How I Spent Eid

Shiraz,
I can just relate so much to your articles. Would like to get in touch with you... where you at?
sobia

I present you with facts and then you use STRAWMAN FALLACY ... WHY DONT YOU READ FIRST ... READ WHAT I WROTE ....

FOR GOD SAKES READ WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN

NO WHERE ISLAM EMBODIES VIOLENCE .... OR INJUSTICE AND AS A MATTER OF FACT IT IS THE OPPOSITE ..

READ WHAT I WROTE BEFORE ....

instead of taking out quotes from my replies JUST READ FOR ONCE ...

``I hate these fanatic also - BUT I AM NOT SAYING THEY MISREPRESENT ISLAM - THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM``

Dearest ylh, your efforts to re convert me in a limited chowk forum were very effective. I have now converted and have seen the light and have embraced Islam with regret for all the ``bad and darty`` things I have done.

I did not leave Islam because of clerics butt- knocking little boys - nor did I leave this community because the people were bad. I think Pakistanis and Muslims are good because they are human beings BUT it is the religion that makes violent/ primitive men out of us (like the taliban, the clerics and the Maulvis that you hate so much ). My argument is not with the people but with the IDEAS emobodied in Islam. To you it symbolizes everything good being the ``I listen and obey`` (sameyna wa ataana) kind of slave of Allah that you are (abdullah- god`s favorite name). But I was personally miserable.

I saw no reason to stick with something that was the source of misery for me and a lot of my fellow human beings.

``And I think you are too easy a target for salesmen!! :)...and you must be every saleswoman`s dream come true ..:))``

I dont think so. I mean so what if the saleswomen keep on calling me trying to set up appointments with me ( I mean appointments to look at cloths). When my friends overheard me setting appointments to look at cloths they were like ``impressed`` - since it was impressive I thought I should mention that. As far as saleswomen`s treament of me goes - they just look at me with their big eyes while standing perfectly still (at most swiveling their hips in one place) and nod to everything I say. I have a very loving relationship with shopping. I have noticed salesWOMEN are more eager to help me SAVE my money and never fail to suggest ways of getting discounts or alternatives ... men on the other hand usually hate me (unless they are gay) ... which is fine by me - so salesMEN being nice is often quite suspicious.

I will be walking down the street and I will wonder ``what is the point of life? what do I do with myself? what do I do with that account of mine that has failed to overdraw this month?`` So I go to broadway in SoHo and shop with an intensity and concentration that diverts attention from the flashing ADs. Does that make me an attention seeker ?

I don`t know but when women smile and are nice to me (like today I was at the cafe and I saw this girl wrapping a wrap thing really neatly and I told her so and she said ``do you want me to wrap you one`` and I was like ``ok ... if you are like dying to wrap me one ...`` meanwhile my heart was thump-thumping and my lunch tray was shaking. And I was feeling all nauseous while this girl kept on giggling and so lusciously wrapped that wrap that I was afraid to eat it. I think that made my day as I sat across from her and she gave me her number (I got a number EVERYONE!) and was so easy ... I hate challenges when it comes to cuddling. I am just trying to feel warm here not ascending mount everest ...

Anyways - regarding this gorgeus but easy chic I was soon having images of her riding my shoulders as I ran through central park preparing for the olympiads. Behind every great man is a great woman - I say ... I want to be great.

Sometimes my mother makes me feel like I can do anything - when she is around but I can only cuddle with her for so long - before my father gets jealous ...

``I would say that you are deliberatly outrageous -to evoke reactions but moreso to see who can stick around , how many will not shy away and take it without batting an eyelid, and of course how many women will not leave exclaiming tauba tauba ``

I need a fire that BURNS through wind and rain. Come to me like the dawn through the dismal night just blazing like the sun. So you maybe partially right. I cannot decide if I am weak or strong. But I would like to be strong. I would like to chew and su_ck and drink every source of love shamelessly. Gawd knows I need it. Yes it is necessary for the way I live that my companions should be able to flaunt all social norms. I have lived an inhibited life too long. I would like to be around people who are positive and who encourage me to do ``bad`` things. I cannot have people who hang out with me and say ``how could you do that?`` . My friends are artistic to the point of being insane - and they feel the same way. We may work in suits and crew cuts because we have to survive in the most expensive city in the world (and ``survive`` we do) considering all of us are disowned bas_tards ...

