They Came From the Brothel

Re: # 45

very true!

I think you need this medicine more than anyone else here.

1. Take it as many times a day as you can
2. If it`s too bitter for you, then talk to my hand (I`m sure your western experience has taught you the art of speaking to a hand)
3. When tired, go back to 1

Repeat the steps for the rest of your Ahmedi life and don`t look for respite, `cause there ain`t none por ju home boy.

BTW, I`m honored by Urstruly`s good ``affects``.

#44 ... burping like an ape ... makes an argument not
(it`s merely the Urstruly affect on you)

Re: # 43

rrrrrrrright....un huh uh huh...sure. whatever !

Syed (#36):

Towards the end of the post you forgot to mention … and this is why fornicators and adulterers should be killed.

What you left out suggests that your solution is worse than the problem itself.

Urstruly (#38):

Thanks for reminding us of the golden rule. Now, would it be acceptable to you if you were imprisoned for offering namaz?

What you left out suggests that you are the problem.

Re: # 37

I meant ``twisted sister`` as in the the ``twisted`` mind.If one is against prostitution one should not hire a prostitute.As far as i know, there has never been a social distaste for sexuality.Infact, quite the opposite, that those who police society have to throw roadblocks to lower the speed, so to speak.If the writer is from pakistan, and such social distaste for sexuality is widespread, so be it, and as an outsider, on reading about it, as in this article, i am entitled to my views and opinions which are obviously based on the society, city and country i live in.If we can accept all our viewpoints, in civil discourse and disagree, then we should be prepared to accept the same in society.For those who want to visit prostitutes, there should be prostitutes they can visit.It is a service and the providers should be recompensed for the same.Caveat Emptor.

unbelievable

#39 by Urstruly:

...as a matter of fact you can post this post at zehra rizvi`s board as well...

#40 by ntsyed:

Which board are you referring to...

koi samjhai
koi uksai
koi na samjhay
koi na samajhna chahay

;)

Re: # 38

Thanks Urstruly!

Which board are you referring to. I`m not following one by miss rizvi.

M`as-salaam

Re: # 36

as a matter of fact you can post this post at zehra rizvi`s board as well, just by replacing the words prostitution with fornication.

Re: # 36

All reasons are valid, but first and foremost is ``Don`t do anything to others` mother, sister, daughter and wife, what you don`t want others to do to your mother, sister, daughter and wife``. But man is arrogant. he always thinks that he can get away with doing whatever he can to others.

Re: # 35

Dear Cayenne,
On what you commented, I would like to post my apology. However, your reference to `twisted sister` is uncalled for, incest is not just a spinoff. It is a fetish, found in abundance in siblings, most of the time to be thrust under the carpet. We all have deviated from the actual issue, what the author probably intended. The scenario posed by him was quite naturally placed. What is needed to appreciate, is the social distaste for sexuality; even though every moralist would be found fondling him/her self in a most perverse imaginative illusion possible

What those kids were doing was nothing extraordinary, but acting just like men to whom food has been refused; what would those men do. STEAL IT!

What Amrita Jee has commented has a lot of substance. We shouldn`t just bypass it.

Polygamy has reason to it, and Amrita has put it, quite succintly.

Re: #27

why is someone who pays for sex pathetic ??

Because,

(a) he’s dehumanizing the woman by rendering her entire existence as nothing but a glorified inflated sex doll of flesh, blood, and bones that sets its own price for the body while relinquishing her integrity, dignity, and everything else that comes with it.

(b) he’s dehumanizing himself by projecting himself as nothing more than a glorified vegetable or prosthetic flesh and blood appendage attached to an animal who is slave to his hormones, or simple a penis with some money.

(c) he is raping a woman, the only difference is that she is allowing him to penetrate her out of a necessity or two – e.g. life threat or starvation, etc – if he pays her enough.

(d) he may be risking his life in terms of contracting venereal diseases, since no condom manufacturer provides 100% of safety

(e) if he’s married or has a steady partner out of wedlock, he may be risking his partner`s health and life, and probably that of his child(ren)’s too

(f) he doesn`t care if she is exposing herself to same health risks, and thus endangering the health and even life of her steady partner or husband and probably her children as well

… and even ok to rent your body..as in physical labour....but not ok to make money by renting out your body for sex ??? Why ?

For renting out her body…as in physical labour…she could sue a person/company for non-payment of wages, whereas a prostitute can’t even pursue a john legally if he doesn’t pay her. Plus no health coverage provided by the employer as no insurance agency will underwrite her.

now in saying this I am assuming that it is not forced

Keeping in mind that a woman can be “forced” into this profession in different ways, economics being only one of them, how does a “client” determine if the prostitute is “forced” into it or she’s volunteering? Even amongst the independent prostitutes, how many do you think can’t wait to get out of it and how many wish to stay in this business for as long as they can? Most of the reports from all corners of the world say that ALL prostitutes wish to get out of this racket as soon as they can, but can`t due to one reason or another. Can you describe ``forced`` in any manner other than the last sentence?

anyway I was saying that I cant find anything per se wrong with this act

I’m sure you don’t going to a prostitute, but do you think you’d allow your mother, sister, wife, or daughter to take up this profession? If you can’t then you’d be guilty of double standards…wouldn’t you be?

