India-Pakistan Reconciliation School

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I think the best thing to do is to approach sister institutions that had branches in the two different countries or istitutions that had pre-partition relationship such as

Aitchison, Lahore = Doon, Dehra Dun

Lawerence College, Murree, Pak = Lawerence, Sanawar, India

Grammer, Karachi = La Martiniere, Lucknow

etc etc

These schools should visit each other annually & hold extramural games. The visits could then be expanded to debates and latter to exchange of students off course keeping in the regards the sanctity and security of our common youth .

Not much funding would be needed as you already have the infrastructure only goodwill on the part of the Headmasters & off course the consent of the respective governments.

The author can initiate this noble cause by sending an email to the headmasters involved.

Good Luck

absolutely dopey idea.

we should focus on srilanka, nepal and bangladesh.

an exchange programme with these countries is certainly welcome.

nchiket

http://www.washtimes.com/world/default-2000814232059.htm

Camps train Kashmir-based militants

By Aamir Latif

SPECIAL TO THE WASHINGTON TIMES

SHIKARPUR, Pakistan — Ahmad Jan says he has trained hundreds of Islamic militants to fight for independence in the Indian-held portion of Kashmir, where stepped-up violence before India`s Independence Day celebrations killed 16 persons and wounded dozens more.

Employing techniques they have learned at his training camps in the Afghan city of Kandahar, the militants use suicide squads to attack military facilities and stage deadly encounters with Indian soldiers, the soft-spoken, 27-year-old explained calmly.

His statements contradict repeated claims from Afghanistan`s Taleban rulers, who acknowledge the existence of camps like that where Mr. Jan works, but say they are used only to train fighters for the civil war in northeastern Afghanistan.

Mr. Jan, a black belt in karate who wears his black hair in long strands, said in an interview that he serves alongside his older brother, Ibrahim, as an instructor for Harkat-ul-Mujahideen, one of the main Islamic groups fighting Indian forces in Kashmir, where fighting with Indian forces has claimed 30,000 lives.

The group, which has a few other camps in and around Kandahar, changed its name from Harkat-ul-Ansar after being listed as a terrorist group by the U.S. State Department.

The group was blamed in 1995 for the disappearance of five foreign tourists, including two Americans, who were kidnapped in Kashmir. One was found beheaded and the others are believed to have been murdered.

Mr. Jan denied that his organization had ever kidnapped or murdered foreigners, including American citizens. But even if it has been branded as terrorist, ``the juggernaut of Jihad [holy war] cannot be reversed,`` Mr. Jan said in his hometown of Shikarpur, 250 miles north of Karachi, where he returns occasionally to visit his family.

Thousands of armed police and paramilitary personnel were in place on the streets of the Kashmiri capital, Srinagar, yesterday, braced for attacks from groups like Harkat-ul-Mujahideen. Today is India`s Independence Day, traditionally a time for attacks by the Kashmir insurgents.

Kashmir`s largest Muslim separatist group, the Hizbul Mujahideen, claimed responsibility for two land-mine attacks on a convoy of buses carrying border guards to Srinigar to help with security. The attacks killed six and wounded 40, 10 of them critically, the Associated Press reported.

Also yesterday, an army foot patrol sighted militants in a remote, mountainous area 160 miles north of Jammu and opened fire on them. An ensuing gunbattle left 10 rebels dead, Maj. Gen. P.P.S. Bindra said. No army casualties were reported.

Mr. Jan said it was the teachings of Islam that led him to join the mujahideen, which sent him for ``special task force`` training at the Afghan city of Khost. He transferred to the training camp in Kandahar two years ago.

``Training of all kinds including martial arts and sophisticated weapons is being imparted in my camp. I am responsible for martial arts training,`` he said of his duties.

Mr. Jan maintained that neither the Pakistan government nor the Taleban movement had any role in the running of the camps.

``The Taleban do not have total control in Afghanistan,`` he said. ``The local commanders and people of various cities like Kandahar have accepted the Taleban regime, but [the Taleban] have no authority in the outskirts of Afghanistan.``

Asked how the mujahideen was able to travel from Afghanistan across Pakistan to reach Kashmir, Mr. Jan noted with a wide smile that the two countries share a rugged 1,375-mile border.

``The Pakistani government cannot control the border with Afghanistan,`` he said. ``There are various ways to enter Afghanistan without confronting the security forces, although they often do not give us a hard time.``

Asked about financing for the training camps, he said there was ``no single person or group`` who provided the money.

``The whole Pakistani nation is behind us. We do not have any funding problems, the people of Pakistan give us more than generously. I can count a number of people who give hundreds of thousands of rupees every month for the cause of Jihad.``

Mr. Jan remained silent for some time when asked about suspicions that some of the money came from the Afghan-based Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, accused of masterminding the bomb attacks that killed 212 persons at two embassies in Africa last year.

``Not exactly,`` he said. ``We do not receive any direct funding from Osama, although we support him and his mission unequivocally.`` He refused to comment further on the matter.

Part II
http://www.indian-express.com/ie/daily/20000813/ina13030.html
When Kargil cover-up failed, Pak showered money to douse the anger

Sadhna(Post 165):

Thanks for the reference to a particular incident. I think you must have read:

`Every thing is fair in love and war.` Obviously the article does not portary any signs of love, so it will fall in the category of war.

Please do care to ponder: [as I do not need any enlightenment here]

- How many wars were justified ?
- How many wars resulted in peace and harmony for all times to come ?

{Oh! How I wished to possess the `wand` from the Grimm`s Fairy Tales and swooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooshh)

/

scout

Hope you haven`t left the maidaan. Perhaps a telegram in the Hindi movie tradition would be appropriate, you choose :-), a)`all is forgiven` or b)`ABC serious, come home immediately`(sent to get the hero home to inveigle him into marriage).

