A Decision to Regret General Note:
Do i need to repeat? I hate doing that. A legal action may resolve many prevalent inconsistencies on this site for all times to come! Beyond that, I owe NONE any explanation!


Anil:
Sorry, I have no desire to be at a place where ``semi-educated-male-trash`` who should be cleaning gutters in south asia than being here, resides and spills their frustrated minds off and on. It`s not us vs them at all. I think you are a solid person so don`t lose your mental vision. But I do PITY the unfortunate poor women[without any options] who are in any way or shape attached to ``the trash`` as wives, mothers, sisters and daughters. Trash is trash! These women will procreate and produce the same kind. Garbage in, Garbage Out! I just hope and pray they are not able to produce any male kids. It`s adding to the already existing filth.

Ironically, the majority on Chowk belongs to mentally undernourished, physically imbalanced, morally bankrupted, spiritually robbed and emotionally frustrated retards.

Sour truth!

Time to leave.


Sherdil:
Thanks for the response to my questions. I am sorry I would not be interacting on this ``trashy site`` any more, so no more questions from my end.

I understand the tribal wars will continue as they have been. No matter what any Educationist Aqil or Baligh says, the only way out for Pakistan would be, to have a strong dictator, as a leader[Pres. Musharraf cannot leave now], the rest of the trashy men[regardless of their regional affiliations]with 6 yards of shalwars, uncouth persona, dead-brains, spiritually and morally bankrupted selves, bulging bellies and disgustingly-ugly-hairy-attire will drown Pakistan in no time.

The writing is pretty much on the wall for the ones with some vision and insight. Take Care!

A Decision to Regret Macho Sac:

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I was identifying the trashy males on Chowk. There is a good number of male trash on Chowk who is an insult to the very existance of human beings. I said ``good number`` and I didn`t say ``all.`` OK! Do not dare to come back with another $hitty plea that you have poor eyesight. If all of you are physically so unfit why do not you get yourself treated top down. I indeed lumped you in that gutter-level category and I stand by my assertion. Beyond that, you and your ilks are not worth a minute. I suggest any male who has the urge to talk about his sick fantasies[you have been doing that quite often...] should share them with their poor unfortuante and helpless family women. None of the females on Chowk write or interact to read trashy men`s trashy fantasies. Ali1 better make a note as well before he is dealt with properly.

No respect and No regard! I have never considered you and your ilks worth a respect anyway. Now, that you are married, at least you have something to occupy your macho-frustrations with. Congrats!



Dost-Mittar:
Thank you for your offer. I would have to turn it down. I`d rather let someone else do that favor as none of these ba$tards[identified as well as unidentified]are worth even looking at as well as being given the privelege[of getting jootian]. They are just here to chant about their brain which is located in the lower part of their bodies and that`s why they are so damn screwed up!

A Decision to Regret Anny:

Please do not ask anyone to go for any apology. OK! And any one who dares to talk about ``mutual apology`` will get a slap right across his face followed by jootian!!!

You are living in a fool`s paradise:a rogue cannot become a saint. Similarly, a male b * * * * *d[there are quite a few on Chowk]cannot write sense. This * * * became more obvious as he has been writing under different names. There are a few others, Pakistanis of course, who deserve equal jootian for the trash they produce: What is ali1? What is sac? What is hamidm? I have ignored nonsense many times as I do not find it worthy of any attention. But I think if you do not express your disgust on the written nonsense, people see that as sign of weakness than anything else. As Chowk has a VERY little MALE % with a backbone and any brains, therefore it`s becoming essential to kick such elements in their weak shins. Duffers are not capable of producing anything else, except for chanting about their insecure little male-hood[that`s the only thing they can hold on to. Isn`t enough though!]. While a eulogy is being written in the honor of male-sickos on Chowk, I would also like to applaud the women who bore the above mentioned three stooges!

Lastly, do not get carried away by reading the sweet talk of any sick element[Bapu, Shah and for that matter ``half-dead`` StudeBaker]. A person`s substance NEVER changes. Just like the ones who speak aborrent and disgusting language with words abae[repulsive] and bhai[sickos] would stay in their disgusting and sick world till their death! You cannot do anything. Just accept their repulsive identities and move on! You cannot interact with a repulsive and sick male thinking that he will be a saint while he is in conversation with you and will go back to his original self later on. This will be the height of stupidity.

