Feroz Qutabshahi September 4, 2008
#245 Posted by fmshah on December 18, 2008 8:28:40 pm
WAR FOR TERROR MOTIVES by FM Shah
“There is nothing more difficult to carry out, nor more doubtful of success, nor more dangerous to handle, than to initiate a new order of things.�
NICCOLO MACHIAVELLI
US initial official motive of WAR FOR TERROR was bringing evil forces like Al-Qaeada and master minds of 9/11 to justice. This motive was later on changed to fight for democracy and liberty against dark forces of Taliban and extremism. USA critics have stated various motives of WAR FOR TERROR which vary from Iraq/Afghanistan occupation, sectarian/regional violence, oil monopoly, denuclearization of Pakistan, map redrawing of Pakistan and clash of civilization. However WAR FOR TERROR architects will try their best to conceal the real motives till final conclusion and achievements of their objectives. At the same time, Pakistan state and its establishment has tailored US official version WAR FOR TERROR for its own interests. These interests vary from economic aid, military hardware, legitimacy and opportunities for corruption loot/plunder, dealing with iron hand to any political, economic issues, crisis or rival.
US banks and financial markets during last century have been designed and structured around cycles of wars, chaos and violence across the globe away from US mainland. Starting with WW I (initiated by Non-state agents), each US recession/depression alternate with some war in some other part of the world away from US main land. USA during last century planned thoroughly and laid the necessary groundwork for the growth of the most powerful defense/aerospace industry worth trillion dollars. As a result if we sum up today technological might of US, it includes only Banking/Finance, IT and Defense/Aerospace Industry. In these industries US firms have monopoly and do not have ant parallel/equal competitor in whole world (including G8 countries). Each war, conflict or crisis creates direct consumption for US defense/aerospace industry. Each war/crisis is followed by construction and public work, which is mostly done by US firms/cartels. Examples are Europe (after WW II) and Iraq reconstruction recently. Each war, conflict and map redrawing has created new US dependant states. Examples are Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Saudi Arabia is depended on USA for last seven decades for all external and internal threats. Pakistan during its existence for last six decades is dependant on USA for military hardware and financial aid due to similar on going wars, crisis and breeding violence across its Western and Eastern borders. Wars, crisis and violence also create favorable and monopolistic business/trade conditions for most of US firms and MNCs. Similarly wars, violence and crisis also result flow of capital from whole globe to US main land, which has remained safe from any war, violence and crisis during last century. Whereas US has been remained direct/indirect sponsor and actor in each war, violence and crisis during last one century. Therefore wars act as agents for pulling US economy out of recession due to enhanced public spending, reconstruction work after war and preferential monopolies over trade/resource. Transparency international Bribe payers index 2002, ranks defence industry as the 2nd most corrupt business sector- just ahead of oil and gas sector but behind the public works and construction sectors. On domestic front, wars also divert attention from structural flaws in US economic/financial system. Unemployment and inflation in US reached record heights during great depression of 1930s. Great depression was followed by World War II (in 1940s). Similarly in economic recession, US embarked wars and adventures away from main land like Korean, Vietnam and Kuwait Wars. (For relationship between US economic depression and Wars, kindly refer to Fig 4.4 Page 73 & Fig 6.6 Page 116. The Economy Today-8th Edition by Professor Bradley Schiller).
Oil is traded in dollars and most of the Arab oil dollars are saved in US banks considered to be safe havens. WAR FOR TERROR resulted turmoil and chaos in Arab countries, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. This turmoil escalated oil and commodities prices exponentially during last several years. Hence WAR FOR TERROR was indispensable and crucial bailout package for US Banks and Financial Markets. As an example Pakistan oil import bill was US $ 2 Billion in 2000 whereas in 2007 Pakistan oil import bill shoot upto US $ 12 Billion. So in this way additional US $ 10 Billion were diverted to US Banks and financial markets through Arabs from Pakistan economy. Just consider oil import for whole world and billions/trillions US $ directed from the whole globe toward US banks due to escalating oil prices. Without WAR FOR TERROR and oil price escalation US Banks and Financial Markets would have been failed much earlier than 2008. Moreover required bailout package would have been much greater than US $ 700 Billion. Recent decline in oil prices after US bank bailout package also give an idea about structural flaw in US banking/financial markets and its dependency on oil dollars. At domestic front, fear environment of WAR FOR TERROR also made US $ 700 billion unobjectionable to US Taxpayers. Similarly after Arab-Isreal 1973 and Kuwait War oil prices escalated, which helped US banking systems and financial markets. WAR FOR TERROR regional turmoil had also resulted drag on US rival economies of China, Russia, India, Arab and Iran. These countries are almost half of the globe. As US economy was unable to remain competitive and correct its own structural gaps. Therefore WAR FOR TERROR was initiated for restricting and limiting US rival economies growth. Hence the basic motivation of WAR FOR TERROR is chaos and anarchy in the whole globe through Islam and Muslim regions which are safest, vulnerable and easiest targets for US. Other various factors ranging from Al-Qaeada, Taliban, extremism, violence, oil monopoly, denuclearization of Pakistan, map redrawing of Pakistan and civilization clash are not root causes of WAR FOR TERROR rather these all are natural outcome/effects of the WAR FOR TERROR. Therefore these are secondary in nature and mostly misleading. As an example if there is car accident due to brake failure. After accident wind screen, complete body and wheel steering system are damaged. Now in this case wheel steering system is not the root cause rather it is affect of the occurrence.
