The Other Side

oh and another point on which you are being dishonest is the innocent claim that liberals must just not like the sight of women in burkas or men with beards (with the implication: how frivolous of them!) You know very well that you do not wear a beard just for the fun of it but because it is a symbol of your affiliation. Dunno if you've noticed, but people with the same affiliation are slaughtering our countrymen in NWFP and Fata by the thousands and bombing our imambargahs and marketplaces. As long as you continue proudly displaying the symbols of that affiliation, you will continue to be disliked by the few people who give a shit.

Now have some balls and be proud of your associations rather than hiding behind this comical appeal to political correctness.

Dear author,
you are being dishonest. Fundamentalists like you are the majority in Pakistani society and yet you are claiming some kind of discrimination. And what form does this discrimination take? As far as I can tell from your article, some people have mocked you for having a high pajama.

The question is, do people who subscribe to an exclusivist creed like you do even have the right to complain about dislike and distrust from those who do not belong to your camp?

As long as the fundamentalist keeps his understanding of his religion to himself, I have no problem with it.
But if his understanding of his religion makes him try to correct me, and to use force if required, then this is not co-existence. It is his existence.
If a person is willing to die and to take lives to please his God, then I have all the reasons to be afraid of him.

Co-existence requires mutual respect and agreement on some basic fundamental principles. Unfortunately the religion can't provide such basis as everybody has his own religion and his own understanding of his religion. So people need to look elsewhere. Are fundamentalists ready to do so?

Re: # 3 Jayp....TTPakistan is not best organization. But destroying CD I will not do but if some body does one should not shed tears. Most are sex xxx movies,blue movies and pornography is basically sold which is not good. But other parties do not want to take actions as they know it is bad but they do not want to use popularity.So TTP is doing what govt should do as all this stuff is not leagal and police themselves will not do as they are addicted to bribes and ponography. Many small places there are not cine theatres but many small ill lighted roomes are used to show cd on tv and poor sex starved men are exploited and large money is charged. And due to bad and distorted projections many old and young people are getting their eye sights damaged.And overall damaging extremely bad way.
So this is good deed when govt fails to stop ponography just due to loss of fear of popularity. Just like doctor administers bitter pills and painful shots.
Due this watching people are getting mad and sex obsessed and use alcohol and ganja and tobaco stuff, drugs and on empty stomach drinking liquior and go on watching CD for hours and hours use is increasing up vert fast. Criminal gangs are involved in CD distribution just like drugs.
Now you being in usa does not understand addiction of ponography here. THis is only thing Tahrik E Tal. Pakistan is doing good.

This is Pakistani society now..person willing to blow himself up and kill 25 others..for money..

Bhakkar Blast: suicide bombers for sale?

Wednesday, 24 Dec, 2008 | 08:26 AM PST |
Security officials collect evidence at the site of a suicide blast in the town of Bhakkar, southwest of Islamabad, October 6, 2008. - Reuters
Security officials collect evidence at the site of a suicide blast in the town of Bhakkar, southwest of Islamabad, October 6, 2008. - Reuters

LAHORE: The Crimes Investigation Department on Tuesday claimed Tuesday to have arrested five people involved in a suicide attack on PML-N MNA Rashid Akbar Niwani in Bhakkar on Aug 6.


At least 26 people were killed and several injured in the attack, including the MNA. According to police, suspect Waqas Hussain, and his accomplices Dr Nazar Hussain, Arif Khan, Muhammad Amjad and Saeed Amjad Abbas hired a suicide bomber and explosives expert from Wana to kill Ejaz Hussain, with whom he allegedly had a monetary dispute.

According to a police handout, Waqas Hussain and Ejaz Hussain, both residents of Bhakkar district, were fast friends. Waqas started a used-car business after borrowing Rs2.1 million from Ejaz, but could not establish himself and began to suffer losses. He handed over seven vehicles to Ejaz at different times to return the borrowed money, but Ejaz demanded another Rs5.4 million.

A dispute developed and both had cases registered against each other.

Ejaz finally took the dispute to Niwani and asked him to settle it. Niwani called both parties to his outhouse in the presence of local notables, listened to them and announced another sitting for Aug 6.

Waqas and his father Nazar Hussain went to their relative Arif Khan in Dera Ismail Khan and informed him about the situation. They decided to kill Ejaz in a suicide attack and Arif asked them to arrange money for the purpose.

Waqas, Nazar and Arif went to Tank where they met Jaan Muhammad Wazeer, a resident of Wana, and agreed to pay him Rs1.2 million for the purpose. A day before the suicide attack on Aug 6, Jaan handed over the suicide bomber and an explosives expert to Arif. The bomber and explosives expert were later handed over to Waqas at Adda Dajal in Bhakkar district.

On the day of incident, Waqas confirmed through dispenser Amjad Abbas Shah that Ejaz was present at Niwani’s house and took the suicide bomber there. The bomber blew himself up near Ejaz, killing him and 25 others.

and jayp,
the others are real and trust me man they aint going anywhere

my point was we need to stop reacting so aggressively to difference... i dont think there is any need to assume a "fundamentalist" is violent or similar assumptions for the flip side.. and if "fundamentalism" does take a populace stand- so be it... why do we automatically assume that "fundamentalism" means suspending all human rights etc. ever thought of the "good, just and progressive fundamentalist" ?

nb,
you are to be blamed for yor liberal shit, man!
fundamentalism is not inherent in any ideology. It has social roots, reasons...
and mere vonemizing wont help much.
You have to realize that killing one militant or Masud Azhar, or Tamils, or Palestinian, wont solve the problem, man!
Cut out their social root, and the cause which lead them to this deadly path...
After all, they are not born idiots to have led this path.
Think about it. We all are responsible, cuz we don't look at what needs to be looked at.
-E

Well, no, I get I am to be blamed, but I believe that to be a lie.

nb,
Sure. It is a brand new word for your knowledge of social satire!

Thank me for that :)
Besides, have you got my point? Haven't you?

Venomizing? There's a brand new word. And don't hold me responsible for the rise of fundamentalism in Pakistan.

jayp & nb,

my little to-to kids, the founder's mission is yet to be accomplished, I guess.

How about a Calcutta seige? Or a Kanaaat downfall in the capital?

I know one thing for sure that if you keep venomizing, these fundamentalists will rise...further!

At least, they know no liberal sht as you guys do, by following the line of White House.

-E

Omer,

Take it from me, it is only a transitional state. The cd stores are blown up, the barbers are killed, the english medium schools are burnt.....pakistan is on teh way to meet the founders vision. The two nation theory demands that there should be uniformity, there should not be the other.

Have hope, salute the photo in teh govt office for the mans great vision.

Charlie, is that you?
You can't blame the Macca's lady for her fear, there is no way she can know that your friend is non-violent. That's a strange thing to say, even though I can see his point. She knows that fundamentalists can be violent. Maybe you could have reassured her?

Good Omer,
Subtle humour. Nice observation, phenomenal description!

But my piece of advice: Grow up, man!

Either let the world be as it is, or pick a side and change it if you want.

All these trivial aunties, their fears, the itar uncle and his objections are here to stay. You decide if you want a better place to live!

(Btw, I have a plan! Come up when you have made up your mind. We can try to change things, right?? )... :P