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Denials and twists won't help, stop painting me as a misguided JSQM or whatever guy, ...
and LOL at calling me " illetrate " , "who suffer from an inferiority complex" ,"intense admirers of the Jack-ass"

..etc.etc.etc and etc...

these all are ad hominems .


I have given you an honest view , my personal view , you have the right to disagree with it, but ignoring it is like
deceiving yourself .

so when we Loose , Bangladesh , and start finding scapegoats , we never learn a Lesson.

I mentioned 27-30 Dec , after the Murder of Benazir , it was to underline the CHANGE in the Mindset of Sindhi, and Zardari's attempt , will only temperarily put the matter on the back burner, but if these issues are not addressed with sincerity , they are bound to bounce back.

Same is the case in Balochistan, dismissing it lightheartedly , and blaming Others, won't help again.


Yes you can ignore the ominous signs , thats your prerogative , But trust me they are REAL.

Mohajirs Are People Too

Yes Sindhis had no problem till 71 , because till them, it was all the 'RAG' of Bhaichara , and Pakistan pakistan, etc.
it was only after Sindhi was given its due recognation that all the hell was let loose ,like I said 71-72 were watershed years.

and you want to tell me, that when M A Jinnah declared " URDU " the national language , and Bengalis objected , it has no role in the alienation ...??


and Yes Napier did recognized the importance of Karachi as a strategic Port ,back in 1867 british spent 250,000 pounds sterling on the development of this strategic port, but you cannot dismiss the contribution of Sindhi Hindus and Parsis in the development of Karachi.

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LOL

Standard rheotorics and ad hominems

and also Putting the eggs in the wrong basket.
LOL

Mohajirs Are People Too Re: # 151
and # 150


yes we in a habbit of denials, and explaining away things the way we Like.


70-71 was the watershed , what they call " the Language riots " ...and " Urdu ka Janaza hey zara dhoom say Nikley "


since 47 , immigrants were given the Best city Pakistan could afford, Karachi , no doubt about it, and the natives who were left , retreated into the rural aread, Karachi and Hyderabad and to some extent Sukhar was completely overtaken by " Elite Urdu Walas "

with that came Insistence, of a superior Urdu Culture and its imposition , even to the extent the we Lost Bengal.
beside other exploitive factors , leading to the alienation of Bengal, Urdu too was a Forceful factor.

after 71 , A Sindhi Z A Bhutto , recognized this, and tried to Bring his own language Sindhi , at least on an equal ground, when he bowed to the argument, "In Sindh then why not Sindhi"....
but then that opened up a floodgate of .......Distortions to realities. Sindis were perplexed . How Come they are feeling threatened by the revival attempt of our Language and culture...??and that too in our own land , which has over 5000 years Old historical roots.....!!

Then came 84 , and someone from THEM choose to become a STOOGIE of a Foreign Power, and exploited the panoria of an alienated population , who had no concern of, and was not even interested in what was happening outside their world, ie Just North of Karachi.

Let me give a little background.

Karachi has seen , a number of waves of immigrants, the First in 47-48 and upto late 50's , that changed the demographic composition of not only the city but Sindh iteself.
second , after 71 when people from "the then East Pakistan " landed here, Orangi is a living proof of that, its then , when the civic ammeneties and resources were beggining to get stretched ,creating a discontent ..but these were nearly absorbed , those who came from East Pakistan then started a New Life, and at One time, due to Punjabi-Behari economic partnership , thing were getting back on track, remember SherShah at one time was competing with Faisalabad in cloth production ..but they will choose to ignore it, because it involves their " Donkey " Punjabi , who always shoulders them and gave the mussle power to get their ways.

But the seeds were sowen, when Z A Bhutto , tried an affirmative action , to bring a sembalance to the imbalance , regarding the Sindhi Native representation in the Government ., yes I am talking about the Quota system.
and though their actual percentage in Sindh Population was about 20-22% , a 40:60 parity was adopted.

this action of trying to bring a Balance in representative participation , between the two ethinic communities who were then phycially bi-furcated into Rural-urban divide , was exploited and it still is exploited , to brainwash and zomize an alienated community filled with a sense of victimhood , to the maximum , leading to the voilent lash backs of 80's.