Pakistan political, defense decision makers’ and military commanders committed suicide by joining US WAR FOR TERROR for saving Pakistan from direct US confrontation and carpet bombing. PPP political leadership in Islamabad is claiming that during last seven years, WAR FOR TERROR has become Pakistan war for state survival. These claims, doubts, fears, conspiracies and assertions have been debated at multiple levels in Media, parliament and mass level. Various explanations, justifications, motives and reasons are presented for WAR FOR TERROR. Disinformation/disorientation campaigns for local/international establishment agenda has increased exponentially during recent times. Such disinformation/disorientation campaigns are paid, sponsored and engineered by local/international establishment for creating justification of ethnic cleansing of Tribal Pathans on one hand by Army and other side by US Drones. Pakistani press/electronic media like establishment considers/present themselves as CHAMPIONS OF TRUTH, DEMOCRASY, and JUSTICE. Various anchors pretend asking tough/hard questions and saving Pakistan from Western/India. However media at best are manipulating and comprising the truth by showing half picture of crisis. Most of the time media avoid context and conceal motives of the ongoing crisis and chaos in Pakistan. Media can never tip-toe out of the false perception minefield that they have allowed themselves to be lured into by the CIA, Pakistani ruling establishment and architects of WAR FOR TERROR. TV Anchors most of the times are bounded by policy, life threats, job fears, temptations, easy going attitude, incompetence and lack of quality research on social science. Any TV channel prime motivation is money, revenue, coverage, ads and sponsors not truth. As an example, Media have never been able to ask simple questions about worst case scenario if Pakistan is invaded by US just like Iraq/Afghanistan. Are there any war plans for such worst case scenario? Will Pakistanis suffer same fate of Abu Gharaib and Bagram Jail? Avoiding confrontation with US is understood, however it does not exempt Pakistan State and Armed Forces from preparing War Plans for emerging war threat similar to Iraq/Afghan. In 1990s, none in whole Islamic world could imagine about possible US occupation of Afghanistan. However it is almost impossible to fight two wars simultaneously, thousands miles away from mainland, without military and strategic planning spanning over decades. One of best known example is 1967 Arab-Israel War. Israel Air Forces were practicing offensive air operation against Arab since 1957 for almost 12 years. Whereas Arab Media and their puppet leadership were sleeping like prostitutes.
Now question arise will dramas similar to so called terrorism 9/11 and weapon of mass destruction be staged for invading other countries. Will US invade Pakistan or sponsor civil war in Pakistan. Has India committed suicidal mistake like Pakistan (in September 2001) by joining WAR FOR TERROR for settling scores against Pakistan? Will India be able to pull out itself toward safe/straight policy of Iran or Turkey by not sponsoring civil war along its 1800 KMs long border alongwith Pakistan? These are hard and tough question. It is not possible to precisely answers in white and black. Nonetheless temporary failures/setbacks in Afghanistan or Iraq may only delay US aggressive plans against Pakistan. Pakistan and whole regional actors overall interests should provide the framework for rethinking about evolving philosophy of war and changing enemy/threat perception. Pakistan should prevent conflict/war with US or India as a strategic priority since this would allow concentrating more on socio-economic development.
If you know the enemy and know your self, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself you will succumb in every battle. SUN TZU
Pakistan war plans, threat perception, security policy and defense doctrine have been revolving around India as traditional enemy during last fifty years. It was based on two pronged policy of conventional military buildup and nuclear deterrence. However past fifty years Pakistan conventional threat perception is incompatible with evolving war philosophy and battle planning after 9/11. Iraq and Afghanistan have totally changed war initiation patterns and rules of engagements between various states and non-state actors. Therefore in short term, Pakistan as deterrence should adopt a simple war strategy of Guerilla Warfare for responding to any US design for expanding WAR FOR TERROR into Pakistan. Pakistan have to revamp all its war games/plans accordingly. In long term Pakistan has to gear up its defense policies and boost air power as future wars initiated by hypothetical non state actors will be exclusively between asymmetrical adversaries. This fear of facing US will not only boost our national integrity but in long term it will also add new dimensions and life to our defense industry in private sector and self indigenization. Perception of strong enemy means strong commitments for nation survival and history is full of example where nations excelled only due to fear of some strong enemies just. Further it will send a new form of message to super powers and their policy makers while planning invasion on Pakistan. It will delay any possible aggressive plans against Pakistan. Germans after humiliating defeat and strict restrictions on Defence/Aviation industry as result of WWW I were able to raise quite effective/capable Defence/air power during WWW II supported by its aviation industry based in private sector within short span of 5 to 7 years only. The same engineering and technological base is still helping German industries, which are best in the world. By capturing of only 2 % of world aircraft/Defence market, Pakistan will have foreign exchange worth billions, create thousands jobs and make us self reliant in Arms Power capabilities. After capturing 2 % of the Defence world market, we will not need IMF, World Bank or conquering music, dance and film industry.
