Save Me From Charismatic Leaders! Re: # 44 hamzaad re: Why Burraq

To lend a helping hand to Fox. They want to say he is a Muslim. Spread the word.

Burraq, is the legendary horse, lightening fast, upon whom Mohammed is supposed to have ascended to the heavens during miraj (mirage?) ...

Follow the money:

BHO = 61%
JMcC = 39%

This is the breakup for the flow of funds into the electronic futures contracts. This is real money. The market clearly seems to predict an almost landslide for the Democraps.

These 'market predictions' have been consistently accurate since their inception in 1988. That is five presidential races so far. Sixth one coming up now.

...SR

Save Me From Charismatic Leaders! Re: # 39 quin re: US "empire" & Obama

Most readers understand what you wanted to say and, I'm sure many agree with the gist of your argument.

The real owners of America are not stupid. They are fuming at the huge global PR disaster that George W has created. They are mad because they didn't expect him to be such an idiot when they backed him. But he's pissed in their drinking well and they are going to have to do something to undo some of the damage he has wrought. They have, thanks to George W, realised that they can not continue to "dry sodomise" the rest of the world (including the US public)... they realise that from now on they need to use lubrication and use a condom.

Burraq Hussein Osama fits the bill prefectly. He is their lubricated condom.

...SR

Save Me From Charismatic Leaders! DM ["... I don't want Obama to be president..."]

Mittar ji

A nice historical summation of 'the gaffs committed by chrismatic leaders' ... But I am afraid your wish shall remain unfulfilled.

Burraq Hussein Osama (or Barak Obama, if you prefer to substitute a 'B' in place of an 'S') will be the next president of the USSA. No 'IFs' or 'BUTs' about it. He will take more than 35 states and may end up having a Reagan style landslide. His coat tails might just put the senate over 60/40. In fact on THAT the Republicans ought to be taking their last stand. The fate of McPain is sealed with heart ache, as was that of Bob Dull, Walter NonHale, Mike DueTaxes, at el.

(Just follow the money. Bookmakers are giving very lopsided odds... Osama is the hands down favourite. McPain a looong shot.)

You might think I am an Osama (aka Obama) fan. In fact I dislike both John McPain and Hussein Osama. They are both hustlers. One peddles the 'Warfare State' while the other touts the 'Welfare State'... both kinds of states are an anethema to Liberty and Justice loving, constitution respecting American individualists (my candidate was Ron Paul, who unfortunately never had a realistic chance).

Much in keeping with your examples, I fear that Mr. Osama's administration will be long on rhetoric and short of substance. He may even end up committing monumental blunders. A (would-have-been) McPain administration, on the other hand, might have been lack luster and unremarkable -- though we'll never find out.

No one can know the future, for sure, but this is how the tea leafs read.

...SR

Freud and Jung and Their Secret Affairs Re: # 104 quin

Thank you for a very well articulated message. Your argument and style are worthy of respect and are much more likely to stir interest and curiosity about exploring the hidden treasures of the Quran by an open minded and neutral person than the angry rantings of others. If more Muslims who advocate the beauty and truthfulness of the Quran had an approach like yours, Islam would see far fewer detractors than is presently the case. I hope that you will serve as a model and inspiration to others who are too steeped in their small minded and egotistical argumentativeness to do justice to their cause. Defenders of Quran like yourself do far more honor to their faith and its founder than others who take an antagonistic approach.

Thanks for setting a respectable standard.

...SR

Freud and Jung and Their Secret Affairs Re: # 80 Tahir --- uncouth and crass

Dear Tahir

I am ashamed of you. The articulate, intelligent and sensitive Tahir that I thought I had first seen on Chowk was a breath of fresh air. But how wrong you have proved me. You are as bad as Masadi. He too, has valid things to say at times but many people ignore him (I certainly do) because he comes across as a frustrated raving mad looney when he rants and wails, insulting others and calling them names when they disagree with him. You are doing the same, as do some others who are supposedly followers of the Arabian Prophet that they claim was the most modest and kind spoken man. But a tree is know by its fruits. Is this the image you want to project about your faith and its founder? If that is the case you do your own cause a huge disservice.

You and your kind disgust others and if you continue there will be no one left who will lend an attentive ear to your preechings. And you shall have been the instrument of defeating your own point of view in a world of competing ideas and ideologies.