``If you write to impress women then why are you ashamed to show your work?``

I dont know - that is my one weakness. I am trying to work on that.

``post a picture of yourself in a thong it will be much more appreciated ``

Whats a thong ? what I love wearing is this strange underwear I own -it covers a bit of the sack and then has like a strip going back, which fits snugly into my butt_crack :) I love wearing it because its either that ``strange`` underwear or NOTHING - my mother still scolds me for not wearing any underwear -

``Beta (son) everyone can tell you are not wearing any underwear ...``

``But Mom I am wearing a tux over it ... that is layers of repressive clothing!``

``Betay (son) can you tell when a woman is not wearing a bra?``

``Ammi jan!! how can you talk to me like that? ... well actually yes ... and I think they look very good without any ...``

``Ok enough ... similarly when a young mandoes not wear underwear ... everyone can tell ...``

``I dont think so Ammi Jan, i cannot tell ... how can everyone else``

Also - why would I post my nekkid picture on the net? that sounds like such a crude thing to do. I mean that would be typical of some Lassi-ladling-Paindoo (no offence to any paindoos personally I love their honesty and sincerity and straightforward nature compared to the artificial airs of karachites)

``it the constant ref to your need for sexual gratification and extremely subtle references to your body and manhood``

Aray sun chichoray ladkay ... I dont like it when some dude talks about my ``sac-sual`` this and that and my body this and that and my manhood hanh! :(

SOLITUDE

LISTEN .... I myself am frustrated by these idiot clerics .... because what they represent is ridiculous .... and I too rebelled against Islam but the CLERICS and the Maulvis donot represent Islam ... and I realized this when I tried to understand.... if the Quran talks about rebelliousness of women as in 4 34 ... it also speaks of the rebelliousness of men in 4 128...the whole inference that Arabic word used for clot ... has a feminine Idafa gives us the impression that women are not only equal but higher ... similarly it should be clear that HALF WITNESS thing was in the context of time AND WAS ONLY APPLICABLE TO BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS ... In CRIMINAL matters Women`s testimony has to EQUAL to Man`s .... and the Fiqhs suggesting otherwise are basing it on a common illa which can be easily rejected because the context in which that ayah was revealed was

THAT women didnot get involved in business transactions at the time .... today the verse opens a legal option for a house wife who was not involved in transactions .... and DOES NOT IN ANY WAY SUGGEST THAT WOMAN`S TESTIMONY IS HALF OF MAN ..... The tone is overwhelmingly EQUAL!!!!!!

Now the whole Pedophile issue is concerned ......

Prophet conssumated the marriage when Aysha reached puberty .... and there is no evidence suggesting that Aysha was that young an age .... for Arab bedouins did not keep track of age then especially of women .... AND THIS CANNOT BE DENIED.

Aysha shows a high level of maturity in the Hadith literature and even the feel is not of a girl but a mature young lady ... I suspect that Aysha was more like 12 or 13 when she got married .... (the only reason scholars say that she was six is because she played with dolls)

ALSO IT is interesting that a supposed 8 year old can be accused of adultery????

In any event the marriage was consummated at 15 or 16 .... AND THIS IS BY FAR A PLAUSIBLE ARGUMENT!!!

At the death of the Prophet Aysha was atleast 25 or 26 .........

So I see A shiraz that you are indeed a product of same frustration which had plagued me ... I hate these fanatic also ... BUT I AM NOT SAYING THEY MISREPRESENT ISLAM ... THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM....

In Islam

1)There can be No clergy ... then how can these people claim that role

2)Islam`s political order is essentially and inherently secular... Prophet was an exception because he was also the Prophet of Allah ..

