Gandhi's struggle in India and how he helped to dismantle the British empire.
In the introduction to the book, published by Just World Publications, Naranjit says: "Underneath the simple words and phrases (of Gandhi) that appear almost as platitudes, there is a meaning, a philosophy that challenges modern Western Thought at its core. This book is written as an attempt to uncover the meanings hidden in those simple words and phrases."
The above item indicates the universal and timeless relevance of Gandhi to the world.
////////////////////////////
response by YLH,
There are people. bigoted people all over teh world in praise of gandhi. It does not mean that relevance of jinnah has declined. and I quote
" I have been responsible for the complete segregation of the muslims and christians in dafore sudan and i have been inspired by the notion of two nation theory that has created a new country where hindus and muslims have lived together for centuries. I have a photo of jinnah in my bedroom".
Quote from " inventing a new nation", Sufi and sufi press, Khartoum, sudan 2007, Ali bin Sudani, leader of jangvi militia.
#3 Posted by jayp on September 19, 2007 1:24:27 am
Tallat,
Use the correct terminology, it is not self talk, it is called internal dialogue, and it goes on all the time. When the mind is silent, that is what teh meditations are all about, one is in communion with the soul. When the internal dialogue is loud and others can hear, they are called nutters, but for all others the internal dialogue goes on and that is what continously validates our view of teh world. When that changes, the person changes.
It is true that this process is valid at a collective level also, especially in the economic field, and a lot of the IT success of india is due to the hype created. There is nothing wrong with it, it is the cultural symbols and myths that drive mankind.
All the paki bashing that goes on teh chowk is primarily intended to sink any sane pakistani into despair. The pak news papers are also doing a good job, with abolutely no positive news items.
Use the correct terminology, it is not self talk, it is called internal dialogue, and it goes on all the time. When the mind is silent, that is what teh meditations are all about, one is in communion with the soul. When the internal dialogue is loud and others can hear, they are called nutters, but for all others the internal dialogue goes on and that is what continously validates our view of teh world. When that changes, the person changes.
It is true that this process is valid at a collective level also, especially in the economic field, and a lot of the IT success of india is due to the hype created. There is nothing wrong with it, it is the cultural symbols and myths that drive mankind.
All the paki bashing that goes on teh chowk is primarily intended to sink any sane pakistani into despair. The pak news papers are also doing a good job, with abolutely no positive news items.
#2 Posted by KaalChakra on September 18, 2007 1:54:56 pm
This is brilliant. One always suspects that a nation's psychology is so very much like an individual person's own psychology but to label a nation's public discourse as its self talk is a masterstroke. Opens so many avenues of thinking!
#1 Posted by Shah2 on September 18, 2007 1:39:11 pm
This Soliloque may be due to hearing something ..like Schizophrenia.
psychiatry is very tricky thing .
You can put some sane person in assylum or Jail.If you want to get rid of him
psychiatry is very tricky thing .
You can put some sane person in assylum or Jail.If you want to get rid of him
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