Be decent in your postings at least, even if it does not come naturally. It might do your cause some good.

...SR

Aitzaz’s Monumental Blunder Re: # 187 ["... remind me what the 'lawyer's movement' was about? ..."]

Frankly, no one gives a damn any more and everyone seems to have forgotten, and those who still remember SHOULD forget what it was all about. I heard a claim by many that IF the judges who were deposed under the Nov 3 'phony' emergency were to be restored, 90% of Pakistan's problems will be solved.

Upon hearing of this utopian news I am immediately transported to the happy old days of November 2nd and earlier when the country faced only 10% of the problems we face today.

Ah, those were the happy days. There were no power shortages, there was no atta shortage, no police brutality, no honor killings, no suicide bombings, no corruption, no pollution, no jehalat, no inter-ethnic bloodshed, no sewage mixed with drinking water nor arsenic contamination of water in whole of Punjab (see post in "Healthcare system" article) ... what a different world that was, a mere seven months ago...

This horrible clown, Musharraf, Iamnow utterly convinced, should 'be hanged by his neck until he is dead.'

This criminal imposed emergency that only our great leader, that Nutfa-e-haram, Quaid-e-Awam, had the right to impose throughout his entire tenure i.e, from the day he took oath of office as President and CMLA on December 1971, until the day he was thrown out as PM on July 5th, 1977, by his own creation, that Frankstein monster, Zina-ul-Faq.

Musharraf must be hanged. He should be left to rot, dangling from one end of the hangman's rope, for the capital crime of letting go, scott free, the two pigs he had in his pen: Nawaz Sharif and Asif Zardari. He ought to have placed them in front of firing squards, along with almost every cabinet member of BOTH from BOTH of their previous administrations just past midnight between October 12 and 13, 1999.

The bastard MUST be hanged for at least THAT.

...SR

Aitzaz’s Monumental Blunder Lawyer's stalled movement, etc...

I see that it's a bit late in the day and the discussion has moved on to FATA, WANA, Taliban and all that, but since the article is about the so-called long march, or rather a 'not-so-long-DRIVE' and why and how it ended the way it ended, i.e., like froth that disappears from a puddle of horse piss, let me add a disgusting bit of trivia.

It wasn't the threat of military intervention, as HP suggested (and that seemed like the most logical explaination to me as well), no, unfortunately not. The fact is that today's Kiani led army, busy licking its wounded pride and reputation, neither had, nor has, nor will have -- in the near future, at least -- any stomach for intervention.

The sad and shameful reality turns out to be much more in keeping with the rotten Pakistani political culture. Aitzaz Ahsen, not unlike any of the other prominent politicos (or generals for that matter) turned out to be just another selfish and immoral sell-out. He cashed out big time and betrayed the movement. This is not idle rumour. Time will prove it.

As they say, just follow the money...

...SR

Healthcare in Pakistan, Lessons from Cuba WARNING: GERMS and ARSENIC

Half of Lahore population has been drinking water having faecal contents, and even those living in the so-called posh areas are no exception.

According to a report of the Institute of Public Health, waste discharged from toilet bowels (faeces) has been found in about half of the drinking water samples collected from almost all parts of Lahore. The samples tested by the institute were sent to it by different agencies including the city district government during the first two weeks of the month. IPH's Epidemiologist Prof. Farkhanda Kokab says the institute had tested some 92 drinking water samples between May 1 and 15 and found faeces in 43 of them. "The presence of faeces in potable water is very dangerous and alarming. The authorities concerned must take a serious note of it and do the needful," she said and maintained that posh areas were no exception in this case. "The best solution to ensure the cleanliness of drinking water is to boil it," she suggested.

"Because of the poor quality of water being provided by the public utility, people are switching over to bottled water. The number of bottled water users is going up by the day and the number of such companies is also on the rise. The price of 1.5 litre bottle of water is Rs 30, or equivalent to one litre of milk. This price is about 70 per cent of the soft drink of the same size. Time is not far off when the water, milk and soft drinks will be available at about the same price.

Punjab Environment Protection Department (EPD) Director (Monitoring) Dr Shagufta Shahjahan said the department carried out tests of drinking water samples collected from different parts of the province off and on. In Lahore, she said, 25 per cent water samples were found 'unfit' for drinking in the last survey. She said the department had written to the city district government and Water and Sanitation Agency (Wasa) to chlorinate and clean the water supply lines.