3)I completely agree with you when you say that Pakistan should a tolerant state ... and a secular state .... and that it is not UnIslamic to be a secuular state ...

MY WORD OF ADVICE TO SHIRAZ ....

TAKE AN ISLAM COURSE AT U PENN HARVARD COLUMBIA OR BROWN!

and if you cant come down to Rutgers and maybe take Islamic Ethics .... a course in the formulation of Islamic Law!

SOLITUDE

LISTEN .... I myself am frustrated by these idiot clerics .... because what they represent is ridiculous .... and I too rebelled against Islam but the CLERICS and the Maulvis donot represent Islam ... and I realized this when I tried to understand.... if the Quran talks about rebelliousness of women as in 4 34 ... it also speaks of the rebelliousness of men in 4 128...the whole inference that Arabic word used for clot ... has a feminine Idafa gives us the impression that women are not only equal but higher ... similarly it should be clear that HALF WITNESS thing was in the context of time AND WAS ONLY APPLICABLE TO BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS ... In CRIMINAL matters Women`s testimony has to EQUAL to Man`s .... and the Fiqhs suggesting otherwise are basing it on a common illa which can be easily rejected because the context in which that ayah was revealed was

THAT women didnot get involved in business transactions at the time .... today the verse opens a legal option for a house wife who was not involved in transactions .... and DOES NOT IN ANY WAY SUGGEST THAT WOMAN`S TESTIMONY IS HALF OF MAN ..... The tone is overwhelmingly EQUAL!!!!!!

Now the whole Pedophile issue is concerned ......

Prophet conssumated the marriage when Aysha reached puberty .... and there is no evidence suggesting that Aysha was that young an age .... for Arab bedouins did not keep track of age then especially of women .... AND THIS CANNOT BE DENIED.

Aysha shows a high level of maturity in the Hadith literature and even the feel is not of a girl but a mature young lady ... I suspect that Aysha was more like 12 or 13 when she got married .... (the only reason scholars say that she was six is because she played with dolls)

ALSO IT is interesting that a supposed 8 year old can be accused of adultery????

In any event the marriage was consummated at 15 or 16 .... AND THIS IS BY FAR A PLAUSIBLE ARGUMENT!!!

At the death of the Prophet Aysha was atleast 25 or 26 .........

So I see A shiraz that you are indeed a product of same frustration which had plagued me ... I hate these fanatic also ... BUT I AM NOT SAYING THEY MISREPRESENT ISLAM ... THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM....

In Islam

1)There can be No clergy ... then how can these people claim that role

2)Islam`s political order is essentially and inherently secular... Prophet was an exception because he was also the Prophet of Allah ..

3)I completely agree with you when you say that Pakistan should a tolerant state ... and a secular state .... and that it is not UnIslamic to be a secuular state ...

MY WORD OF ADVICE TO SHIRAZ ....

TAKE AN ISLAM COURSE AT U PENN HARVARD COLUMBIA OR BROWN!

and if you cant come down to Rutgers and maybe take Islamic Ethics .... a course in the formulation of Islamic Law!

Re: Athar-I am -NOT-insecure Shiraz

Mine on the other hands does look appealing - atleast I would like to think so - I thought I should mention that just for your information

Thanks for the info, it was much appreciated..now my life is complete......

Insecure you are not...which is good cuz insecurity is never an attractive quality but neither is vanity...no I take that back, I like vanity in a person, substantiated egos...not come look at me I am sooooo great that I am drooling all over my self....slurp..slurp..

Baby I am so outrageous ... I am ashamed of showing my work to women (which why I write by the way) Yes, have no mistake I write so that I can impress women



If you write to impress women then why are you ashamed to show your work?????....and pray tell how do you go about impressing through your writings....is it the constant ref to your need for sexual gratification and extremely subtle references to your body and manhood...if that is the case just post a picture of yourself in a thong it will be much more appreciated .....