The purpose of the article was to discuss the WAR FOR TERROR and options for Pakistan Defence. This discussion is important, most critical, to the future of Pakistan and whole region. It should be reiterated that this is not intended to be a stand-alone study. Rather, these comments and suggestions are meant as a contribution to the continuous work of a doctrine and in particular to respond to evolving philosophy of war and new threat perspective for Pakistan and whole region in terms of economy and security. As such, while the article seeks to highlight issues that were considered to be of the most importance, there is no pretence towards comprehensiveness or detail. However, while it is not possible to get into the nitty gritty of every particular suggestion, attempt were made to define options and solutions at level of detail that underscores the practicality of the suggestion. However, it should be stressed that most important element are the broad directional changes recommended in the article.
In peace prepare for war, in war prepare for peace. The art of war is of vital importance to the state. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence under no circumstances can it be neglected. SUN TZU
“There is nothing more difficult to carry out, nor more doubtful of success, nor more dangerous to handle, than to initiate a new order of things.�
NICCOLO MACHIAVELLI
US initial official motive of WAR FOR TERROR was bringing evil forces like Al-Qaeada and master minds of 9/11 to justice. This motive was later on changed to fight for democracy and liberty against dark forces of Taliban and extremism. USA critics have stated various motives of WAR FOR TERROR which vary from Iraq/Afghanistan occupation, sectarian/regional violence, oil monopoly, denuclearization of Pakistan, map redrawing of Pakistan and clash of civilization. However WAR FOR TERROR architects will try their best to conceal the real motives till final conclusion and achievements of their objectives. At the same time, Pakistan state and its establishment has tailored US official version WAR FOR TERROR for its own interests. These interests vary from economic aid, military hardware, legitimacy and opportunities for corruption loot/plunder, dealing with iron hand to any political, economic issues, crisis or rival.
US banks and financial markets during last century have been designed and structured around cycles of wars, chaos and violence across the globe away from US mainland. Starting with WW I (initiated by Non-state agents), each US recession/depression alternate with some war in some other part of the world away from US main land. USA during last century planned thoroughly and laid the necessary groundwork for the growth of the most powerful defense/aerospace industry worth trillion dollars. As a result if we sum up today technological might of US, it includes only Banking/Finance, IT and Defense/Aerospace Industry. In these industries US firms have monopoly and do not have ant parallel/equal competitor in whole world (including G8 countries). Each war, conflict or crisis creates direct consumption for US defense/aerospace industry. Each war/crisis is followed by construction and public work, which is mostly done by US firms/cartels. Examples are Europe (after WW II) and Iraq reconstruction recently. Each war, conflict and map redrawing has created new US dependant states. Examples are Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. Saudi Arabia is depended on USA for last seven decades for all external and internal threats. Pakistan during its existence for last six decades is dependant on USA for military hardware and financial aid due to similar on going wars, crisis and breeding violence across its Western and Eastern borders. Wars, crisis and violence also create favorable and monopolistic business/trade conditions for most of US firms and MNCs. Similarly wars, violence and crisis also result flow of capital from whole globe to US main land, which has remained safe from any war, violence and crisis during last century. Whereas US has been remained direct/indirect sponsor and actor in each war, violence and crisis during last one century. Therefore wars act as agents for pulling US economy out of recession due to enhanced public spending, reconstruction work after war and preferential monopolies over trade/resource. Transparency international Bribe payers index 2002, ranks defence industry as the 2nd most corrupt business sector- just ahead of oil and gas sector but behind the public works and construction sectors. On domestic front, wars also divert attention from structural flaws in US economic/financial system. Unemployment and inflation in US reached record heights during great depression of 1930s. Great depression was followed by World War II (in 1940s). Similarly in economic recession, US embarked wars and adventures away from main land like Korean, Vietnam and Kuwait Wars. (For relationship between US economic depression and Wars, kindly refer to Fig 4.4 Page 73 & Fig 6.6 Page 116. The Economy Today-8th Edition by Professor Bradley Schiller).
Oil is traded in dollars and most of the Arab oil dollars are saved in US banks considered to be safe havens. WAR FOR TERROR resulted turmoil and chaos in Arab countries, Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. This turmoil escalated oil and commodities prices exponentially during last several years. Hence WAR FOR TERROR was indispensable and crucial bailout package for US Banks and Financial Markets. As an example Pakistan oil import bill was US $ 2 Billion in 2000 whereas in 2007 Pakistan oil import bill shoot upto US $ 12 Billion. So in this way additional US $ 10 Billion were diverted to US Banks and financial markets through Arabs from Pakistan economy. Just consider oil import for whole world and billions/trillions US $ directed from the whole globe toward US banks due to escalating oil prices. Without WAR FOR TERROR and oil price escalation US Banks and Financial Markets would have been failed much earlier than 2008. Moreover required bailout package would have been much greater than US $ 700 Billion. Recent decline in oil prices after US bank bailout package also give an idea about structural flaw in US banking/financial markets and its dependency on oil dollars. At domestic front, fear environment of WAR FOR TERROR also made US $ 700 billion unobjectionable to US Taxpayers. Similarly after Arab-Isreal 1973 and Kuwait War oil prices escalated, which helped US banking systems and financial markets. WAR FOR TERROR regional turmoil had also resulted drag on US rival economies of China, Russia, India, Arab and Iran. These countries are almost half of the globe. As US economy was unable to remain competitive and correct its own structural gaps. Therefore WAR FOR TERROR was initiated for restricting and limiting US rival economies growth. Hence the basic motivation of WAR FOR TERROR is chaos and anarchy in the whole globe through Islam and Muslim regions which are safest, vulnerable and easiest targets for US. Other various factors ranging from Al-Qaeada, Taliban, extremism, violence, oil monopoly, denuclearization of Pakistan, map redrawing of Pakistan and civilization clash are not root causes of WAR FOR TERROR rather these all are natural outcome/effects of the WAR FOR TERROR. Therefore these are secondary in nature and mostly misleading. As an example if there is car accident due to brake failure. After accident wind screen, complete body and wheel steering system are damaged. Now in this case wheel steering system is not the root cause rather it is affect of the occurrence.