As far as ``Chowk Staff`` is concerned, they are in the same category of disillusionment. If a website manager cannot manage the contents that are spilled on their website and allows trash, then they become a party to it. All the more reason they need to be taken to task as well[i.e. a legal action would wake them up pretty soon]. Their incompetence is becoming pretty obvious and probably should be defined in their charter. That way, the interactors will have to take a stand, if they have the time and interest. Apparently, it`s way beyond Incompetent Chowk Staff`s capabilities to manage this site, which is becoming a full-fledge trashy-male-zone, and they should not burden themselves with something that`s beyond them.

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A Decision to Regret Chowk Staff:

I think you need to ban this ba$tard[Bapu, Shah and his kids] who is writing under different names alongwith the few sick male perverts on Chowk. I understand there are a few who enjoy sick jokes and trashy posts, but majority does not write and interact here to learn about the trashy men and their thought process. You need to kick out your editors for allowing such posters. This is not the first time. This is becoming a routine -- off and on!

I strongly feel that you also need to change your motto from ``A place where all can think, write and read`` to ``A place where only trashy South Asian Men can come forth with their porn thoughts and upbringing, thinking that they are sitting with their family women.`` Hope you`ll accept the honor with open arms!!!


General Note:
I skimmed through the gutter post after reading Anny`s instructions to the ba$tard. I have never cared to read trash and trashy posters on Chowk any way, but ended up skimming through the poster`s post. I am glad that he confirmed my belief that a good number of South Asian males should have been aborted than delivered. It`s a mistake stupid women do, to deliver retarded male kids out of equally retarded males, and create a cancer for the society. Great, we have a living proof on board.

Lastly, just to reemphasize for all times to come: Any male who uses the language ``abae``` deserves proper jootian. I simply abhor this verbiage. And if I ever came across this verbiage again then the person will receive proper treatment. Now, I am sorry I won`t be doing that favor myself as my jootas are pretty nice and expensive, I won`t waste them on trash. Hope the point was well-noted!

A Decision to Regret Binifer:
Sawal Pur Zyada Tawajjau Mut Doa! Sawal Kae Context Ko Samajhnae Kee Koshish Karo. While doing so, you will learn a lot. OK! Now, please go and fix the tassles of that backless dress. It seems the tassles are fighting with each other and as a result have developed a lot of gunjalaen. You do not want to wear a dress with so many issues :D

Scout:

Your question to Binifer has made me subtract 10 points from your evolving-process. Now you are back to ground 0 :D

Anny:
I am unable to understand your reason to waste your energies on a few toat batoats on Chowk. Why do not you prescribe them some drug and leave them on it for a while? Check back after a week to see their progress. Your post to Stuka was very well put. Please devise a standard message for the ill-mannered bhalloos and little toat batoats. Just quote that every now and then. No need to waste your efforts on people who know very well where they are wrong but want to provoke for the sake of it. These are sadistic tendencies and should be handled carefully.

Good Luck(B), Take Care(S) and Best Wishes(A) to all.

A Decision to Regret Studebaker:

Please keep this cheap way of addressing ``Abae...`` out of this board! In real life, I would have slapped the fellow who dared use this word in my presence. This will be my last post to you! After reading that, you can go to hell and party with fellow bhoot and chura`lae`n.

You are sick, sadist and real sick!

Take Care.

A Decision to Regret Studebaker urf Khiskae Hoae` Lunatic:

I sincerely suggest that you see an optometrist, followed by a visit to a neurologist[Nope. Only for humans. Octopus should head out somewhere else]. Firstly, the post was addressed to Sherdil and secondly, your joke was in very poor taste. Thumbs Down!!!

[Response 2. --Sara ramayan parh diya Bibi Jamalo ko pata hi nahi Sita kis ke biwi thi -Lol he, he]

It`s Bi-Jamalo`s prerogative to inquire, clarify, understand, dissect, rip apart, bury, invoke, provoke, slap, pat, fume, hug, or enjoy. OK!

Phir?

Warning: Next time, avoid such ``% *

Reporting on Afghanistan War Is Not a Vehicle for Social Agendas

Tuesday, October 30, 2001
By Wendy McElroy

There is no question that the oppression suffered by women under Afghanistan`s Taliban government is intolerable. But as feminist voices gain volume in the complex political climate surrounding the United States war on terrorism, it is important to remember why the U.S. is engaged in this fight.


The proximate cause of the current conflict is the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11 — not the oppression of Afghan women. The stated goals of the war are to punish those responsible for the hijackings and to prevent further terrorist attacks — not to achieve equality for women in Afghanistan. If the American military is used as a vehicle of social justice — whether the cause is racial equality, gay rights, or equity for women — the world will be at perpetual war.

