Delhi Under Fright, Innocent Targeted

Ref friend #252

[DM - If today another king, from religion B comes, puts another stone and demands that anyone not converting to religion B should put his neck on stone, you can be very sure that villages will convert, and after some time they will start fighting for religion B. Next generation will grow with tenants of religion B and for them it will be path to salvation.]

Can we do this to India's Mozzies? Then we will be rid of the problem with minorities forever.

Only power of Islam that I see is sheer stupidity of Kuran, and the large nuber of people that follow it. But I don't feel surprised at all, because this is how group ego works.


A bit more surprising is the fact about life of Muhammad, his life-style was perhaps much less moral than you would expect for an average person in India (during that time) but he could claim himself a prophet despite all those failures. Again for some reason Arabia was in such a bad condition at that time.

#252 Posted by friend on

Problam is that no matter how much reasonig you give, people are quick to sink into their own biases.

So what you say is correct, but till you do it people won't believe it or will pretend not to.

Even today you will need to kill less than 1% of a village to convert the rest into anything you like.



Is it so difficult to understand that after one generation you will always defend your new identity or your new religion. Try it with one of your own kid and you will get to know that even when you are still alibe the identity/ego of your kid will start defending his/her new religion.

Once you accept a new identity, doesn't matter how bad/ugly it is, you will try to defend it.

DM#230:

"In every village, the troops put up a stone with a semi-circular depression in the center. The first person to refuse conversion was ordered to place his neck in the stone and his head was cut off. At which point, the rest of the villagers "voluntarily" converted to Islam."

Herein lies the power of Islam: No matter how they were converted, they would almost all today be defenders of Islam.

DM - If today another king, from religion B comes, puts another stone and demands that anyone not converting to religion B should put his neck on stone, you can be very sure that villages will convert, and after some time they will start fighting for religion B. Next generation will grow with tenants of religion B and for them it will be path to salvation.

Dear friends abusive words should not be used!

Dear friends abusive words should not be used!

#248 Posted by Eklavya on

Eklavya,
Don't tell me what God will think, for the time being God is not thinking and I am doing reasoning for him.


So I explained to you how your reasoning is incorrect. All that i said should be easily understandable. What you don't understand is that things and knwoledge of this world are very different in nature.

You have two possibilities,
1. world continues and builds on current knowledge
2. knowledge restarts

Even if you lose the whole intelligence you will have to start with the same cycle (the world is same). You will again need people who will need to invent zero, numerals, who will need to give some first philosophical thoughts about God. Then the scientists that you saw in the west/europe.. etc etc..

But if you don't start from scratch then what you already have is not forgotton.

So in either case importance of intelligent idea can not be belittled so easily, nor it needs to be be-littled.

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Here is what God replied:

When Islam was wiping out Asia and Christianity was wiping out Europe and America, I showed you that destruction doesn't need intellect, more importantly even a large scale destruction doesn't need intellect. So be cautious, don't ignore idiots (don't leave them alone) take good care of them!

Humanity needed this lesson prior to learning Laser techniques, atom bombs and missiles, cause now stupidty can do thousand year of damage in the past in just a few hours. Lesson is not yet complete, we will get more on our current misbehaviors.

pinku, for simplicity alone, let's divide the world into Muslims and non-Muslims.

Let's say nkg moshai is right: non-Muslims are a little more 'intelligent.'

So these non-Muslims lose in and disappear from Saudi Arabia.

They lose in and disappear from Iran.

They lose in and disappear from Afghanistan.

They lose in and disappear from Pakistan.

They lose in and disappear from Kashmir.

They lose in and disappear from Assam.

They lose in and disappear from ....


Do you see a pattern here?

If you were sitting right next to God, up in the heavens, looking down on different creatures you created, whom would YOU call more intelligent?

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Pinku, on tv they show this video about the Great Buddhas in Afghanistan. If you watch it, you would know how COMPLETELY, how utterly, things can be lost no matter how impressive they might seem to people of a time.

But goodnite now. :)

#245 Posted by Eklavya on
My dear Eklavya,

Don't be too quick in under-estimaing inteligence of past. The idea of evolution doesn't mean that everything that amoeba had has been lost. From one cell we became multi-cell, from their monkeys and whatever, but one cell is still there somewhere. This is more true of knowledge and intelligence.

You learnt number zero, 1, 2, 3, when you were kid, but you can't do without it even know?? Right, same goes against whatever you said. The intelligence will not be gone, it was used and it will remain in use even later. You build over past intelligence, you don't simply forget it.

So your statement is wrong, Indic people can have fun for the time being.

244 Posted by Eklavya on

Which reasoning you are using for the time being?

Intellect can only be effective for a purpose, it doesn't automatically work for anything or everything. So unless you use it to wipe out Islam it won't.

Those guys were genius and their intelllect won where they applied it. Their ideas roam around the world, people know they were naked but feel naked themselves when they face those ideas. You can check it with Islamic and Christian scholars, just talk for a while and see how they feel about those Hindus:-)

So today, if you decide the same level of intellect in getting rid of Islam, then you will get to know whether you have similar kind of genius or not.

It is possible that a snake can kill you, but that doesn't make a snake intelligent than you. Nor doe it prove that you don't have intelligence, perhaps you forgot to take note of possibility (because you were busy finding some crap in the bush) and perhaps possibility was not that predictable (in say 300 BC to 800 AD) when you had time to think about it.

Overall, don't be too happy to mock those who were best at mocking others in their time, that too while remaining naked.

My dear Indic peoples, don't be too proud of your 'civilization' your 'genius-ness', your art and culture, your so-called science or whatever else that thrills your heart and makes you proud. Look all around you. None of this may mean anything a few hundred years down the road.

There is intelligence, and then there is intelligence.

nkg, tell me, who is better off, which are the more intelligent people -

(1) those supposedly "wonderful geniuses" (to you) who disappeared without trace and without mourning from Gandhar, Egypt, Sindh, Persia"

Or

people who rule these lands - all alone and unchallenged - even though you might hate their guts and call them bipeds?

Re: # 241
Ekal...
Where are you getting logical thinking in Islam? And that logical thinking created vast pool of un-educated, un-cultured, violent, nuicense creating bipeds in eartstwhile civilised areas like Ganga Valley, Gandhar, Egypt, Sindh, Persia etc...!!!!

Anyhow, do you know who Ekalavya was?

Re: # 234
DM...
I have explained in one of the earlier posts. Islamic inquisition of these places (Sindh, Baluchistan, FATA etc...) have created such a situation that people do not know their root. If they denounce Islam, now, where will they be? Return back to old and civilised Sindhi/Punjabi/Gandhar culture again? But that is no more available there. Apart from arab slave, there is no identity option left for them....

In India, the problem is different....

"mixed parentage with a strong component of Islam."

Laddu, hope that is ok with you. It would indeed be a great idea to supplement your old hindu silliness with some logical Islamic thinking.

Laddu #234 {"For those who do not fear Allah FEAR UMMAH."}

Laddu Friend,
Let me decidedly assure you that I have no fear of Allah. In fact, I see Allah as my antidote to fear, my safety from fear, and the source of my courage against fear.

As for the Ummah, I do have fear - it's not fear of the Ummah, but rather a fear for the Ummah, that in its current state of extremism, violence, unIslamic practices, internal strife, divisiveness, and injustice, it is bound to languish in yet another century of its Dark Age.