Pakistan political, defense decision makers’ and military commanders committed suicide by joining US WAR FOR TERROR for saving Pakistan from direct US confrontation and carpet bombing. PPP political leadership in Islamabad is claiming that during last seven years, WAR FOR TERROR has become Pakistan war for state survival. These claims, doubts, fears, conspiracies and assertions have been debated at multiple levels in Media, parliament and mass level. Various explanations, justifications, motives and reasons are presented for WAR FOR TERROR. Disinformation/disorientation campaigns for local/international establishment agenda has increased exponentially during recent times. Such disinformation/disorientation campaigns are paid, sponsored and engineered by local/international establishment for creating justification of ethnic cleansing of Tribal Pathans on one hand by Army and other side by US Drones. Pakistani press/electronic media like establishment considers/present themselves as CHAMPIONS OF TRUTH, DEMOCRASY, and JUSTICE. Various anchors pretend asking tough/hard questions and saving Pakistan from Western/India. However media at best are manipulating and comprising the truth by showing half picture of crisis. Most of the time media avoid context and conceal motives of the ongoing crisis and chaos in Pakistan. Media can never tip-toe out of the false perception minefield that they have allowed themselves to be lured into by the CIA, Pakistani ruling establishment and architects of WAR FOR TERROR. TV Anchors most of the times are bounded by policy, life threats, job fears, temptations, easy going attitude, incompetence and lack of quality research on social science. Any TV channel prime motivation is money, revenue, coverage, ads and sponsors not truth. As an example, Media have never been able to ask simple questions about worst case scenario if Pakistan is invaded by US just like Iraq/Afghanistan. Are there any war plans for such worst case scenario? Will Pakistanis suffer same fate of Abu Gharaib and Bagram Jail? Avoiding confrontation with US is understood, however it does not exempt Pakistan State and Armed Forces from preparing War Plans for emerging war threat similar to Iraq/Afghan. In 1990s, none in whole Islamic world could imagine about possible US occupation of Afghanistan. However it is almost impossible to fight two wars simultaneously, thousands miles away from mainland, without military and strategic planning spanning over decades. One of best known example is 1967 Arab-Israel War. Israel Air Forces were practicing offensive air operation against Arab since 1957 for almost 12 years. Whereas Arab Media and their puppet leadership were sleeping like prostitutes.
Now question arise will dramas similar to so called terrorism 9/11 and weapon of mass destruction be staged for invading other countries. Will US invade Pakistan or sponsor civil war in Pakistan. Has India committed suicidal mistake like Pakistan (in September 2001) by joining WAR FOR TERROR for settling scores against Pakistan? Will India be able to pull out itself toward safe/straight policy of Iran or Turkey by not sponsoring civil war along its 1800 KMs long border alongwith Pakistan? These are hard and tough question. It is not possible to precisely answers in white and black. Nonetheless temporary failures/setbacks in Afghanistan or Iraq may only delay US aggressive plans against Pakistan. Pakistan and whole regional actors overall interests should provide the framework for rethinking about evolving philosophy of war and changing enemy/threat perception. Pakistan should prevent conflict/war with US or India as a strategic priority since this would allow concentrating more on socio-economic development.
If you know the enemy and know your self, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself you will succumb in every battle. SUN TZU
Pakistan war plans, threat perception, security policy and defense doctrine have been revolving around India as traditional enemy during last fifty years. It was based on two pronged policy of conventional military buildup and nuclear deterrence. However past fifty years Pakistan conventional threat perception is incompatible with evolving war philosophy and battle planning after 9/11. Iraq and Afghanistan have totally changed war initiation patterns and rules of engagements between various states and non-state actors. Therefore in short term, Pakistan as deterrence should adopt a simple war strategy of Guerilla Warfare for responding to any US design for expanding WAR FOR TERROR into Pakistan. Pakistan have to revamp all its war games/plans accordingly. In long term Pakistan has to gear up its defense policies and boost air power as future wars initiated by hypothetical non state actors will be exclusively between asymmetrical adversaries. This fear of facing US will not only boost our national integrity but in long term it will also add new dimensions and life to our defense industry in private sector and self indigenization. Perception of strong enemy means strong commitments for nation survival and history is full of example where nations excelled only due to fear of some strong enemies just. Further it will send a new form of message to super powers and their policy makers while planning invasion on Pakistan. It will delay any possible aggressive plans against Pakistan. Germans after humiliating defeat and strict restrictions on Defence/Aviation industry as result of WWW I were able to raise quite effective/capable Defence/air power during WWW II supported by its aviation industry based in private sector within short span of 5 to 7 years only. The same engineering and technological base is still helping German industries, which are best in the world. By capturing of only 2 % of world aircraft/Defence market, Pakistan will have foreign exchange worth billions, create thousands jobs and make us self reliant in Arms Power capabilities. After capturing 2 % of the Defence world market, we will not need IMF, World Bank or conquering music, dance and film industry.
