Good advice for Pakistanis
Veeresh Malik May 2, 2003
#63 Posted by JayJay on May 7, 2003 8:40:32 pm
#62 by stuka on May 7, 2003 10:50am PT
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#61 Posted by tahmed32 on May 7, 2003 8:39:50 am
ZafarA #60 jayjay is not boring at all. It is these dumb india-pak warriors who are the bores. Going on and on about the same stupid bullshi!t.
It is nice to have someone talk some sense on chowk sometimes, like jayjay.
It is nice to have someone talk some sense on chowk sometimes, like jayjay.
#60 Posted by ZafarA on May 7, 2003 6:36:33 am
Reply Jayjay #58
``I would like to have both Hindu and Muslim views on this myth (or is it?). ``
Boss, if you were less boring you would get more responses. Just friendly advice.
``I would like to have both Hindu and Muslim views on this myth (or is it?). ``
Boss, if you were less boring you would get more responses. Just friendly advice.
#59 Posted by JayJay on May 7, 2003 4:57:01 am
Dear m_souza and Tipu
It is good to see you blokes becoming friendly again. Being an ignorant Paki, would you please enlighten me if it is true when they say that you would meet a walking and talking ``Pakistan`` if you scratch any secular Indian-Muslim? In other wards, the love of secular-oriented politics is only a facade which suits Indian Muslims. (An example is their quick transition from the communal Muslim League to secular Congress after 1947). I would like to have both Hindu and Muslim views on this myth (or is it?).
It is good to see you blokes becoming friendly again. Being an ignorant Paki, would you please enlighten me if it is true when they say that you would meet a walking and talking ``Pakistan`` if you scratch any secular Indian-Muslim? In other wards, the love of secular-oriented politics is only a facade which suits Indian Muslims. (An example is their quick transition from the communal Muslim League to secular Congress after 1947). I would like to have both Hindu and Muslim views on this myth (or is it?).
#58 Posted by veeresh on May 7, 2003 4:57:01 am
Thank you everybody for the interacts, this article was written in a hurry in a sort of blue mood so please forgive us our tresppases.
#57 Posted by m_souza on May 6, 2003 6:57:51 am
#56 by Tipu on May 5, 2003 9:04pm PT
+ Souza
Dont get me wrong i dont recall you telling me that a Pakistani had told you .It was an ignorant Muslim may be but if my word is worth anything i will protect a Indian hindu with my life against a Muslim fanatics.I have nothing against normal hindu or Hinduism.I dont even think about differences b/c we both were born what we are .Like our colour height & race is beyond our control and therefore should never be basis of discrimination of politics.
I hope you dont feel bad about my posts . +
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Now that was nice. Let all Indians be friends..no race, colour or religion consideration.
Here at ‘chowk’ we do act differently sometimes.. take out the steam...
In actual situation, the middle and higher class Hindus and Muslims(Indians) do not have any complexes/tiff. As office colleagues or as school or college mates we hardly ever think of the religion before making friends. As next door neighbour..well it depends on individual case..but there can be a trouble between same religions too.
Paki Muslims don’t realize that Hindus and Muslims belonging to say any one state..say Hyderabad or say Punjab or UP..are more similar to each other than Hindus belonging to different states. They look the same… dress almost the same…same language….eat similar food(except haram/halal issue)..but pray to a different God..so what.
No worries mate..I don`t mind your posts
+ Souza
Dont get me wrong i dont recall you telling me that a Pakistani had told you .It was an ignorant Muslim may be but if my word is worth anything i will protect a Indian hindu with my life against a Muslim fanatics.I have nothing against normal hindu or Hinduism.I dont even think about differences b/c we both were born what we are .Like our colour height & race is beyond our control and therefore should never be basis of discrimination of politics.
I hope you dont feel bad about my posts . +
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Now that was nice. Let all Indians be friends..no race, colour or religion consideration.
Here at ‘chowk’ we do act differently sometimes.. take out the steam...
In actual situation, the middle and higher class Hindus and Muslims(Indians) do not have any complexes/tiff. As office colleagues or as school or college mates we hardly ever think of the religion before making friends. As next door neighbour..well it depends on individual case..but there can be a trouble between same religions too.
Paki Muslims don’t realize that Hindus and Muslims belonging to say any one state..say Hyderabad or say Punjab or UP..are more similar to each other than Hindus belonging to different states. They look the same… dress almost the same…same language….eat similar food(except haram/halal issue)..but pray to a different God..so what.
