Pakistan's Universities - Problems and Solutions

They say about computers - garbage in garbage out; and same goes for the systems, such as educational system in Pakistan. What Pervez highlighted in his articles was stating the obvious. Actually, Pervez did not say any thing about the root cause: a student, almost by default, would refer to the text book if that's what the student did through out his/her academic years. There are no text books taught from class zero in developed countries' qualification frameworks! Also, what is obvious from the Pervez articles the fact that no one can bring reforms without 'people' - right people. What HEC or anyone for that matter can do to improve things in the education sector of Pakistan other than utlising what any body can access in Pakistan with regards to human resources. Bringning alien teachers will not solve the problem unless the aliens are brough just about on every level - elementary to the higher level.

I do not want to take the credit of good work away from the HEC personnel. They have doen many good things but the results are only representative of the community they are dealing with.

Did any one ever notice what happened to the matric pass students many years ago who could not get admission in any tertiary college due to poor marks? Well they all went to to do PTC course followed by a CT course and starting teaching to whom there was any glimmer of hope - our children!!!

Anyways, I personally think where Pervez has been really good in outlining the ussue, especially with regards to the research publications, he was equally harsh rather diverting the issue politically and getting no where eventually. I am sure that the days will come when our Ph. D. scholars will learn to research and publish original work Insha Allah.

It doesnt mean that we have less intelligent people here but the point is promotion of wrong culture.

The culture of promoting importance of degrees is not healthy for a nation .If it has to stand on firm grounds.

Any ways there are people who are sincere to their goal .They are genuinely interested in doing reasearch & they are also getting benefit from HEC policies.So I cant totally ignore their efforts .

In my opinion HEC is just increasing the number of PhDs .As now in all universities here in Pakistan the promotion of teachers is dependent on having the PhD degree.Therefore there is a race to get it.Emphasis is not on quality but on just getting a piece of paper to claim qualification.This kind of environment is forcing others also to follow the foot steps of seniors .As no body wants to be left behind .

Plus the monetary benefits associated with all research programs is a big attraction .Due to this all who have no job yet are taking admissions to enroll for PhD and M.Phil programs.

Re: # 194
I Indian context...
Low caste does not mean low in IQ. The culture of using brain more for constructive purpose has to be culminated ( a typical boy/girl in middle class Brahmin family will start the morning with books and that continues until the boy/girl go to bed. In between take bath, play, go to school, take food etc...). I have couple of friends from reserved community.Just for lack of awareness and guidence (family culture), they had failed to produce proper result in exams. For moslems, we need to keep away islam out off the person.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VW3abjIUgQ

This poetry I have read in my school days.

What Pakistan needs is an Institute of Learning Disability and a Commission On Low IQ. The commission will investigate the causes of Low Pakistani IQ. The institute will research new ways to teach advanced topics to dumb people. India should do the same. Both countries need such institutes and commissions. India especially. Because it has a sizable Muslim and low caste population.

philo,

OK, I read #807, but fail to see what’s bothering you now.

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Eklavya,

You still seem upset about our previous interact. Sorry, didn’t mean to offend you …

Anyway, do read #182 from your boss (grin) … but feel free to continue kissing his rear. Hey, if it works for you, who am I to argue?

Re: # 191
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina40928p14.htm
Nice explanation....

Re: # 190 nkg ["... post this in any jokes ..."]

Sir/Madam

This is no joke. This is what our scholarly brothers in Iran have deduced from authentic photographic data collected by NASA. I didn't make it up myself. Go check it out here:

http://islamicvoice.com/November2007/TheMuslimWorld/?PHPSESSID=731e6ee2 39994da62538bd0725

It's the fifth item from the top. Two items below the Halal vaccine for Meningitis

...SR

Re: # 178

NASA Photos Prove Splitting of Moon

Tehran


Ans: Please post this in any jokes website.
A revolving body like moon can not be kept in its shape by joining two hemispheres... Is this moon theory, collected from Quoran? Then that must be a ultimate joke book ( better than santa-banta comedy).

Re: # 182
Hindus seem to have evolved from a really smelly species of apes.