An EPD survey shows that the defective sewerage system is one of the main reasons of water contamination. "Due to defective infrastructure, sewage mixes with the water supply lines. The survey suggests that the discharge of industrial effluents into the subsoil should be banned in order to avoid ground water contamination."

The findings above were released in June, 2008, when it was announced that there is heavy "fecal" contamination in drinking water.....


NOW its been confirmed that there is "arsenic" contamination in drinking water.....



"UNICEF Chief Provincial Officer Dr Deepak Bajracharaya & his team conducted ARSENIC and BACTERIAL surveys throughout Punjab.

Arsenic contamination is widespread throughout the province. Arsenic levels above 10 parts per billion-ppb. (A threat).

Bacterial contamination is prevalent in more than 50 per cent of cases."


WHAT'S NEXT????

These are the REAL ISSUES that are faced by real Pakistanis everyday, yet there is little awareness of these issues even amongst the educated.

There are no protests on the streets about these (and similar) issues, and no suicide bomb threats against WASA, while bogus non-issues like Danish cartoons and so-called "judges restoration" bring out mad crowds on the streets.

How much more screwed up can be our civic priorities in Phukistan...??

...SR

Restoring the Civil Rights of Ahmadis Chowk Islamist hacks into the Chowk server

ISLAMABAD: June 17.

It has been reported by our correspondant in Palo Alto, California, that a renown Chowk Islamist hacker has managed to worm his way around the 'Fire Walls' of the Chowk main server and deleted the Pro-Ahmedi kafir propaganda.

Neither the Islamists hacker (to be unnamed) nor Chowk Staff were available for comment.

Aitzaz’s Monumental Blunder Re: # 4 ["... ( it was not half million people march, only 20-40K came) ..."]

I agree with most everything except the second part of the above statement.

The half a million claim is a bit of "poetic license" on the part of Geo TV/Aitz Ahsn, but 40 to 50 thousand was NOT the TOTAL. I was there... not participating, of course, but lurking around in the shadows, observing from a safe distance. Both of foot first and on bicycle later I scouted around 'down town' Islamabad.

The number of people "inside" the Parade Grounds, where the main media tamasha bazi was going on, the number could well be within the 40K limit. It's hard to tell. However, if you were to go around the area you'd see boisterous crowds, mostly not too unruly,scattered all around 'down town' Islamabad. They were NOT just random crowds. No. Not at 1:30 AM. Everyone there was there, directly or indirectly, because of the so-called long march.

There were at least 50,000 'young boys' (cannon fodder material, 16 to 24) in a two mile radius, that could easily have been galvanised and a massive human assault could potentially have been possible against anything or anyone. But neither AA nor NS were revolutionaries by any means. They are both part of the established status quo and neither wanted (nor dared) to rock the boat that far. The problem is, nothing short of a super-dramma can bring about 'change'...

As for the decision to call it off, I commend AA for yielding to a 'peaceful' though unsatisfactory outcome, than to crossing the Rubicon. But, at another level, I also hold him in contempt for being the verbose but sheepish Marcus Tullius Cicero and NOT a gallant Gaius Julius Caesar.

hazarooN sal nargis upne baynoori pay roti hai
baRHi mushkil say hota hai chaman meiN deeda-ver paida.

...SR

Long March Re: # 31 Ahmed Madani ["... I really do not knw what can happen for better ? ...]

It is emotionally very difficult, to accept a dark and bleak reality when it comes to the prognosis of someone we love dearly. Our minds play strange tricks on us and we do not realise that we are engaging is denial, self-deception and wishful thinking.

(When my mother was in the hospital, before her death, she showed some improvement that we were not expecting. Well, my sister and I embraced each other and jumped with joy and laughed and joked after having been sad and afraid for two days. We wereso sure that mother has come out of danger and will be going back home with us in just a matter of days. That,sadly, was not to be. But my point is that we were completely overjoyed by the small ray of hope that came only temporarily.)

The prognosis of our Pakistan is GRAVE. It was ill conceived from the beginning and it has endured such enormous ravaging that it's demise is inevitable. I do not say this with any joy or glee. But it is a sad reality.