No worries mate..I don`t mind your posts
#56 Posted by Tipu on May 5, 2003 9:04:28 pm
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#55 Posted by m_souza on May 5, 2003 6:27:59 pm
#51 by Tipu on May 5, 2003 10:58am PT
We living overseas don’t miss anything that happens in India.
+http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13796-2003May4.html
A Leap of Faith in Indian Politics
By John Lancaster +
But I expected this from you Tipu. An Indian Muslim will defend a Paksitani Muslim and whatever shit he says. Thanks.
Why would an English man (Christian) write any better things about Hindus than this one?? They pick and choose funny things and exaggerate … but there are many others who are so engrossed in love of Lord Krishna, more devoted than Indians.. as I have seen in Hare Krishna Movement on Australia..so many of them Buddhists too..
Christian missionaries are still trying their best to convert Hindus to their religion. As they know that if they try to convert a Muslim (who is a convert already), they will be slaughtered in the name of Allah.
And an article about politicians to be trusted?? Do we have any reason to believe that the rest of countrymen will do silly things these politicians are doing or saying?
Although if one worships a cow or if one doesn’t like the idea of killing a cow as it is a life-giving animal..then what is wrong with this??? ‘Not to kill’ is better than ‘killing’ anyway. But this rule should apply to other animals too..
It is a free country..it also lets muslims beat themselves ‘ya Hussein..ya hussein’..till blood comes out…..who cares!!!
Don’t Muslims or Christians have so many rituals which a Hindu may not relfish??? But it is a free world..who r we to interfere and maek fun..
Although cow-dung is used as fertilizer by all Indians including Muslims…so if an Englishman makes fun of this aspect ..he is laughing at all Indians. And about drinking urine?? You also know it that 99.99% of Hindus can’t even think of drinking it rather they also laugh at this. But we all might have unconsciusly been treated by some other medicine at some point of our in life..which could be worse than `cow urine`.
Although when people eat non-veg halaal(even haram)..bakraa etc everyday....most of them are eating and drinking all sorts of flesh and meat..clean or dirty..and even eating that animal’s private dirty parts….without realising it….Especially poor people who can’t even clean the dirty areas they live in..areas I have visited for my research....I wonder how much urine plus germs they drink /eat in their meat..
And lots of people eating from one ‘thaali’..how hygienic it is???
But wow… I am indeed amazed at your ‘Muslim brotherhood’.
Instead of saying to me “Look Souza, we all know what that ignorant Paki Muslim said to you was wrong. Being an Indian, having seen the lifestyle of Hindus closely ..I know Hindus don’t drink anything like this. These are the things mentioned in ancient textbooks but nobody follows them”
But no …why would you say this to me?? You are a Muslim first and then an Indian.
And instead…You have tried to prove your ‘Muslim Paki Brother’ right by bringing up this article by an ‘angrej’ at chowk. Indirectly you are saying that Hindus do drink it. Here is the proof.
This is the reason Hindus in India can’t be close to Muslims…because Muslims will go to any length to put Hindus down ..provoke them and when tables turn…then they themselves go whining and crying “Look at the majority community..it is racial..we can’t live peacefully in India”
Muslims are soooo united that even if what your ‘Idiot Pakistani muslim brother’ said was not at all right.. you will stand by him..support him..even though you haven’t even seen him…..even if he is not from your country India…see how you have tried to provide evidence in his favor…
Keep it up…good!!!!!! And keep bearing the consequences.
We living overseas don’t miss anything that happens in India.
+http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13796-2003May4.html
A Leap of Faith in Indian Politics
By John Lancaster +
But I expected this from you Tipu. An Indian Muslim will defend a Paksitani Muslim and whatever shit he says. Thanks.
Why would an English man (Christian) write any better things about Hindus than this one?? They pick and choose funny things and exaggerate … but there are many others who are so engrossed in love of Lord Krishna, more devoted than Indians.. as I have seen in Hare Krishna Movement on Australia..so many of them Buddhists too..
Christian missionaries are still trying their best to convert Hindus to their religion. As they know that if they try to convert a Muslim (who is a convert already), they will be slaughtered in the name of Allah.
And an article about politicians to be trusted?? Do we have any reason to believe that the rest of countrymen will do silly things these politicians are doing or saying?
Although if one worships a cow or if one doesn’t like the idea of killing a cow as it is a life-giving animal..then what is wrong with this??? ‘Not to kill’ is better than ‘killing’ anyway. But this rule should apply to other animals too..
It is a free country..it also lets muslims beat themselves ‘ya Hussein..ya hussein’..till blood comes out…..who cares!!!
