There is no ‘honour’ in killing
Thanks for placing this whole matter in the correct perspective, instead of the madness being spewed by these ignoramuses.
Re the Dr. Shazia Rape Case which you have mentioned, I had asked the (then) Director Finance (now the MD) of Pakistan Petroleum who's a close friend as to what's the true story. PPL owns the Sui Gas fields on which the rape is alleged to have been committed.
He had simply said "Yeh bohat lamba chakkar hai". You would know what he meant of-course.
Posted by
zeemax
Sep 4, 2008 12:11 am
#22 Posted by HP,Thanks for placing this whole matter in the correct perspective, instead of the madness being spewed by these ignoramuses.
Re the Dr. Shazia Rape Case which you have mentioned, I had asked the (then) Director Finance (now the MD) of Pakistan Petroleum who's a close friend as to what's the true story. PPL owns the Sui Gas fields on which the rape is alleged to have been committed.
He had simply said "Yeh bohat lamba chakkar hai". You would know what he meant of-course.
There is no ‘honour’ in killing
Posted by
zeemax
Sep 3, 2008 07:59 am
As long as you don't drag religion into it, you ignorant socialite NGO type, I'm fine with what you say.
Free to Breed
There was a startling piece of news in one of the columns of Daily Jang today. It was not reported elsewhere. It was that the Afghan Taliban held a meeting and decided not to allow any Pakistani Taliban in their territory to fight alongside them because it had been infiltrated by sectarian and criminal elements under the Taliban name.
Re this article, it has the usual entertainment value of this writer.
Posted by
zeemax
Sep 1, 2008 08:11 am
#4 Posted by majumdar,There was a startling piece of news in one of the columns of Daily Jang today. It was not reported elsewhere. It was that the Afghan Taliban held a meeting and decided not to allow any Pakistani Taliban in their territory to fight alongside them because it had been infiltrated by sectarian and criminal elements under the Taliban name.
Re this article, it has the usual entertainment value of this writer.
Faith and Religion
Thanks a million. I am assuming you would not be too busy.
It appears Murad Bhai is indeed too busy setting up Bio-Energy Plants to answer your two questions, though has plenty of time on hands to write a whole series of wordy nonsense.
Posted by
zeemax
Sep 1, 2008 03:57 am
#85 Posted by Eklavya,Thanks a million. I am assuming you would not be too busy.
It appears Murad Bhai is indeed too busy setting up Bio-Energy Plants to answer your two questions, though has plenty of time on hands to write a whole series of wordy nonsense.
Musharraf\'s Resignation and Beyond
No. People with your mindset are the only nangaa ones.
Posted by
zeemax
Aug 26, 2008 09:16 pm
#270 Posted by bulleya,No. People with your mindset are the only nangaa ones.
Musharraf\'s Resignation and Beyond
I just challenged you on facts, not on your individual interpretation. You couldn't answer my questions.
Everyone has opinions. I wasn't talking about those. But thanks for a good debate :)
Posted by
zeemax
Aug 26, 2008 06:33 am
#241 Posted by ijaz_gul,I just challenged you on facts, not on your individual interpretation. You couldn't answer my questions.
Everyone has opinions. I wasn't talking about those. But thanks for a good debate :)
Musharraf\'s Resignation and Beyond
At-least you should have got the name right. It's Saeduzzaman Siddiqui, and not Saleemuzzaman Siddiqui.
The rest of your post is uninformed as usual, fed by print media character-assassination. You are strong on ideas but not on linking actual events into meaningful analysis.
Posted by
zeemax
Aug 26, 2008 06:31 am
#239 Posted by bulleya,At-least you should have got the name right. It's Saeduzzaman Siddiqui, and not Saleemuzzaman Siddiqui.
The rest of your post is uninformed as usual, fed by print media character-assassination. You are strong on ideas but not on linking actual events into meaningful analysis.
Musharraf\'s Resignation and Beyond
Can you ask hamidm2 that recently 5 women were buried alive in rural Sind, and no one to question the local police. Could this have happened when the droopy eyed CJ was in office?
Posted by
zeemax
Aug 26, 2008 06:24 am
tahmed32,Can you ask hamidm2 that recently 5 women were buried alive in rural Sind, and no one to question the local police. Could this have happened when the droopy eyed CJ was in office?
Musharraf\'s Resignation and Beyond
Ijaz Sahib means Nawaz didn't learn from Benazir's betrayal of Charter of Democracy. See my comment in that respect below. BUT that's not a good parallel with the Murree Declaration. Both were miles apart in implication.
Charter Of Democracy was a document of general principles to be followed SHOULD either of the parties come to power, while BOTH the Murree Declaration as well as 7th August agreement was to take specific measures BETWEEN two Coalition partners already in power. There couldn't have been any unforeseen compulsion for these to be broken by PPP.
Nawaz Sharif would have dealt differently with Benazir had a coalition situation arisen with her, though I think the chance would have been close to zero. Nawaz League would have sat in opposition in the center in her case right from the start. Zardari though, was untested politically - so due consideration was allowed for that by PML-N
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zeemax
Aug 26, 2008 02:22 am
#224 Posted by majumdar,Ijaz Sahib means Nawaz didn't learn from Benazir's betrayal of Charter of Democracy. See my comment in that respect below. BUT that's not a good parallel with the Murree Declaration. Both were miles apart in implication.
Charter Of Democracy was a document of general principles to be followed SHOULD either of the parties come to power, while BOTH the Murree Declaration as well as 7th August agreement was to take specific measures BETWEEN two Coalition partners already in power. There couldn't have been any unforeseen compulsion for these to be broken by PPP.