The purpose of the article was to discuss the WAR FOR TERROR and options for Pakistan Defence. This discussion is important, most critical, to the future of Pakistan and whole region. It should be reiterated that this is not intended to be a stand-alone study. Rather, these comments and suggestions are meant as a contribution to the continuous work of a doctrine and in particular to respond to evolving philosophy of war and new threat perspective for Pakistan and whole region in terms of economy and security. As such, while the article seeks to highlight issues that were considered to be of the most importance, there is no pretence towards comprehensiveness or detail. However, while it is not possible to get into the nitty gritty of every particular suggestion, attempt were made to define options and solutions at level of detail that underscores the practicality of the suggestion. However, it should be stressed that most important element are the broad directional changes recommended in the article.
In peace prepare for war, in war prepare for peace. The art of war is of vital importance to the state. It is a matter of life and death, a road either to safety or to ruin. Hence under no circumstances can it be neglected. SUN TZU
#244 Posted by fmshah on December 18, 2008 8:26:15 pm
Various explanations, justifications, motives and reasons are presented for WAR FOR TERROR. US stated official motive of WAR FOR TERROR is fight against Al-Qaeada, Taliban and extremism. Many corrupt/de-facto colonial third world countries like Pakistan and Indian governments and establishment always tailor US official version WAR FOR TERROR for its own interests. These interests vary from economic aid, military hardware, legitimacy and open liberty for dealing with iron hand to any political, economic issues, crisis or rival.
Al-Qaida is the top secret code name of special covert operations of the U.S. CIA, Israeli Mossad, British SIS, Indian RAW and Pakistani ISI. Al-Qaida is a fake name, an imaginary illusion, a deceptive fraud, a fictitious hoax and a fraudulent scam of the unlawful war for terror, which is still being cunningly and clandestinely supported and promoted by the CIA, Mossad, SIS, RAW, ISI and the Corrupt Mercenary Media (CMM) to frame, blame, defame, harm and kill innocents Pakistanis, Kashmiris, Indians, Afghans, Arabs, Muslims/Hindus and other innocent humans by falsely and maliciously labeling them as the Al-Qaida militants, extremists, or terrorists. Actually, Al-Qaida or Al-CIA-da is the CIA. Al-Qaida is the Mossad. Al-Qaida is the SIS. Al-Qaida is the RAW. Al-Qaida is the ISI. Al-Qaida is the CMM. The CIA, Mossad, SIS, RAW, ISI and the CMM are the real Al-Qaida or 'the Evil 6'. For the sake of international peace, reform or abolish the CIA, Mossad, SIS, RAW and the ISI; oppose and expose the CMM; and end the illegal war of terror now to reduce global terrorism. Indeed, imperialistic military occupation of any country, state, or nation is state terrorism. Civil terror is a natural reaction to government terror."
Al Qaeda and Taliban is an “imaginary force� created by CIA, through which third world countries like Pakistan and Indian governments, ruling elite and establishment interest converge with USA. Pakistan state, military/political ruling elite and establishment have been trapped and addicted to US dollars/support for last fifty seven years. These dollars are shifted to safe havens of same Western Banks, from where these dollars started journey. Hence it’s a zero sum game for Western economic system. It is for the same reason various crises in third world countries are created for commissions and omissions. Third world countries like Pakistan and Indian ruling establishment and state composes of various political, army, economic, business feudal, bureaucratic, metropolis cartels controlling/manipulating various financial and power hubs in like Bombay, Karachi, Lahore and Delhi (all British era colonial metropolis). Rest all masses (99 %) are non state agent and actors. These masses are typical mouse from Mumbai and Karachi. In the local train compartment which has capacity of 100 persons, these mouse travel with 500 more mouse. Mouse at least squeak but they don't even do that.
Pakistani and Indian ruling establishment have been using wild cards like Al Qaeda, Taliban, Sectarian, Ethnic Violence to their advantage. Whenever CIA or Pakistani or Indian ruling establishment wants to kill people or target someone, they send in an Al Qaeda or Taliban cut-out to start the cycle of violence. Disinformation/disorientation campaigns for local/international establishment agenda has increased exponentially during recent times. Such disinformation/disorientation campaigns are paid, sponsored and engineered by local/international establishment for creating justification for military actions, extreme brute measure and corrupt practices. the Corrupt Mercenary Media (CMM) present themselves as CHAMPIONS OF TRUTH, DEMOCRASY, and JUSTICE. Various writers and anchors pretend asking tough/hard questions and saving world from war, extremism. However media at best are manipulating and comprising the truth by showing half picture of crisis. Most of the time media avoid context and conceal motives of the ongoing crisis and chaos in India, Pakistan and whole Muslim world. Media will never tip-toe out of the false perception minefield that they have allowed themselves to be lured into by the CIA, various ruling establishment and architects of WAR FOR TERROR. TV Anchors most of the times are bounded by policy, life threats, job fears, temptations, easy going attitude, incompetence and lack of quality research on social science. Any TV channel prime motivation is money, revenue, coverage, ads and sponsors not truth.