Sadhana

RSaxena!

For you only sign of libelarism is drinking.

How about drugs.

Can a person be liberal and not do drugs.

http://www.expressindia.com/ie/daily/20000812/ina12069.html
``Unmarked tombs, grieving families nail Pak`s Great Kargil lie``
``IF dead men could speak, they would tell the truth. If dead Pakistani soldiers buried in unmarked tombs could speak, their voices would drown out their government and now military regime`s loud and consistent denial of its involvement in the Kargil conflict. Scattered across Pakistan`s high-altitude Northern Areas is evidence of Pakistan`s official role in Kargil that General Musharraf doesn`t talk about. Here are edited excerpts from a meticulously researched report by journalist M Ilyas Khan of the Karachi based newsmagazine, The Herald. ...``

Sadhana

Amusing Amusing!

I thought the article had its emphasis on `Reconciliation School,` it seems the spirit got lost in the little hostile encounters.

Bradaa`rae` Azeez (Asim): Do you have a lot of time in hand ?

Sadhna(161):

:-)))

Re: krashid

``We are not LABELLED Muslims in our country.``

Your whole country is labelled exclusively for Muslims: ``Islamic Republic of Pakistan``...so much for respect for minorities (I know they are all leaving or dead) in your country.

``We are not labelled fundamentalist in our country.``

Yup, only in the rest of the world.

``In fact we can pray and fast and even then be a liberal in approach.``

You a ``liberal``??? ... are you sure you don`t drink?

Satyavad1#160

The difference between Kashmir and Northern areas are many.

1- In Kashmir there is full scale independence movement.

2- In Kashmir there are 700,000 Indian Security personnel to curb the movement.

3- More than 25,000 people (I am giving Indian figure) have been killed in last 10 years in armed conflict.

3- Although Kashmir as a whole is a disputed territory, but the main site of armed conflict is Indian occupied Kashmir.

I think inspite of your opinions on different issues, you will also be realizing that facts have some place in forming one`s opinion.

krashid #159

My post #145.

``Did my words strike a nerve with your dormant concsience to have elicited such a predictable ``i am not guilty but my countrymen are``, sort of a defence.``

You misinterpreted buddy. I hardly absolved myself of any of my country`s deeds, or sins if you will. Reread.

``I am just wondering where you learnt to torture simple, straightforward people like that. Okay, i understand from where you are comeing. your secret is safe with me. :)``

You obviously dont have the secret yet. Just look in the mirror and u will know. :)

``words which do nothing to change the status quo of those repressed people``

Wish you would realize that yourself. your constant self-righteous indignation, moralizing, sermonizing and admonishments on Chowk to Indians, has not done one whit to improve the plight of the Kashmiris.

``words which are a hindrance to making any real progress for obviously your pride cant see beyond yourself, beyong Hindutva party, beyond Hindu supremacist beliefs, and more precisely the sound of yourself talking..``

Firstly, donot start with the assumption that every one who is an Indian, is a Hindu and secondly that every Hindu is a Hindu Supremacist.

As for the ``sound of myself talking``, I love it, as much any normal person would. But with you throwing this same line against everyone who disagrees with you, I have some doubts about how normal you are when it comes to dealing with dissent and dissenters. This is a very cheap way to run down someone who is contending your viewpoint. But then, as much as you would like to believe to the contrary, you havent one bit shown any objectivity when talking about Kashmir on this forum. All you have done is rant against India and Indians, more specifically Hindus; and moralize them. Not once have you tried to engage anyone in any serius debate or argument. All you had to offer is, diatribes against India`s ``repression`` in Kashmir and sermons to Indians who dissented with you. Not once did you acknowledge, any valid points raised by anyone, that would have gone against what you believe and want others to believe.

``So excuse me, if i could not be bothered about reading such empty rhetoric as you and numerous other brethren of your spew here as part of their daily jobs. for some of us have real jobs to go to and a life, thanfully not all of us get paid to do this crappy job which you and a lot of you are obviously revelling in... Atleast, i hope the money is good, meaning they pay you in US dollars as opposed to the pedestrian Rupee?``

Empty rhetoric is better than fallacious hate spewing spruious logic(it cant even be called that), that you so religiously indulge in. Its the same ``foaming at the mouth`` syndrome Asim Hayat. When an Indian doesnt toe your line, counters your argument; you call his talking ``foaming at the mouth``. Is that how much respect you have for freedom of opinion? If that is so, you are qualified enough to become one of those Qazis running Jehadi madrassas in Pakistan. Try it - really, no one will disagree with anything and everyone will share in your passion against India, which you want to believe is for Kashmir.

And you accuse me of being on the dollar payroll of propogandists. Seems like, the ISI us paying you in ``pedestrian rupees``, and thats causing all the heart-burn.

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krashid:

You know very well my opinion on Kashmir and Indian and Pakistan, and I will not repeat it.

As for the Northern areas, all the info I got was from Pakistani newspapers. And all the sops that you cited were being offered to the Northern Areas people, have been and are being given to J&K in India. So please, dont make them a justification for anything.

And also no matter how much Pakis posture, its hard for me to believe that Pakistan`s interest in Kashmir is altruistic. Its all about rivalry between the two countries and ideologies; and not about the rights of Kashmiris. Pakistan is in no position to be the conscience-keeper of India, it has not earned itself that position. So the disagreement will continue and I see no compromise, it will be a defeat for one party. I hope its for yours.

Satyavadi

Sadhna #156

I would be interested in reading H. Rahman commission report.

Is it authentic or another Ganga aeroplane.

Or you don`t know.