At the risk of sounding like a shrink and continuing the paternalistic psychoanalysis that has been done by others....I would say that you are deliberatly outrageous ...to evoke reactions but moreso to see who can stick around , how many will not shy away and take it without batting an eyelid, and of course how many women will not leave exclaiming tauba tauba......you are basking in all the attention..right??????

Anyways I haven`t explored the pandora`s box on your website...but i am sure it will help to break the mo notony of my other reading material.

Nushmia

P.S I missed the thundering applause...

And I think you are too easy a target for salesmen!! :)...and you must be every saleswoman`s dream come true ..:))

``Will look forward to reading more of your stuff...if it has some of the wit and outrageous sentiments that your posts had :)``

Baby I am so outrageous ... I am ashamed of showing my work to women (which why I write by the way) Yes, have no mistake I write so that I can impress women. I breathe so that I can admire them a breather longer. Maybe not all women - just the women who pay attention to me - who are affectionate towards me :)

As far as ``wit`` goes I personally do not think I am witty I just feel I am kind of witty without knowing it. For e.g. I will be saying something and everyone around me will be giggling and rolling all over the floor (in class) and then I have to stop and ask everyone ``What is so funny?`` and that makes them laugh even more. So I just throw my hands up in the air and go ``I guess someone around here has to be funny``.

Also someone called me a `clown` on this forum. I don`t know what I did to deserve that. Was I juggling? or walking around with a painted face ? I mean I can live with ``witty`` without wanting to be witty but if you call me a clown ...

This is SUCH a typically Pakistani thing. The moment someone descends from a stage amidst thunderous applause (after singing some song) someone always has to say ``Well Pakistan does need a ``gawayya`` ...`` I mean ``gawayya`` is NOT a nice word for a ``golokar``(singer). Words like ``you are such a joker`` are not nice either. My mother likes to call me ``Shiraz Kahani Baaz`` (shiraz the story teller) I mean is that a nice thing to say to your son after forbidding him from singing lest he become a ``gawayya``. I tell you there is no positive encouragement for struggling artists in this world.

Wait till I tell her about my acting career - all her ``mera beta umrika main ungineer hai`` (my son is an engineer in america) Isn`t there a terrible word in urdu for actors ? something that implies effiminate nature ? something that casts doubt on my wide and stout and thick girth of my manhood ?

``I just realized that it is not A Shiraz`s fault ... ``

I agree with that whole heartedly :)

``he is just someone who has rebelled against what he saw ...``

You mean to say we have met ? I have seen you? Well you see, I see many people and seeing people is not bad if it weren`t for the way it see-saws out of my memory. It`s like I am on one end of the see saw and all these thousands of people are on the other end and then suddenly I jump off the see saw and these people come crashing down and out of my memory. Some of them really get hurt through contact with the ground.

`` it is our fault that we have let ourselves deteriorate to this extent ... ``

You are right. I think you should rectify that. Go to a really really tall building - stand on its edge and then look up (towards Allah subhanawatalah) then all you have to do is pray ``Oh Allah everyone has deteriorated to a really bad extent except me- I simply want to remain in your ``gowd`` (lap)`` with these words just jump into Allah`s lap. And don`t forget to remove your watch and clothing and mail them to me (The Taliban called they want their cloths back) I wouldn`t want you breaking your watch. Why ? because you are such a nice and upright Muslim boy (who is so good at following Islam) and who sees around him all these people who are bad at following Islam - everyone except you has created ``monsters`` like me and the Taliban and everyone around you has ``deteriorated`` . Sad, but true.

But maybe you are too humble to say ``I am upright and I understand Islam correctly`` maybe you do feel that you should be included in the ``our fault`` part. In that case dearest brother in Islam what better way to get closer to Allah than jumping into his lap from a really tall building?

:) It`s just an idea. Guess what? I don`t even have to take credit for it. You were coming to that conclusion all along - all by your brilliant ``deteriorated`` self :)

ciao, and tell those 70 houris (eternally virginal) women in heaven I am really envious and having a terrible time in hell with all those sinners & drinkers and party-going people (like Ghalib, Einstein, Mick Jagger, Marilyn Monroe, Zeba Bakhtiar, The Playboy Playmates etc.)