Al-Qaeda is a front organization of CIA and MOSSAD : Mumbai based group of intellectuals and human rights activists
India Daily-Jun. 13, 2007
The Mumbai based group alleged that Al-Qaeda is a front organization of CIA and MOSSAD. "There is enough evidence that the Al-Qaeda is a front organization of the CIA and MOSSAD. The Bush junta has used the bogey of terror and of Al Qaeda to justify his unending and ever expanding Global War on Terror, which is only a means of capturing the resources of the world and of establishing the sole hegemony of Israel in West Asia," said the group of activists and intellectuals. The group is holding a press conference in Mumbai on Wednesday to "expose the links between Al-Qaeda and the CIA-MOSSAD".
Holding American-Israeli operation accomplices of the 9/11 attack on the WTC, the spokesman of the group said that this has been widely written about in USA and Europe itself and more than 50% of the American people and far more Europeans, now believe and are convinced about this fact. He said that sections of the Indian ruling political and military elite are importing the same Bush-Olmert formula into India. "The increasing terror attacks only serve the cause of the Indian elite and divide the masses along communal lines. It is only the ordinary Indians who are the victims of terror either in temples, mosques, buses or trains," he said adding that practically no political leader suffers a similar fate, where the terrorists are apprehended and killed in "encounters".
"Every terror attack is meant to push and drag the Indian masses further into the waiting arms of Uncle Sam and the Israeli Goliath. Every terror attack spreads further hatred for Muslims and Islam and weakens the Indian Muslim community," he said.
#243 Posted by krbhatti on September 20, 2008 2:20:00 pm
who cares about the hotel and other things until i am getting bananas from how many duffers........ 20 million... oh my gosh.....
and btw, did you stood against these suicidal bombers... no, no, talking does not mean anything. is there anyone from your side in Pakistan trying to convince these people that it is bad, or no one allows you to do that. In that case, is there anyone who is standing in Pakistan for this right of yours to say whatever u want. or is it that your patience dictates that wait until 'chiRian chug gaeen khait' cowards....... u r not even eligible to raise your finger against anyone... why because, you just don't count... you are just a cult of mirza & co. inc. and nothing else......
and btw, did you stood against these suicidal bombers... no, no, talking does not mean anything. is there anyone from your side in Pakistan trying to convince these people that it is bad, or no one allows you to do that. In that case, is there anyone who is standing in Pakistan for this right of yours to say whatever u want. or is it that your patience dictates that wait until 'chiRian chug gaeen khait' cowards....... u r not even eligible to raise your finger against anyone... why because, you just don't count... you are just a cult of mirza & co. inc. and nothing else......
#242 Posted by sattar2 on September 20, 2008 12:37:04 pm
bhatti,
Your obsession with Ahmadis is not doing you any good. Check out your fav website ... BBC. There's something about bomb blasts in Islamabad.
... with people like you, it is no wonder the ummah is going to the dogs.
No banana for you ...
Your obsession with Ahmadis is not doing you any good. Check out your fav website ... BBC. There's something about bomb blasts in Islamabad.
... with people like you, it is no wonder the ummah is going to the dogs.
No banana for you ...
#241 Posted by krbhatti on September 20, 2008 6:25:52 am
no buddy, i m not bad muslim; actually i am bazoori muslim u see.... or is it zilli..... means i am but i am not. what the fuck..... but is good unless other duffers keep believing...... and on the last count there were 20 million...... so u see lot of bananas............
Ha ha ha.............. Bananas...lot of bananas.... thank you 20 million duffers........
Ha ha ha.............. Bananas...lot of bananas.... thank you 20 million duffers........
#240 Posted by sattar2 on September 19, 2008 6:01:20 pm
Bhatti, you are back to rambling incoherently.
Bad Muslim. No banana.
Bad Muslim. No banana.
#239 Posted by krbhatti on September 19, 2008 1:22:40 pm
when you did.... perhaps in your imaginations........ or perhaps it is not actual refutation but only the 'zilli' or 'bazoori' one......
i am really amused.....
i am really amused.....
#238 Posted by sattar2 on September 19, 2008 12:59:14 pm
Yes I did. But you are not smart enough to realize it.
Your reasons exist only in your head; ullema act according to their own ideas.
Your reasons mean nothing ... except to you ... and that's why you are trapped in a bubble.
Your reasons exist only in your head; ullema act according to their own ideas.
Your reasons mean nothing ... except to you ... and that's why you are trapped in a bubble.
#237 Posted by krbhatti on September 19, 2008 12:37:04 pm
Re: # 236
Ha ha ha.........
Did you refute the reasons which i provided you that proved you wrong......?
Ha ha ha.........
Did you refute the reasons which i provided you that proved you wrong......?