..then came a silent third wave , which started in 80's again from East Pakistan, now those who came, had resentment , resentment against Pakistan for leaving them in the lurch , and this migration , stretched the resources beyond limits, also then 30-35 years of existence ,or an arrogant superiority , its at time time, another event , an international event of monumous proportion was about to happen, Hong Kong, ...

Hong Kong was to ,change hands in 97 ,and a retreated once super power was looking for a possible alternative, they then exploited the conditions to the Maximum .and proped up One from among them , to lay condition till an appropriate time, in Pakistan too, the short sighted Zia joined in, he in order to reign in, PPP , went along and provided all the support.
Hence an ethinic Monter was created , the sense of ethinic isolation deepened with after 89, hordes and hordes of Afghan migrants entered the already brusting at seems with all sort of Problem city or Karachi.

hence , all the things fit in perfectly well, and they managed to wrestle away Karachi from Pakistan.


Musharraf ERA , is another step in this direction , Musharraf's most noteworthy contribution is the Shrinking of the Writ of STATE in Pakistan.

12 May proved that, when the President of Pakistan , in no uncertain terms, declared Un-Officially ofcourse , Pakistans law does not holds good in Karachi, when he refused to even set up a worthless enquiry commision.

Period.

By the way , ever wondered, why their leaders , has been given the coveted " RED Passport " by the Britishs...??

and why he refuses to comeback to his own created FIEFDOM ...??or is he Held Back for an appropriate time...??

and why , they have all sort of International sectriats in nearly all the major countries....??

yes we have seens many political exiles, and though most of them Land in UK, none demands and get a British Passport , hence none even desires to abandon his Pakistani citizenship for another countries citizenship.

yes we do have ,Elites who are propelled by their personal interests and have DUAL citizenships that of USA , but thats another matter.


..Thats the Tip of the iceberg.


..and Unfortunatley , I see 2011 , about to become a reality.


...the grand design that is being unfolded, right before our eyes, and Pakistani nation is in a Limbo. But perhaps, it was an artificial construct .... Period.

there was not Pakistan before 47 , there was no TNT before 30's , if we take Allama's " Khutba " as the starting point.

Mohajirs Are People Too

Let me give you a pointer.


Why , what happened on 27-30 Dec 2007 in sindh ,after Benazir's murder , happened..??

Mohajirs Are People Too Re: # 147

as expected .


you have not read my Last lines.

and let me repeat them ,



" though you can argue , this is a Baised Sindhi site, and it does not mention KHORO as the narrater...
none the less, this shows, how Sindhis Preceive themselves to be treated by the Elite Urdu Walas."


.. You have no Idea how it feels, when in your Own land you are told, your Language your culture is inferior , you have no Idea, how it feels when you are Told , your history starts with US , that is 60 years ago and like the way WE tell you so.

it has nothing to do with being anti-Pakistan etc..etc..etc...as you have tried to portray the Sindhi concerns.

But then Victors Lack, sensitivity to Local cultures.

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About Liaqat depiction of Sindhis as Donkey Cart Walas..

here is another narration of it....


http://yangtze.cs.uiuc.edu/~jamali/sindh/res/documents/moh-sindhi.ht ml


Read para 6 .



"``Two years after Karachi's separation (1948), Sindh University was shifted from Karachi, along with its name to Hyderabad to serve the camel cart and donkey cart culture of the natives of Sindh as Liaqat Ali Khan had chosen to characterize it earlier, during exchange of friendly pleasantries "


though you can argue , this is a Baised Sindhi site, and it does not mention KHORO as the narrater...
none the less, this shows, how Sindhis Preceive themselves to be treated by the Elite Urdu Walas.