Re: http://rd4.lhric.org/writings/writings.html

Quite an interesting collection of writings and rantings, overall. Naturally, there is an article on `Islam`s pedophile prophet` ... inter alia, which firmly establishes his credentials ...

It does not seem poorly researched, in fact much of the stuff seems well researched. Athar Shiraz Siddiqui/Solitude, is making a valuable contribution to academic enlightenment of all desis by doodling on the net. Its a real pity he hasn`t tried the Paki newspapers for publication of his stuff ... perhaps he should try approaching Dawn magazine ... folio@dawn.com, no doubt he may be the first, proud, Chowkwalla to get a fatwa next to his name ... that should afford grounds for a political assylum case ...

I just realized that it is not A Shiraz`s fault ... he is just someone who has rebelled against what he saw ... it is our fault that we have let ourselves deteriorate to this extent ... that we have created Monsters like Shiraz .... whereas the Taliban are the products of the ``Pendulum effect`` on the other side .... A Shiraz also is the product of the same Pendulum effect but on the opposite side ......

This guy is pervert and is not ok .... Please hospitalize him!!!!!

#: 68 ilovemoney ``My remark was not meant to be racist, I just find the idea of a black shalwar kameez as weird as the idea of a shocking pink with gold thread jeans would be``

Forgive me if you thought I interpreted them as racist. I was merely trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. Mein ``baath ka bathangar`` Bana Raha thah ( I was making a ``talk-angar out of a talk``)

#66 (satyavadi) : ``bold ho kar bhi tumne kounse DESI gul khila liye ab tak. VILYATI LILYs to shayad bohat khilayi hai tumne, lekin DESI GULAB nahi khila paaye tum ab tak. :):)``

(To transliterate for those who hate transilterating and then translating: Despite your boldness what Indo-Pak-Bangali Flowers did you flower? Foreign Lily you probably flowered a lot but Indo-Paki-Bengali flowers you could not flower yet)

phew just doing that made my head ache. Actually I do not think I have flowered or flowered flowers in ANY category, country or race. Some may think I have done flana or flana (this or that) but that took a lot of effort. For some reason everyone I know thinks I am doing great in the women`s department. I LOOK like I am doing well because my friends are doing better but they don`t sound too happy with whatever they are doing (so they are doing bad). I learned very early on through experiences with Muslim women that the extremes of mistreatment. It crushed my soul to be called ``desperate`` and ``needy`` and immoral and ``westernized`` simply because I wanted affection. Unlike them I did not have parents to cuddle with ... unlike them I did not have relatives around me showering me with attention. But it was not the fault of the Muslim girls either - they are very very afraid.

Afraid of Allah, afraid of repercussions from their families, their relatives their fathers and mothers [honor killing , abductions (I was abducted), tortures (been there) , mental brainwashing (been there)] Last night I met Hani -an egyptian Muslim who apostasized. His one lament ``my community did not give me love``. So I am not the only one who was short on love and affection from my community. I dont know about the rest of you guys - maybe thousands bearded men go down on you every day- maybe hundredsd veiled women lift their burqas to make your day every night- maybe you get to cuddle and kiss women in the latrines and then go back to your segregated corners after touching each other to pretend like you don`t do all that ``dirty`` stuff. I dont know. I know no one told me the way to the latrines :) and I had to go really bad.

So I am very glad I have found honest people : men and women who are not afraid to touch and hold me in public. Sometimes though I become sad because they talk about family and they talk about high school friends and sweethearts and lover`s lanes and evening gowns and fingers on delicate glasses and music (that EXCITES) and art (not calligraphy) and people who are desperate like me - things I never had nor ever will - and why ? because we are pure and we dont like the ``dirty`` stuff.

When you mention the ``lilies`` mention them with reverance because they are people who carry their pain in a dignified way, and (the ones I hang out with) share their love without seeking parental, clerical, national, communal approval. I think that is cool.

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