Nawaz Sharif would have dealt differently with Benazir had a coalition situation arisen with her, though I think the chance would have been close to zero. Nawaz League would have sat in opposition in the center in her case right from the start. Zardari though, was untested politically - so due consideration was allowed for that by PML-N
Musharraf\'s Resignation and Beyond
Thanks. My comments:
1. The Charter of Democracy was with and broken by Benazir. Zardari was an unknown surprise quantity as PPP Chairman after Benazir's assassination.
2. Benazir and PPP were more in contact with Bin Ladin than Nawaz Sharif during the Afghan Jihad. You're aware of Naseerullah Babar's role of-course.
3. PML-N had a seat adjustment with PPP in SIND and didn't field any candidates opposite PPP. The question of not getting any seats in Sind doesn't arise.
4. This appears to be from public's point of view i.e in your opinion the public mistakenly thought he stood for principles - but that's not the debate here. However, re "He thought that the CJ issue is a foregone conclusion and used it as a veto to strengthen his power base. In the end he failed in both", not so. According to the latest IRI Poll, 81% of public opinion wants the judges restored. Nawaz Sharif was right on the mark making the issue the #1 priority on his election manifesto.
5. Which errors of judgment?
6. I'm sure he has his eyes and ears too. Every big time politician does. Depends though how one interprets the information.
Posted by
zeemax
Aug 26, 2008 02:09 am
#225 Posted by ijaz_gul,Thanks. My comments:
1. The Charter of Democracy was with and broken by Benazir. Zardari was an unknown surprise quantity as PPP Chairman after Benazir's assassination.
2. Benazir and PPP were more in contact with Bin Ladin than Nawaz Sharif during the Afghan Jihad. You're aware of Naseerullah Babar's role of-course.
3. PML-N had a seat adjustment with PPP in SIND and didn't field any candidates opposite PPP. The question of not getting any seats in Sind doesn't arise.
4. This appears to be from public's point of view i.e in your opinion the public mistakenly thought he stood for principles - but that's not the debate here. However, re "He thought that the CJ issue is a foregone conclusion and used it as a veto to strengthen his power base. In the end he failed in both", not so. According to the latest IRI Poll, 81% of public opinion wants the judges restored. Nawaz Sharif was right on the mark making the issue the #1 priority on his election manifesto.
5. Which errors of judgment?
6. I'm sure he has his eyes and ears too. Every big time politician does. Depends though how one interprets the information.
Musharraf\'s Resignation and Beyond
He did not learn.
Didn't learn from what? Sorry I'm pressing you but I'ld really like to know where he went wrong.
Posted by
zeemax
Aug 26, 2008 12:45 am
#222 Posted by ijaz_gul He did not learn.
Didn't learn from what? Sorry I'm pressing you but I'ld really like to know where he went wrong.
Musharraf\'s Resignation and Beyond
Exactly. Therefore my question to ijaz_gul.
Posted by
zeemax
Aug 25, 2008 11:43 pm
#219 Posted by majumdar,Exactly. Therefore my question to ijaz_gul.
Musharraf\'s Resignation and Beyond
Ijaz, I had asked you this question on UP as well but didn't unfortunately get your response.
Where exactly do you think Nawaz made a mistake?
I mean, since entering into Coalition with Zardari, at what point did he do something when he should have done the other thing, and what would have been that other thing?
I just want to know how you (and some others) say he's a bonga :)
Posted by
zeemax
Aug 25, 2008 11:24 pm
#217 Posted by ijaz_gul,Ijaz, I had asked you this question on UP as well but didn't unfortunately get your response.
Where exactly do you think Nawaz made a mistake?
I mean, since entering into Coalition with Zardari, at what point did he do something when he should have done the other thing, and what would have been that other thing?
I just want to know how you (and some others) say he's a bonga :)
Musharraf\'s Resignation and Beyond
Sir, Tusi sau chittar wi maro tey hazir. But you never said what should a Pakistani do?
Posted by
zeemax
Aug 24, 2008 10:46 am
#124 Posted by ijaz_gul,Sir, Tusi sau chittar wi maro tey hazir. But you never said what should a Pakistani do?
Musharraf\'s Resignation and Beyond
Yes tahmed, I know your position. But as you know, I have my position. That the Pakistani Taliban (the original ones) are neither blowing up schools nor want to carve out a piece of pakistan. It's been 5 years. Many new elements have joined under the same banner. Much more complicated than before.
Anyway, I'm a dejected person today. I see more mayhem in the short term (in the long run will be OK) and there'll be plenty of unnecessary bloodletting. Totally avoidable.
Posted by
zeemax
Aug 24, 2008 09:49 am
#119 Posted by tahmed32,Yes tahmed, I know your position. But as you know, I have my position. That the Pakistani Taliban (the original ones) are neither blowing up schools nor want to carve out a piece of pakistan. It's been 5 years. Many new elements have joined under the same banner. Much more complicated than before.
Anyway, I'm a dejected person today. I see more mayhem in the short term (in the long run will be OK) and there'll be plenty of unnecessary bloodletting. Totally avoidable.
Musharraf\'s Resignation and Beyond
Actally your banker gave you good advice. I had been advising the same, BUT I had also advised (free) my wealthy investor friends to switch to Dollars as soon as Ruppee hits 67 (it was 65 then), because after that it will go to 75. As it happened it went to 77. They made a bundle.
So you should have consulted me.
Posted by
zeemax
Aug 24, 2008 09:44 am
#118 Posted by hamidm2,Actally your banker gave you good advice. I had been advising the same, BUT I had also advised (free) my wealthy investor friends to switch to Dollars as soon as Ruppee hits 67 (it was 65 then), because after that it will go to 75. As it happened it went to 77. They made a bundle.
So you should have consulted me.
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