#236 Posted by sattar2 on September 19, 2008 12:21:36 pm
Bhatti,
You’re a butthead obsessed with Ahmadis, for the wrong reasons. What is annoying is your own stupidity.
You claim that Al-Qaeda has no intellectual backing. When I show your ullema perpetuating violent fanaticism, you claim I am stereotyping. Hello, is anybody home?
I have cited ullema, their views, their calls for jihad, their literature, death squads, lal masjids, taliban, wahabis … and you can’t counter any of it. Calling these arguments “zanana logic� means nothing. It only underscores your own incompetence. So take your e-mail address and stick it ...
You’re a butthead obsessed with Ahmadis, for the wrong reasons. What is annoying is your own stupidity.
You claim that Al-Qaeda has no intellectual backing. When I show your ullema perpetuating violent fanaticism, you claim I am stereotyping. Hello, is anybody home?
I have cited ullema, their views, their calls for jihad, their literature, death squads, lal masjids, taliban, wahabis … and you can’t counter any of it. Calling these arguments “zanana logic� means nothing. It only underscores your own incompetence. So take your e-mail address and stick it ...
#235 Posted by krbhatti on September 19, 2008 11:00:04 am
Re: # 234
Sattar Mian,
It is really getting annoying. Either come up with something instead of producing stereotypes. Or if you want to refute me, do it with arguments instead of zanana logics.
As far ahmadis are concerned, they don't even count. For me there is no difference between them and any other double shah scheme, and this is my POV. Do whatever, you want to do about it.
And i already gave you my email address. Send me your response there because i might miss your response because this article is not on the FP any more. Will ya do it...
Sattar Mian,
It is really getting annoying. Either come up with something instead of producing stereotypes. Or if you want to refute me, do it with arguments instead of zanana logics.
As far ahmadis are concerned, they don't even count. For me there is no difference between them and any other double shah scheme, and this is my POV. Do whatever, you want to do about it.
And i already gave you my email address. Send me your response there because i might miss your response because this article is not on the FP any more. Will ya do it...
#234 Posted by sattar2 on September 19, 2008 10:51:27 am
Bhatti Mian,
Your “test of rationality� is irrelevant to the ullema, who have their own ideas. You’ve failed to make your point. Note that lal masjid brigade did not share your logical framework … and did what they felt right.
You keep ignoring views of Maudoodi, Israr, and Naik; publications in mosques; death squads; calls for jihad; suicide bombings; and punishment for apostasy etc. These activities are a part of the culture that perpetuates Al-Qaeda, talibans, lal masjids etc.
You have finally admitted there exists a Saud problem. Can you spell Wahabi? And then you think Al-Qaeda has no intellectual backing because BBC says so!
And finally, you are back to taking cheap shots at Ahmadis. Ironically, you also seem to support Maudoodi’s views on unprovoked war (#221) and think that killing apostates may be ok. There is one thing worse than being a lunatic jihadi: denying the fact that you are one.
Ahmadis have had khilafat for a 100 years now. And you’ve failed to find anything against our khalifa or the community. Your ullema on the other hand are encouraging suicide bombings and calling it “jihad�. The irony is hard to miss!
Your “test of rationality� is irrelevant to the ullema, who have their own ideas. You’ve failed to make your point. Note that lal masjid brigade did not share your logical framework … and did what they felt right.
You keep ignoring views of Maudoodi, Israr, and Naik; publications in mosques; death squads; calls for jihad; suicide bombings; and punishment for apostasy etc. These activities are a part of the culture that perpetuates Al-Qaeda, talibans, lal masjids etc.
You have finally admitted there exists a Saud problem. Can you spell Wahabi? And then you think Al-Qaeda has no intellectual backing because BBC says so!
And finally, you are back to taking cheap shots at Ahmadis. Ironically, you also seem to support Maudoodi’s views on unprovoked war (#221) and think that killing apostates may be ok. There is one thing worse than being a lunatic jihadi: denying the fact that you are one.
Ahmadis have had khilafat for a 100 years now. And you’ve failed to find anything against our khalifa or the community. Your ullema on the other hand are encouraging suicide bombings and calling it “jihad�. The irony is hard to miss!
#233 Posted by krbhatti on September 19, 2008 2:36:05 am
And sattar mian,
One more thing. This article is no more on Front page, so it is kinda hard to find it again and then interact on this. So, in case you wanna carry on your orgy of ignorance, then do it on email. My email is the same user name that i have on chowk and it is at the gmail dot com.
One more thing. This article is no more on Front page, so it is kinda hard to find it again and then interact on this. So, in case you wanna carry on your orgy of ignorance, then do it on email. My email is the same user name that i have on chowk and it is at the gmail dot com.
#232 Posted by krbhatti on September 19, 2008 2:29:44 am
# 231
Sattar Mian,
It is not me who is ignoring anything. You raised the names of 3 people, who in your opinion are backers of Al Qaeda. I analysed them, and only after careful analyses, I said that this opinion of yours does not stand the test of logic and rationality. Actually, it is you who instead of countering it with arguments are just blaming and blaming and blaming without any sort of explanation.
Where from Al Qaeda gets its intellectual backing, I know it very well, but mind you it is not the one whom you blame. Who are they, it is another discussion which frankly, I don't see of having with a deaf, mute and blind.
