Who is a Muslim?

GILL SAAB,
adaab.with all due respect what is this obssession with a person believing in prophet muhammad?why should he be considered the foremost enlightened one?by god there are others too!
why am i saying this?well because of this little clause of yours u have actually divided people into so called believers and non-believers. whenever there is a division there is no equality.because no two thinghs can exactly be the same.

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In Pakistan anybody who calls himself a Muslim is required to fill up a `Hallafnama` which is perhaps forwarded to Allah as it it is only He who can determine the authenticity of that Halafnama and accept it. But when I go to India I can call myself whateve I like, even a Muslim, without being called upon to prove my faith. But what if Hindu Mullas come into power there and declare all muslims as `Mallichhas` and `Untouchables`! In Pakistan the mulla has made a mockery of religion. As their religion according to Allama Iqbal is `Deen-e-Fassaad` why should they not be declared as `Non-muslims`?

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mohammad gill`s article sheds light on the sorry state of affairs the muslim world is in when we call ourselves muslim but can`t agree on what a muslim is exactly. we need to lose our holier than thou attitude and need to stop killing others just because we feel they are not practicing islam in its true sense. who are we to be the judge of that. i say stop being so trigger happy and right the wrongs within urselves before pointing fingers at all and sundry!

cipram #204 Excellent advice! :-)

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sattar #202 my blood pressure is fine, and my life is fine too. you are the one who is furious at being exposed, and cant write a post without posting abuse.

tahmed,

… problem is not out there … but with your moral pretensions and cyber jihad. And I am secure enough about myself … without needing assurances … least of all from a cyber prick like yourself …

… and I am getting tired of your delusions … and would make this my last visit. Send me an e-mail if you need to get something off your chest … otherwise your blood pressure will kill you. Good luck with catching people on chowk …

… so long jackass … and send me a postcard from hell … the one you are currently living in …

sattar #200 Having being caught trying to pass rumors about a female chowk poster, you first tried to hide behind your age (until reminded that you were a grown man), then (shamelessly) behind your wife, then your community, then the entire world!!

Having run out of places to hide, you are reduced to seeking the ultimate refuge of the mullah: a shower of abuse.

Your abuse means nothing to me. It merely exposes the kind of animals all you damned mullahs are.

tahmed …

… no one gives a flip about your cyber jihad …not even the alleged victims you are trying to save. You act like an unwitting lunatic ... and if you be nice to kids in your neighborhood ... may be they’ll let you in on this little secret … chowkies are blunt regardless ... and turn off your self-righteous rambling when it becomes too annoying …

… things would look fine to you also … if only you get your head out of your rear and stop the pointless cyber jihad of exposing people on chowk. You feel insulted … rightfully so ... since any mention of your self-aggrandized morality amounts to an insult … and it should … so you should stop acting like some morality mullah from downtown kabul who has nothing worthwhile doing ...

… your issues have nothing to do with others … but only with your own silly obsessions and moral pretensions … and you are only getting delusional and bitter with age ... sorry if this sounds tad bit harsh ... but therein lies the crux of your problem ...

sattar #198 The world is fine. It is you who (as you admitted) was spreading rumors about a female poster on chowk.

First you hid behind your age, then behind your wife, then behind your community, and now you try to hide behind the whole world. You can write insults to me, but you cannot hide from the truth.

I see you now imply that your motives behind spreading rumors were pure! I wont call you a jackass for making such a dumb statement, and I wont make references to parts of your anatomy either. You are doing a very good job of defining the kind of an individual you are.

You keep trying to be clever, and I will keep exposing your nonsense. Until I get tired of wasting my time with you, then I will stop.

tahmed,

The problem is not with the world out there … but merely in your head … which happens to be stuck in your rear. This explains your twisted views … and why you think you need to launch a moral crusade …and catch people on chowk. It’ll all be ok if you can actually stand up straight …

… which is why I asked that you see a proctologist … or if necessary, mrs sattar can dislodge your head from your posterior by a swift kick in your pants …

Your speculation on my motives is dead wrong … once again. You continue to twist my words out of context. I know you are not that naïve ... but you do this anyway … apparently on purpose. Such antics complement your filthy mindset that I highlighted in points 1,2,3. You are a worthless cyber jihadi … with self-aggrandized delusions … and an ax to grind ...

… so sahib … please stop acting like a jackass … and don’t be upset if I fail to take you seriously …

sattar2 #196 I will make an exception and respond to this post because you actually said something that comes close to making sense: ``And who ever heard of picking up women by starting rumors about them? ``

So you admit that you were trying to start rumors about a female chowk poster. And you apologized to her as well. HOWEVER, you apologized to her not because she was wasting any more time with you, but because I got on your back.

Since you keep dragging your wife back in, this is what I suggest you do: Have your wife read the entire discussion, starting with your trying to start rumors about a female poster, continuing with my admonishment against such mischievous behavior while pretending to discuss religion.

Unless you have completely subdued your wife under a burqa (while you happily start rumors of female posters on chowk), I think sir that your wife will apply that chhittar I referred to earlier (and which you now delicately refer to as her expensive left shoe) to your behind, not mine. She may indeed thank me for admonishing you for your mischievous behavior on chowk while pretending to discuss religion.

You may now proceed to bury this post under a heap of abuse. Thus demonstrating the mindset of the mullah.

And yes, this is indeed my final, final post to you (while retaining the option to respond if I feel like it).

tahmed sahib,

As I explained earlier … you are a sick man with an ax to grind. This you hide behind a moral crusade.

This is again obvious from your comments about my post. If you read it without twisting it … you’ll notice that … your associations are a product of your own filthy mindset. And who ever heard of picking up women by starting rumors about them? But this thought crossed your mind ... and that says something about you ...

… you are now denying that your comments about mrs sattar tried to belittle her. Rest assured .. she is a secure woman … and would be happy to land her expensive left shoe in your rear …

... and finally ... keep seeing your proctologist regularly. And if he ever reaches for an electrical probe, don`t panic. Such drastic treatment may be your only chance. Report back when you are feeling better ... (pardon me sahib ... if I fail to take you serously ...)

sattar #194 Last post to you: You may call my taking you to task for talking about religion while trying to pick up women whatever you like, but it resulted in your apologizing to the woman in question for your cheap behavior. My references to mrs. sattar were geared to remind you that you were a married man - so dont try to hide behind her. And as usual, I see you also hide behind your ahmedi community - learn to take responsibility for your actions. I couldnt care less what community you belong to - it is your hypocrisy and cheap behavior on chowk that is my only concern.

I will let you have the final word, since I know you will not be able to rest until you do. (This should put you in a bind, I think).