In fact, as long as the existing federal state apparatus is not completely dismantled and thoroughly torn down, brick by brick, there is absolutely no chance of a better system evolving in its place sometime in the future, but tragically, only after several more decades of suffering and exploitation.

The next military take-over will be the final death blow after these corrupt political rats have gnawed at the bowels of this hapless country. The next military takeover will be explosive and bloody and we will see firing squads in town squares. Then there will be splintering of the military and civil war on Yugoslavian scale that will take down many of the corrupt generals also.

The honest and the innocent, sadly, will suffer while the Humayun Akhtar Khans and Faisel Saleh Hayats of the world will be relaxing in Aspin, Colorado. The Nawaz Sharifs and the Asif Zardaris, I hope, will be swept away by the firing squards.

...SR

Long March This tamasha was held less than a mile from my house in F-6. I live only one street in from Nazim-ud-din road so I managed to walk over to see what was cooking. Though I had better sense than to go into the Parade Ground itself, there was ample evidence that this was an unusual event. Later, I bicycled around and there were more people everywhere than I've seen at any public spectacle anywhere.

Whoever says that the crowd was only 40K is either blind or a liar. But at the same time half a millionis also an exaggeration. A quarter million is more reasonable. But this was a veryloose crowd, dispersed over a wide area. So really it depends on how you want to count. If you only count those who entered the grounds then perhaps you'dbe hard pressed to even claim a hundred thousand. But if you looked around and included the free-for-all milling around within a few blocks, the numbers would swell.

It took hours and hours so obviously the body of the crowd was not static, but quite dynamic and its composition was constantly in a flux.

I was greatly concerned about the logistical bottle necks when I learned that there was going to be a 48 hour sit-down. A crowd that large would excrete almost two thousand metric tons of urine every twelve hours, not to mention 37500 kilograms of poop over a twenty four hour period. So even if food and water could somehow be made available, what comesout the other end had nowhere to go. So, I for one, am glad that they called it off when they did.

...SR

Pakistan\'s Nuclear Test - Ten Years Later Masadi-esque ? Chaos -- anarchist's goal...!! Anarchy -- marxist's tool --- soul selling capitalist...?

Wow...!!!

I've been admonished in my time, but never with such ferocity and so elegently. Being compared to "master Masadi" is a new slur word. When it passes on into The New Webster's Unabridged, Chowk dot com must get a citation.

Which one are you?

I am an anarchic-marxist-capitalist, if that means something. But one thing I am not is an extremist bigoted anything. To borrow Naseem Taleb's term, I may claim to be a skeptical empericist.

...SR

Pakistan\'s Nuclear Test - Ten Years Later Re: # 383 HP ["...You are dramatizing it. There are tons of Muslims in Pakistan alone who would condemn this kind of Bigotry..."]

Yes, you are right. Of course I am dramatizing. Everyone knows that. I am a Punjabi Muslim and I, along with many of my friends, have always condemned such bigotry.

That was meant to be a rhetorical statement.

But the point is still that many of those who stoop to the depths of our Danish bombers in the mistaken notion of retaliation against tauheen-e-rasalat are the very same ones who would roll over laughing at the Quadiani mockery video.

...SR

PS: Ref 385 "...Slow down, one step at a time..."

Why? What are we waiting for? Nayk kaam meiN daair kuyuN Why fight the inevitability of the historical process?

Pakistan\'s Nuclear Test - Ten Years Later Re: # 381 HP ["... Baloch need all the support they can GET..."]

Amen to that...

Let the centrifugal forces tear down the edifice of this petty pseudo-empire along with its rotting imperial military, its necrotic colonial bureaucracy and its putrefied feudal aristocracy.

...SR

Pakistan\'s Nuclear Test - Ten Years Later To Muslims who DO NOT tolerate any jokes against religious icons -- of ANY FAITH, or so they claim.

The issue of blasphemy against the shaan of prophet Mohammad is a hot topic these days. In fact, the rear end of the entire ummah seems to be literally on fire ever since the knighthood of that clown Rushdie.

I just want to highlight the acts of those who demand respect for their holy man.

What double standards they have. They would happily redicule the other guy's holy man.

Please see:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=UQXkJXkW1wk

Is there a single Muslim among more than a billion strong who has the integrity to condemn this openly?

Curious minds want to know...