You mentioned Saudia; yes there is a problem. And this is because there is a family who is using religion as an excuse to control the masses and keep them busy somewhere else so that they don't question them. And this family is the sacred cow of west and US. You see whenever there is some family or person who employs religion for the their benefit, it always gives problems. Hence, wherever I see one family at the head of one khanqah, religious order, sufi silsala or whatever, there is nothing but exploitation there.
But why I am telling you this? Sorry, forgot that you are deaf, mute and blind. Go, and lick the soles of others and be happy because that is what you deserve.
Sattar Mian,
It is not me who is ignoring anything. You raised the names of 3 people, who in your opinion are backers of Al Qaeda. I analysed them, and only after careful analyses, I said that this opinion of yours does not stand the test of logic and rationality. Actually, it is you who instead of countering it with arguments are just blaming and blaming and blaming without any sort of explanation.
Where from Al Qaeda gets its intellectual backing, I know it very well, but mind you it is not the one whom you blame. Who are they, it is another discussion which frankly, I don't see of having with a deaf, mute and blind.
You mentioned Saudia; yes there is a problem. And this is because there is a family who is using religion as an excuse to control the masses and keep them busy somewhere else so that they don't question them. And this family is the sacred cow of west and US. You see whenever there is some family or person who employs religion for the their benefit, it always gives problems. Hence, wherever I see one family at the head of one khanqah, religious order, sufi silsala or whatever, there is nothing but exploitation there.
But why I am telling you this? Sorry, forgot that you are deaf, mute and blind. Go, and lick the soles of others and be happy because that is what you deserve.
#231 Posted by sattar2 on September 18, 2008 4:07:19 pm
Bhatti,
You keep ignoring your ullema’s teachings, the literature they are publishing, and their calls for jihad and suicide bombings. Then you claim Al-Qaeda has no intellectual backing because BBC says so. The joke is on you. Ha ha this!
Read the above again. It shows your state of denial ...
+++
You claim that Maudoodi does not count since he came before Al-Qaeda. And that Naik does not count since he came after Al-Qaeda. Hello, is anyone home?
Al-Qaeda is a product of a culture of fanaticism ... that keeps giving rise to more lunatic ullema. Maudoodis created it, Naiks are perpetuating it. Got it?
You further claim that Israr does not count since he is a nutcase! What can I say? (scratching head icon).
These are the “intellectuals� that you continue to ignore! Whether or not they were present at the exact location on the day when Al-Qaeda was formed is irrelevant (and laughable)!!!!!! Whether they come from indo-pak or arabia too is irrelevant. Their views are echoed by Al-Qaeda ideology … as I specifically showed by quoting Maudoodi in #221.
As I said, ask your ullema a few questions … but you already know the answer. Your imams will echo the views of Maudoodi, Israr, and Naik … which are also reflected in Al-Qaeda ideology.
So tell us more about the death squads, lal masjids, the suicide bombers, the wahabis, et al. Note the books and Quran copies in the mosques (these books were not merely printed in Saudi Arabia. Some were research thesis on Islamic laws by higher students at Arab institutions. Copies of Quran were published under auspices of government department and department heads of saudi arabia).
So Nebraska is not the issue; and neither are Ahmadis! Problem is with your ullema but you are in denial.
Bad Muslim
No banana ...
You keep ignoring your ullema’s teachings, the literature they are publishing, and their calls for jihad and suicide bombings. Then you claim Al-Qaeda has no intellectual backing because BBC says so. The joke is on you. Ha ha this!
Read the above again. It shows your state of denial ...
+++
You claim that Maudoodi does not count since he came before Al-Qaeda. And that Naik does not count since he came after Al-Qaeda. Hello, is anyone home?
Al-Qaeda is a product of a culture of fanaticism ... that keeps giving rise to more lunatic ullema. Maudoodis created it, Naiks are perpetuating it. Got it?
You further claim that Israr does not count since he is a nutcase! What can I say? (scratching head icon).
These are the “intellectuals� that you continue to ignore! Whether or not they were present at the exact location on the day when Al-Qaeda was formed is irrelevant (and laughable)!!!!!! Whether they come from indo-pak or arabia too is irrelevant. Their views are echoed by Al-Qaeda ideology … as I specifically showed by quoting Maudoodi in #221.
As I said, ask your ullema a few questions … but you already know the answer. Your imams will echo the views of Maudoodi, Israr, and Naik … which are also reflected in Al-Qaeda ideology.
So tell us more about the death squads, lal masjids, the suicide bombers, the wahabis, et al. Note the books and Quran copies in the mosques (these books were not merely printed in Saudi Arabia. Some were research thesis on Islamic laws by higher students at Arab institutions. Copies of Quran were published under auspices of government department and department heads of saudi arabia).
So Nebraska is not the issue; and neither are Ahmadis! Problem is with your ullema but you are in denial.
Bad Muslim
No banana ...
#230 Posted by krbhatti on September 18, 2008 12:05:04 pm
Re: # 229
Ha ha ha.
Please post anything by all means, but make sure not to go astray.....
Ha ha ha.
Please post anything by all means, but make sure not to go astray.....
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