And if feminist conditions are placed upon the peace negotiations, it will be disastrous. At worst, the cultural differences inherent in such conditions would doom peace talks to failure. At best, such conditions would place an immense burden on the already Herculean job of creating a lasting peace between Afghan tribes and factions with very different notions of women in society.

But though using the American military to enforce social causes such as feminism — even if the causes are good ones — is counter to the objectives of the military and U.S. diplomacy — this is what the most prominent feminist organizations are attempting to do by demanding that the U.S. configure a post-Taliban government in Afghanistan to ensure full participation for women.

As a matter of law, Afghan women are denied the right of free association, access to medical care and education, the right to an unbiased trial...the list of crimes against women scrolls on. But most feminist voices are now insisting upon more than protecting Afghan women from harm. They are demanding equality of representation in power. For example, the left-wing Feminist Majority is circulating a petition that reads, in part, ``We must help ensure that Afghan women`s rights are restored and women are at the center of the rebuilding of the country.``

The National Organization for Women has posted an Action Alert which reads, ``We need your help to demand that the U.S. include Afghan women Leaders ...`` in the post-war government and ``at the table`` in the peace negotiations. NOW asks supporters to phone and send e-mails to President Bush, Secretary of State Powell, Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chair Biden and U.N. Secretary General Annan.

The Washington-based Women`s Alliance for Peace and Human Rights in Afghanistan, along with other feminist groups, is asking not only the U.S. but also the United Nations to make recognition of women`s rights a precondition for peace. They have already delivered a rough draft peace plan to the U.N.

This is not a call to fund refugee camps, schools or hospitals — humanitarian measures with no necessary political overtones. The demand that Afghan women be fully represented in the peace negotiations and post-war government is a blatantly political demand for equality for women.

To their credit, NOW and the Feminist Majority have publicized the horrors of the Taliban. To their shame, they are now trying to use the war and U.S. foreign policy as a tool to impose a social agenda upon Afghanistan and, perhaps, upon some allies as well. An increasing amount of criticism is being directed specifically toward Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt.

Such demands might be dismissed as wartime opportunism by a special interest group if Senators were not listening and nodding their heads in approval.

On October 15th, the Feminist Majority proudly announced that Senator Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., had won passage of an amendment to the Foreign Operations Appropriations Bill that included Afghan women in the establishment of a new Afghan government. Boxer reportedly called the war on terrorism, ``an opportunity to return women to their rightful place in Afghan society.``

Under Boxer`s amendment, the U.S. government`s foreign policy would be used to impose a ``social good`` on a foreign nation. The American military would be used as leverage to force a non-western culture to abandon its attitudes and some of its religious practices regarding women.

Feminists are being hypocritical. On the ``700 Club`` television show of Sept. 13, Rev. Jerry Falwell declared that feminists and gays bore some responsibility for the terrorist events of Sept. 11. The backlash was swift. On Sept. 14, the Feminist Majority excoriated Falwell for attaching his own agenda to the tragedy.

Now it`s the feminists who are viewing the war as an opportunity.

Consider one example. Afghanistan`s powerful Northern Alliance — the military and political opponents of the Taliban — has been openly critical of the Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan, the group that has emerged as the main voice of Afghan women. NA representatives have accused RAWA of being a communist front. Whether the accusation is accurate or not, it illustrates the difficulties ``feminist`` demands would create at a peace table.

For arguing that the war is not a feminist issue, I will be branded as ``anti-woman.`` What I am really trying to do is separate humanitarian issues from political ones in order to help women. A lasting peace is the prerequisite for improving the lives of every human being in Afghanistan. It is in that peace where Afghan women will almost certainly make remarkable advances. The global attention and money now directed at their cause almost guarantees this progress. It can occur through diplomacy, global pressure, the funding of women`s rights agencies. But any ``advance`` for Afghan women that occurs due to a fear of U.S. or U.N. military action is unlikely to last.

Equality for women should not be put on the peace table for negotiation because it is not part of the war and could be an obstacle to peace; and it is an enduring peace that is the key to restoring human rights to women in Afghanistan.

Right Burqa, Wrong Lips On this board, one can only say one thing:

``The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast.`` (O.W)

:)
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A Decision to Regret Lastly,

``As long as war is regarded as wicked, it will always have its fascination.`` (O.W) :(? :)?

A Decision to Regret URS:

There is another idea :) Cook some saa`g and get some fresh rotis(or make some if you are good at that). The aroma may excite them and they may come to you on their own with their respective stories. Ideas and stories aside, I would like you to consider my suggestion seriously. I have also heard and read many pyari batain of Sheikh Saadi(RE) when I could not understand him :)Now, when I look back, they remind me of the nut-khut me.