:-) ha ha ha!!!!
Like Hindus are violent intolerent and islam is peaceful religion and they stay harmonious with others in countries like Britain, India, Gernmany, France, Thailand, Burma. Mo was very virtuous person (battle of Badr, raping 6 year old girl at the age of 53).
Keep it up....

#187 Posted by mohar11 on February 3, 2008 11:20:02 am


Zeemax - that looks like a "club class" super luxury flight


yup...club gitmo...water sports free...(mostly waterboarding)

Zeemax - that looks like a "club class" super luxury flight, doesn't it? a lot of leg space, ha ha ... and completely free, too...

HAHA...reality..

Ethnic minority employment gap remains significant in UK
London, Feb 2, IRNA

UK Minorities-Employment
The gap between the employment rate for the ethnic minorities and the general population in the UK remains significant and could take another 30 years to close, a government watchdog warned Friday.

The National Audit Office (NAO) found that the employment rate was only 60 per cent among the country's 10 per cent ethnic minority population, compared with 74 per cent for the general population, just 1.3 percentage points lower than the gap in 1987.

"The reality is that over recent years, while there has been a slow but steady improvement, the overall reduction in the employment gap has been modest," the auditor general said.

He warned that unless the Department for Work and Pension (DWP), which is responsible for helping people into employment, is prepared to do more to reach out to the ethnic minority communities, "prospects for increasing their employment rate remain bleak."
The DWP's strategy was found to be fragmented and lacking continuity, adversely affecting efforts to reduce ethnic minority unemployment.

The gap was said to be costing Britain's economy Pnds 8.6 billion (Dlrs 17 bn) each year and reasons included ethnic minorities facing discrimination and unequal treatment.

The country's ethnic minority population is diverse and widely spread with the biggest concentration in London, but the highest unemployment rate is among Muslims, with only 44 per cent of Bangladeshis and 47 per cent of Pakistanis having jobs.

This compared with 69 per cent of Indians,66 per cent of Black Caribbeans and 62 per cent Black Africans who performed better in the labour market.

For most ethnic groups, the employment rate for women was also well below that of the employment rate for men. Currently, 69 per cent of ethnic minority men are employed compared with 51 per cent of ethnic minority women.

Again Bangladeshi and Pakistani women were confirmed as having the lowest employment rates overall, and the largest employment rate differences between males and females, with differences of 36 per cent and 38 per cent respectively.

Despite the high achievements of some, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis were also shown to be most likely to be unqualified, with 30 per cent and 37 per cent having no qualification compared to 14 per cent for the overall population.

this is how brit-pakis like zeemax and ally can close the income gap with brit-indians...and the 47% to 69% employment gap...

no...not education...more welfare...

Multiple wives will mean multiple benefits

By Jonathan Wynne-Jones
Last Updated: 2:36am GMT 03/02/2008

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Husbands with multiple wives have been given the go-ahead to claim extra welfare benefits following a year-long Government review, The Sunday Telegraph can reveal.
# Have your say: Should multiple wives get recognition from the state?

Even though bigamy is a crime in Britain, the decision by ministers means that polygamous marriages can now be recognised formally by the state, so long as the weddings took place in countries where the arrangement is legal.
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The outcome will chiefly benefit Muslim men with more than one wife, as is permitted under Islamic law. Ministers estimate that up to a thousand polygamous partnerships exist in Britain, although they admit there is no exact record.

The decision has been condemned by the Tories, who accused the Government of offering preferential treatment to a particular group, and of setting a precedent that would lead to demands for further changes in British law.

New guidelines on income support from the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) state: "Where there is a valid polygamous marriage the claimant and one spouse will be paid the couple rate ... The amount payable for each additional spouse is presently £33.65."

Income support for all of the wives may be paid directly into the husband's bank account, if the family so choose. Under the deal agreed by ministers, a husband with multiple wives may also be eligible for additional housing benefit and council tax benefit to reflect the larger property needed for his family.

The ruling could cost taxpayers millions of pounds. Ministers launched a review of the benefit rules for polygamous marriages in November 2006, after it emerged that some families had benefited financially.

Haha ... mirchi!

long haul? you mean this one...