Summary
Prostitution breeds:
two-way exploitation (i.e. men exploit women and women exploit men);
human slavery, because it’s a lucrative business;
break up of homes and families which affect the children more than anyone else involved, and mostly negatively in terms of economics, love, mentoring, etc;
STDs since no condom manufacturer claims 100% safety and most venereal diseases are still incurable;
illegitimate children for whom the fathers seldom take responsibility, if ever;
infanticide, …

I’m sure you can come up with all other problems that directly and indirectly negatively impact the society at large if you think rationally and not just logically. Logic is a subset of rationale and it only goes so far. For example, even mass murderers and serial killers use “logic” to justify their offenses, like “he/she was abused as a child”, but rationally he/she would be still be wrong and perpetuating a wrong, either personally or judicially, doesn’t make it right.

Is it objective enough for you?

What gets me is that our “intelligent”, “enlightened”, and “liberal” people of this forum (except for amit), particularly women, remain silent on such inane questions. Perhaps they are just as confused on this issue.

Interestingly enough, to this lot, a woman having sex with her husband is often used as being a slave and property of the man. Yet ‘renting it out’ to total strangers with enormous risks of all kinds is “liberation”. WOW…talk about breach birth of a jackass.

If it remains the trend then perhaps this nation, or any nation that thinks like this, deserves to be annihilated beyond recognition. Contemporarily we can witness the falling apart of most venerated Westernized societies (that taught our liberal these values), hanging by their fingernails, i.e. military strength which erodes sooner than people realize.

Re: # 32

Capitalism all about `commodities`. We all are. You and me also, dear Cayyene


Dear Eintingeist,
I`m available for sale to the highest bidder.The market always wins!.And, don`t belittle the world`s oldest profession.I respect prostitutes more than i do feminists.That is my prerogative and i`m entitled to it.And you, yours.I am against anything that is illegal, unlawful or violent towards any woman.I treat all women with respect even if i vehemently disagree with them on issues.I find this article poor and in bad taste and that is my opinion and, i am entitled to my opinion.The author should have signed this essay as ``Twisted Sister``.Be more appropriate.My opinion.

Sincerely,

cayenne

Re: # 31
about time buddy - look back and read your own posts... who first paid attention to whom? and as for respecting other people`s opinions.... LOL!!! This from a guy who wants to write letters to the govt. As i said, Read Your Own Posts.

and while you`re at it, read what other people write before you reply to them. And the ignore button can be found on the edit page.

Re:wasif2

The reason for this mindset is because sex is essentially a very complex aspect of human behavior and a very powerful force. There is certainly the physical component which all of us, especially men, can relate to right away. However, there is also an emotional component which we should not underestimate, since it can have profound psychological impact on people, especially women.

If a relationship is good, no problems. But if it gets messed up or ruined for some reason or other, it can derail people`s lives. I am sure you have heard of crimes of passion where people are willing to lose everything they have and basically go temporarily insane and do absurd stuff due to the side-effects of broken relationships. Hence society has always tried to keep this powerful force in check since it can create havoc. In addition, there are always fears of disease and illegitimate children.

In my opinion, nature is cruel to human beings in that we are basically doomed to mediocre sexuality for most of our lives. The reason is because there are 2 attributes that makes sex enjoyable - the novelty of the partner and the level of connection with that partner (i.e. someone you really like or not). These two attributes are mutually contradictory except at the start of a relationship. If we get to know a person and really connect with that individual at a physical/emotional level, the resulting chemistry is very strong and intoxicating at first. However, as you spend more time, the novelty wears off and the passion cools off. So the sex also drops in intensity level. If you just go for prostitutes or one night stands, you constantly get the novelty but you never connect with that person, so the sex is not that satisfying either. Either way you are messed up. I guess, the optimal thing is to have a hybrid model :-), where you have a long-term partner and indulge in some side activities. But how many of us can pull off such things in life?

Thank You Zohair Vazir. Keep it up Amrita! And my dear Cayene, start doing some home work. May I suggest Kathreen MacCinon, for a starter in Feminism. Prostitution sure is another evil thrown in our face, by Capitalism. By the way Capitalism did not start with America. It is the mindset of mankind, embedded in every percievable act of `man`, which is unnnatural. And all most all acts of `man`, are against the dictates of nature.
If sex (in all its beauty) is consensual, within the `rule of harm`. What harm takes place is beyond me. Woman, however is not a `slave`, nor a `commodity` for sale; but then isn`t Capitalism all about `commodities`. We all are. You and me also, dear Cayyene

Re: # 30

Learn to respect others` viewpoints and opinions.And what gives you the right to accuse me and call me `creep`?.Who are you?.Miss Manners?.Surely not, going by your own writing.I have the right to my opinions, right or wrong.If you don`t like my opinion, DON`T READ, DON`T RESPOND..If you do, then be prepared for my defense.

This article has nothing to do with sex??.....I quote,``The women had been sometimes beaten and on occasions forced to have sex with men who were old enough to be their grandfathers``.Unquote.

On other boards??.I comment on what i see.Don`t call me names like `creep` again and i`ll give you the respect you deserve.I`ll ignore you.