Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Sadna,

Thanks for JUI's history.

Now you can elborate on the following:

1. How influential was JUI vis-a-vis JUH factions.
2. Which of today's Talibs or even Islamist parties can be considered JUH elements or JUI elements. I wud presume that JUH elements who gravitated to JUI post 1946 shud be treated as JUH rathers than JUI-ites. Just as Unionists who defected to the League post 1946 shud be treated essentially as Unionists rather than Leaguers.

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Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Sadna,

If YLH is correct, JUI was a minor non entity sort. Maybe you can correct YLH on that.

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Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Muthu,

i can understand if you are pained at the splitting up of Bengal and got personally affected and needed someone to blame.

I am by no means pained at the breakup of Bengal, although my father's family is from EB. Rather, I am pained that Bengali Hindoos did not show the same kind of foresight that Punjabi Hindoos and Sikhs showed thanks to local traitors like JNM and the national traitor Gaddar-e-Azam- MKG.

Gandhi as we know is a perfect dhimmi

That incidentally is one of my main grouse against him and his appointee as PM, Jwahirullah imprinted dhimmitude on the whole country.

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Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Harishbhai,

Majumdar bhai, thanks for this Dusshera eve joke

Well, if I can make you smile, it is certainly worth it.

But maybe Jinnahite Pakis like YLH, Arifbhai and Tahmed sahib can confirm whether today's Pak is the Pak of Jinnah sahib's dreams or not. Whether it follows Jinnah's ideology or not?

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Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Sadna,

I think I have explained before that by 1946-47, thinsg were so bad that it was out of folks control. If MAJ (pbuh) is responsible for the bloodletting in West Pak in 1947, MKG and JLN are responsible for the same in East Punjab, parts of UP and Bihar. Incidentally I first made this point to YLH when he was blaming INC, MKG and JLN for the killings in 1946-47.

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Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Sadna/YLH,

My head is spinning with so many Jamaats being mentioned.

Now can you guys clarify which were the various Jaamat factions and who supported what in what period and which of them enjoyed popularity with masses and which were mere paper tigers?

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Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Sadna,

Why did MKG have to keep silent on the atrocities of Moplahs and assorted fundoos against Hindoos? Why did he downplay that? Why did he have to call off NCM after a violence against policemen at Chauri Chaura and not after the Mopah violence?

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Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Harishbhai,

Re: 184

How? Pakistan of today is not the one that MAJ (pbuh) created, in fact ever since his death, Pakistan has negated everything that he stood for. Even YLH admits that. So how is MAJ (pbuh) responsible for the Taliban/SIMI?

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Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Sadna,

1. MAJ (pbuh) quit INC over Khilafat not over the veto in UP/Bombay/CP legislatures.

2. To the best of my knowledge, the Muslim middle classes in Pakistan are not really aware of MKG's nefarious role in the creation of the Taliban. Besides, neither YLH nor I are accusing MKG of creating the Taliban we are accusing him of promoting a strain of thought within the Muslim community which would mutate into the Taliban, among other things.

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Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Sadna,

If ML had to be accepted as the Sole Spokespersons for Muslims, naturally they had to include all sections of Muslims- feudals, salariat and clergy- in it. That is why the inclusion of JUI etc.

Naturally, INC too had to include all shades of opinions within all communities if it was to sepak for all Indians. But you have question the sidelining of the emerging Muslim middle classes in favour of rank fundoos.

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Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Sadna,

Pakistan was almost inevitable by 1945 and if one factionm of JUH saw the writing on the wall, you cant blame them for it. But Pakistan was ML's creation, not JUH and after 1971 they did comments that they were not responsible for the sin of creating Pakistan, unless I am mistaken on the facts.

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Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Yasser,

MKG's role in encouraging Muslim fundoos in India is very well-known, that was the reason he got Comrade Jwahirullah to supersede Patel as India's first PM. The Nehru-Gandhi INC continues its pious role of appeasing vicious minority communalists while ensuring that Muslims remain among the poorest lot in the country very faithfully till date.

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Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Harishbhai,

MAJ (pbuh) began off as an ambassador for Hindu-Muslim unity. Only when he realised the bitter truth at a much later age, that he opted for Pakistan.

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Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity AK sb,

btw where exactly is majumdar?

Here I am.

Mullah Powindah like Mohd Ali Jinnah used the muslim identity as a rallying cry, the goal in both cases was to rid the land of British intruders.

I am glad that you mentioned that MAJ (pbuh) was trying to get rid of Brits.

But in anycase, neither syed ahmad nor baitullah mehsud have anything common with Mahatama Gandhi jee.

I am not saying that MKG was spraying around people with machine gun shots. All I am saying is that he injected an anti-modernist religion based approach to national politics. And like the GOP he used jihad as a tool for political means, for instance his washing over Moplah violence as a means of rallying Muslim support for NCM. He was an enabler.

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Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Harishbhai,

His views on Africans came in 1908 when he was 39 years old. His views on the caste system in 1922 when he was 53 years old- no spring chicken. Besides, it wasn't like he had come from the middle of nowhere. He was a qualified lawyer and he had spent time in London and had been exposed to the works of the likes of Ruskin and Tolstoy.

Someone like Dayanand Saraswati had rejected caste at an younger age and much before Gandhi made these pious statements.

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Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Harishbhai,

A few isolated words like Gandhi's disdain for black people continues were Yassers. The pious sentiments were all Bapuji's.

Besides, I said that YLH had provided a link to his old posts.

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