Don’t Muslims or Christians have so many rituals which a Hindu may not relfish??? But it is a free world..who r we to interfere and maek fun..
Although cow-dung is used as fertilizer by all Indians including Muslims…so if an Englishman makes fun of this aspect ..he is laughing at all Indians. And about drinking urine?? You also know it that 99.99% of Hindus can’t even think of drinking it rather they also laugh at this. But we all might have unconsciusly been treated by some other medicine at some point of our in life..which could be worse than `cow urine`.
Although when people eat non-veg halaal(even haram)..bakraa etc everyday....most of them are eating and drinking all sorts of flesh and meat..clean or dirty..and even eating that animal’s private dirty parts….without realising it….Especially poor people who can’t even clean the dirty areas they live in..areas I have visited for my research....I wonder how much urine plus germs they drink /eat in their meat..
And lots of people eating from one ‘thaali’..how hygienic it is???
But wow… I am indeed amazed at your ‘Muslim brotherhood’.
Instead of saying to me “Look Souza, we all know what that ignorant Paki Muslim said to you was wrong. Being an Indian, having seen the lifestyle of Hindus closely ..I know Hindus don’t drink anything like this. These are the things mentioned in ancient textbooks but nobody follows them”
But no …why would you say this to me?? You are a Muslim first and then an Indian.
And instead…You have tried to prove your ‘Muslim Paki Brother’ right by bringing up this article by an ‘angrej’ at chowk. Indirectly you are saying that Hindus do drink it. Here is the proof.
This is the reason Hindus in India can’t be close to Muslims…because Muslims will go to any length to put Hindus down ..provoke them and when tables turn…then they themselves go whining and crying “Look at the majority community..it is racial..we can’t live peacefully in India”
Muslims are soooo united that even if what your ‘Idiot Pakistani muslim brother’ said was not at all right.. you will stand by him..support him..even though you haven’t even seen him…..even if he is not from your country India…see how you have tried to provide evidence in his favor…
Keep it up…good!!!!!! And keep bearing the consequences.
#54 Posted by m_souza on May 5, 2003 6:27:59 pm
#23 by Tipu on May 3, 2003 2:00pm PT
18 Souza
+ I just changed few words here to indicate every body name there children from nobel & historical figures not b/c they are descendents but to be like them.There are claments iIndia of being descendents of Tipu but no body even govt recognize them. +
Descendents of Tipu are not recognised?
What about Rana Pratap? Jhansi ki rani? Maurayas? Were the descendents fo these brave hindus recognised by mughal rulers? WAs Guru Gobind singh or Angad dev recognised?
India does recognise the worth of any good king..muslim or hindu or whatever. But go to pakistan and see all the traces of Hindus removed..so much they hate hindus(ancestors of many of them)..
So why should Hindus worship all Moghul rulers who were not even their ancestors? And yet we value good kings like Akbar/his wise man Birbal...and appreciate the art works of others.
18 Souza
+ I just changed few words here to indicate every body name there children from nobel & historical figures not b/c they are descendents but to be like them.There are claments iIndia of being descendents of Tipu but no body even govt recognize them. +
Descendents of Tipu are not recognised?
What about Rana Pratap? Jhansi ki rani? Maurayas? Were the descendents fo these brave hindus recognised by mughal rulers? WAs Guru Gobind singh or Angad dev recognised?
India does recognise the worth of any good king..muslim or hindu or whatever. But go to pakistan and see all the traces of Hindus removed..so much they hate hindus(ancestors of many of them)..
So why should Hindus worship all Moghul rulers who were not even their ancestors? And yet we value good kings like Akbar/his wise man Birbal...and appreciate the art works of others.
#53 Posted by m_souza on May 5, 2003 6:27:59 pm
#23 by Tipu on May 3, 2003 2:00pm PT
18 Souza
+ I just changed few words here to indicate every body name there children from nobel & historical figures not b/c they are descendents but to be like them.There are claments iIndia of being descendents of Tipu but no body even govt recognize them. +
Descendents of Tipu are not recognised?
What about Rana Pratap? Jhansi ki rani? Maurayas? Were the descendents fo these brave hindus recognised by mughal rulers? WAs Guru Gobind singh or Angad dev recognised?
India does recognise the worth of any good king..muslim or hindu or whatever. But go to pakistan and see all the traces of Hindus removed..so much they hate hindus(ancestors of many of them)..
So why should Hindus worship all Moghul rulers who were not even their ancestors? And yet we value good kings like Akbar/his wise man Birbal...and appreciate the art works of others.