PS: My past post should read ``meet`` instead of ``met.``

A Decision to Regret URS:

A belated happy birthday! Hope that`s the right answer to all the dilemmas :) By the way, did you ever go to the jungle and met some animals to get their take on certain world issues? If you did, would you please be kind enough to share your notes with all the readers? Thanks in advance.

Kind Wishes.
Happy Halloween.

A Letter Home Binifer:

It`s completely up to you where you want to go. Your hell may be someone`s heaven and vice versa. By the way, you will be taking a major step in your life pretty soon. I hope that it was your own decision than otherwise. If you could make that decision on your own then you ought to be able to decide on the sleeves and the back of your dress. Should not take very long :)

Take Care.

A Decision to Regret Sherdil:

a) Who killed Abdul-Haque? Talibans or Pakistanis? I was hearing the news today and it was implied that the Pakistani Supporters of Talibans were part of his murder.

b) I just wanted to understand something here. I am not sure how the tribal system works, but do the tribal folks give precedance to their clan over their country/land? Is there any such rule?
Watching the news on the extremist-Pakistanis, marching to the borders to support the Talibaans, made me question the extremists` true affiliations.

Personally, I feel these men need to be requested to leave the land, by submitting their id-cards if any, so they cannot reclaim their identity, with respect to Pakistan, in any way. This step will at least push this malignant element out of our society. If they leave any women or children behind that would be a riot. Their families should be sent away with them. So all the ties are completely cut off.

c)The recent murder of 16 christians in a church was a horrific tragedy.

This is so damn sad and confusing in a way. On the one end, we have spokesmen chanting on Jinnah`s concepts of an ideal state, whereas on the other end, such horrific episodes are right in front of our eyes. Then we have idealistic academic ideologies on institution vs individuals. If a responsible individual tries to create an institution but does not find suitable leadership to carry on the flag of his institution then where does the ``liberator`` stand.

I simply have no words to express on the tragedy. It`s sad, depressing, cruel and inhuman. On another board, Mr.Shah spoke of Civilized World...somehow if these are the attributes of a civilized nation then I do not know what to expect from an uncivilized one. If these are the steps taken in a country that stands for Unity, Faith and Discipline, then I am not even sure what to expect from a place where they do not believe in any of the three magic words.

In these crucial times, the armed forces` role will create history for Pakistan. I hope they stand by their firm stance on suppressing the malignant elemebts in NWFP and Quetta.

A Letter Home Trillium/Terry Burns:

[Zahra: You indeed are right. Pardon my broad brush. I have fine ones as well. I felt I made a difference. I knew I could influence a few and did. Despite the behaviors at the int. schools, there`s a sweetness among Pakistani kids I miss deeply. There`s a sweetness in Pakistan itself I miss as well. I couldn`t stay away from the bazaars and tea stalls. I was obsessed with turning every stone I could find and talking to the people. It drove my wife crazy. When I started grabbing local kids out of dumpsters and off the street to put in government schools my school administrators started going crazy. After two years other teachers began to notice and help with uniforms, supplies etc, eventually began taking on other poor kids as well. I understand the tradition has continued after we left and the kids remain in schools. We educated mostly girls who would eventually educate their own, and that tradition goes on as well. Four years. God, I really miss it all, except of course the things I mentioned in `Letter Home`.]

Thanks for shedding some light on your real work! To me, your response carried a lot of meaning. Thank you for creating awareness in my country!

[It was the blatant corruption that pissed me off.]

No arguments! Your frustration is justified. It`s the same frustration that drove many Pakistanis away from their own homeland.

[I quit fighting it when I realized no one else was fighting it and came home.]

I think you should be happy for the contributions you`ve made. I am sure the ones who were routed to the government schools will remember your gesture when they grow old, so do not be harsh on yourself.

[I`m angry.]

Just let it go.

[My heart is still there.]

I do not blame you :)

[Thanks for seeing through the anger.]

You are welcome.

PS:I am glad that I provoked you to write a great post.

A Decision to Regret An interesting article with a very ironic conclusion. The heading is not the concluding statement, something else is. It covers the series of events from 1990 onwards. It may not be something new that we are reading, but it`s spelling out quite a few things in black and white now. Worth Reading!

Pakistani Intelligence Had Links to Al Qaeda,
U.S. Officials Say
By JAMES RISEN and JUDITH MILLER
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/29/international/asia/29PROB.html?pagewanted=1

Sherdil: Thanks. Is there any difference between a Pathan and a Pushtoon? Or they are part of the same tribe?