Riffat Jahan December 24, 2003
#5 Posted by lazybear on December 29, 2003 7:08:54 am
Interesting comment.
But there appears to be a degree of circularity in the argument, dont you think ?
I mean people who are corrupt are by definition those who have ``left Quaran and Sunnah``, so the arguments MAY be reduced to ``people are corrupt because they are corrupt``.
It may be more constructive to understand WHY people have deviated from Quran and Sunnah. It appears to me that the article suggests that ONE of the contributory factors may simple be that the low wages do not allow an honest person to avoid temptation.
While some experience suggests that this is indeed ONE factor (Highway Police, Rahim Yar Khan Health project. etc.), i suspect even the provision of a ``living wage`` may provide limited gains if not accompanied by a significant improvement in governance.
But there appears to be a degree of circularity in the argument, dont you think ?
I mean people who are corrupt are by definition those who have ``left Quaran and Sunnah``, so the arguments MAY be reduced to ``people are corrupt because they are corrupt``.
It may be more constructive to understand WHY people have deviated from Quran and Sunnah. It appears to me that the article suggests that ONE of the contributory factors may simple be that the low wages do not allow an honest person to avoid temptation.
While some experience suggests that this is indeed ONE factor (Highway Police, Rahim Yar Khan Health project. etc.), i suspect even the provision of a ``living wage`` may provide limited gains if not accompanied by a significant improvement in governance.
#4 Posted by anew on December 26, 2003 7:41:56 am
All sections of Society inclucding `Ulema`, Judges, Teachers, Doctors, Military, Government officials and even working classes are corrupt and dishonest. The main reason - curse of ALLAH - for leaving Quran & Sunnah. But a `liberal muslim` can find another 101 reasons from lack of education to law and order.
#3 Posted by Naqshbandi on December 25, 2003 7:55:01 pm
No. It is not. A perfect example of politics corrupting a person is that of Allama Prof. Tahir ul Qadri whose political aspirations meant he has had to make a lot of compromises on religious points thus losing him the once-massive support he had amongst pakistan`s overwhelming Sunni-Barelvi majority. He could have been a bright future...but politics is by nature corrupt which is why, generally, traditional ulama have not got involved in it and most ulama still do not.
#2 Posted by anew on December 25, 2003 6:49:16 am
The corruption is not limited to only Politicians or Policemen; whole society is corrupt barring few.
When corruption prevails...
http://muslim-canada.org/corruption.html
#1 Posted by hossp on December 24, 2003 11:21:35 am
Here we go again!!! Politicians are corrupt. Policemen are corrupt but the generals who are lording over the country betraying all, destroying the constitution and laws of the land are pious, fair-minded and incorruptible. My foot.
What is the criterion of corruption? Because politicians take money they are corrupt but generals flaunt laws, take grants, kick backs, cuts, commissions, plots and jobs after retirement and an enormous pension package, they are not corrupt.
If the policeman is a symbolic reference to others in uniform then I got to agree with the author that they are corrupt to the core. Let’s get into that later.
First take the corruption of “politician”. True there are some politicians’ at very lower levels that are corrupt as probably they do take money for favors. But then how many at lower level of influence in Pakistan that don’t take money?
Why politicians need money-To run for elections and to maintain their political parties.There is no country in the world where politicians don’t take money for those reasons. All politicians are not feudal or industrialist. Most of them, even in Pakistan, are middle class and they have to rely on some sources to pay expenses related to election campaigns etc. In some country the practice has been made legal. In the US politicians solicit money thru lawful channels. In Pakistan and many other countries, this has not been the case.
Whenever and wherever you have elections, interested groups will come forward and back some politicians of their choice with money or any other means. That is the nature of the beast called democracy.
Create fair channels and most of the so-called corruption by politicians in Pakistan will melt away. Yes. There may be some who find it hard to mend their ways but slowly a democratic process will take over.
I am not going into the corruption of Ayub and his family, Zia, his cronies and his family and many others in that regime. We will also find out about corruption in this admin once they are part of the history. Until then they and their cohort can continue calling civilians “corrupt”.
One has to be totally naïve to fall for BS of LFO and local bodies and educating the masses before the democracy etc. There is not much difference in conditions between Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka. India, to a great extent and other countries to some extent, still administer a fair democratic system managed by similar type of politicians. Some time we find some corruption in there but that is all individual. Pakistan army has institutionalized corruption and then claims that politicians are corrupt. You have to be not only naïve but also stupid to fall for it...and write for it too.
What is the criterion of corruption? Because politicians take money they are corrupt but generals flaunt laws, take grants, kick backs, cuts, commissions, plots and jobs after retirement and an enormous pension package, they are not corrupt.
If the policeman is a symbolic reference to others in uniform then I got to agree with the author that they are corrupt to the core. Let’s get into that later.
First take the corruption of “politician”. True there are some politicians’ at very lower levels that are corrupt as probably they do take money for favors. But then how many at lower level of influence in Pakistan that don’t take money?
Why politicians need money-To run for elections and to maintain their political parties.There is no country in the world where politicians don’t take money for those reasons. All politicians are not feudal or industrialist. Most of them, even in Pakistan, are middle class and they have to rely on some sources to pay expenses related to election campaigns etc. In some country the practice has been made legal. In the US politicians solicit money thru lawful channels. In Pakistan and many other countries, this has not been the case.
Whenever and wherever you have elections, interested groups will come forward and back some politicians of their choice with money or any other means. That is the nature of the beast called democracy.
Create fair channels and most of the so-called corruption by politicians in Pakistan will melt away. Yes. There may be some who find it hard to mend their ways but slowly a democratic process will take over.
I am not going into the corruption of Ayub and his family, Zia, his cronies and his family and many others in that regime. We will also find out about corruption in this admin once they are part of the history. Until then they and their cohort can continue calling civilians “corrupt”.
One has to be totally naïve to fall for BS of LFO and local bodies and educating the masses before the democracy etc. There is not much difference in conditions between Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka. India, to a great extent and other countries to some extent, still administer a fair democratic system managed by similar type of politicians. Some time we find some corruption in there but that is all individual. Pakistan army has institutionalized corruption and then claims that politicians are corrupt. You have to be not only naïve but also stupid to fall for it...and write for it too.
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