18 Souza
+ I just changed few words here to indicate every body name there children from nobel & historical figures not b/c they are descendents but to be like them.There are claments iIndia of being descendents of Tipu but no body even govt recognize them. +
Descendents of Tipu are not recognised?
What about Rana Pratap? Jhansi ki rani? Maurayas? Were the descendents fo these brave hindus recognised by mughal rulers? WAs Guru Gobind singh or Angad dev recognised?
India does recognise the worth of any good king..muslim or hindu or whatever. But go to pakistan and see all the traces of Hindus removed..so much they hate hindus(ancestors of many of them)..
So why should Hindus worship all Moghul rulers who were not even their ancestors? And yet we value good kings like Akbar/his wise man Birbal...and appreciate the art works of others.
#52 Posted by m_souza on May 5, 2003 6:27:59 pm
#49 by Dilshad on May 5, 2003 10:20am PT
``And if you think Sword is used against one conversion give one such incident.
What stops Millions living in UK USA fromconverting to other religions if they are forced into being Muslims??????
In India what stops 140 million muslims despite hardship being Muslims what Stops them from becoming Hindus..Sword? Sword of Whom ...? I bet Army will protect & give 21 gun salute to such a muslim .But they do not ..Why``
Dilshaad...o naadan..
sword did its work when they were being converted to Islam.
The rest is done by Islamic books...the fear of hell....
A muslim grows up with such ideas and notions all developed and conditioned and reconditioned that there is no God but Allah(the first and foremost condition of embracing Islam is to reject everything else)..and so a msulim can`t even dream of converting..well mayeeb soem did to another `Al-kitaab`..as Islam doesn`t hate al-kitaabs..only the kafirs and idolators are to be hated..the first condition of Islam...pehla `pocha` dimaag kaa..ke apna pichla sab bhool jao..iidhar udhar kisi aur ke relgion ko bilkul nahi dekhna..dokhaj.zahanum me jaogey nahi to...
+ I bet Army will protect & give 21 gun salute to such a muslim .But they do not ..Why``+
And u r wrong. No hindu will feel happy if sub-continental muslims reconvert to hinduism. Tum jahan ho wahin raho, aur nahi reh saktey to paksitan chaley jao..
But Indian govt would be happy with more and more moderate muslims(and now hindus too) around..
If Islam is so charming then why are people from inside India not still continuing the conversion to islam with the same zeal as during mughals?? Very very rarely does any such conversion take place.
When did it stop? Why did it stop?
Obviously after the mughal rule ended there was noone to force...
``And if you think Sword is used against one conversion give one such incident.
What stops Millions living in UK USA fromconverting to other religions if they are forced into being Muslims??????
In India what stops 140 million muslims despite hardship being Muslims what Stops them from becoming Hindus..Sword? Sword of Whom ...? I bet Army will protect & give 21 gun salute to such a muslim .But they do not ..Why``
Dilshaad...o naadan..
sword did its work when they were being converted to Islam.
The rest is done by Islamic books...the fear of hell....
A muslim grows up with such ideas and notions all developed and conditioned and reconditioned that there is no God but Allah(the first and foremost condition of embracing Islam is to reject everything else)..and so a msulim can`t even dream of converting..well mayeeb soem did to another `Al-kitaab`..as Islam doesn`t hate al-kitaabs..only the kafirs and idolators are to be hated..the first condition of Islam...pehla `pocha` dimaag kaa..ke apna pichla sab bhool jao..iidhar udhar kisi aur ke relgion ko bilkul nahi dekhna..dokhaj.zahanum me jaogey nahi to...
+ I bet Army will protect & give 21 gun salute to such a muslim .But they do not ..Why``+
And u r wrong. No hindu will feel happy if sub-continental muslims reconvert to hinduism. Tum jahan ho wahin raho, aur nahi reh saktey to paksitan chaley jao..
But Indian govt would be happy with more and more moderate muslims(and now hindus too) around..
If Islam is so charming then why are people from inside India not still continuing the conversion to islam with the same zeal as during mughals?? Very very rarely does any such conversion take place.
When did it stop? Why did it stop?
Obviously after the mughal rule ended there was noone to force...
#51 Posted by Tipu on May 5, 2003 10:58:24 am
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#50 Posted by soundmeister on May 5, 2003 10:20:04 am
veeresh-bhai
aap pagal hai. undoubtedly. this article proves beyond all reasonable doubt.
thank god for small mercies....
rock on...
aap pagal hai. undoubtedly. this article proves beyond all reasonable doubt.
thank god for small mercies....
rock on...
#49 Posted by Dilshad on May 5, 2003 10:20:04 am
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