Mohajirs Are People Too

Khoro's Quote was somewhere on a Sindhi site , and I am still searching for it...

and for population transfer


Independence and population exchanges
Massive population exchanges occurred between the two newly-formed states in the months immediately following Partition. Once the lines were established,[b] about 14.5 million [/b] people crossed the borders to what they hoped was the relative safety of religious majority. Based on 1951 Census of displaced persons, 7,226,000 Muslims went to Pakistan from India while 7,249,000 Hindus and Sikhs moved to India from Pakistan immediately after partition. About [b]11.2 million or 78% of the population transfer took place in the west[/b], with Punjab accounting for most of it; [b]5.3 million Muslims moved from India to West Punjab in Pakistan, 3.4 million Hindus and Sikhs moved from Pakistan to East Punjab in India[/b]; elsewhere in the west [b]1.2 million moved in each direction to and from Sind [/b]



this is what is written in wikepedia.


source

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India#Independence_and_population_ exchanges

Mohajirs Are People Too
karchi was among the FEW , just 5 if I remember , cities in the EAST , which had " TRAMS " , yes the Monster TRAMS , faulty yes, but then the most advanced form of public transport....

and let me search for Ayub Khoro's quote

Mohajirs Are People Too Re: # 141

Mr majumdar


My Bad , that was a type, yes it was 1.2 Million out of 1.4 Million non-muslim in Sindh.

.and yes this is really unfortunate, that we Pakistani disown pre-islamic culture .

just a little few of what we Disown.

I understand , Regvida the oldest living manuscripts were written somewhere in Punjab , around 1500 BC or 2000 BC

Taxila was one of the most renowned university of its time,
I was reading somewhere [ maybe Dawn ] an article by a geogrpahic professor, and he said, they have found monolithic graves in Gulshan-e-Jauher , a place in Karachi, on some plot, but the owner of those plot quickly filled them up, for the fear of Loss of his plots, which now worths, millions.

... yes Pakistanis lack ,sensitivity to its pre-islamic past , and the distortion of History that started in 47 , to validate TNT is taking its toll.

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LOL


1-When Liaqat Ali Khan , threw away Sindh University , into the wilderness of Jamshoro , Ayub Khoro Objected and asked the reason.

then his famous words, " we do not need to learn about the Gadha Gari Wala " Culture .

Ask any Mohajir migrant , I bet 99% will tell you their grand fathers or whatever migrated in or after 48 , when the worst was over in Punjab, Bengal and to someextent in Sindh.

12 out of 14 Millions non-muslims , Sindhi Hindu forced to leave, this was the educated middle class of Sindh ,leaving a void a gap , which was supposed to be filled by the new educated imigrant , but then these imigrant had nothing in common with the Local, infact they had no Idea , and they still have no Idea of the over 5000 year Old civilization that is Sindh.

Just look at Old Karachi, Ramswani, Hindu Gymkhana, Denso Hall, Jahangir Kothari promenade , Mohata Palace, KMC Building,....etc.etc.etc..... the level of Progress even then in Karachi will be evident, and speaks of the contribution of those who were ...........to leave.

...and about Punjabis, well " Rolling stones gather no Moss " , those we willing gave up their Land, language, culture , for some Insutrument of Manipulation like TNT and Islam , deserve this humilation.

just to point out, the difference between the treatment to the very Punjabis , speaks volume, in the Eastern Part, they are respected, honoured, and treated with grace .
where as in the western part, inspite of all the sacrifices, they are the proverbial SCAPE GOATS for every evil and Ill in this Part of the land .


in 47 , like I said, some one WON a Land on the sacrifices of OTHERS , and some one was wounded.
those who WON , then had the Victor Mentality, hence the contemptious treatment to their Subjects, where as on the other side, they gathered themselved, and put Balm on the wounds, and healed the wounded , with respect, and acknowledgement of Interdependece and mutual betterment.

Mohajirs Are People Too though one is weary about wikipedia as a source, but then it has reference sections.

and accordngly,

14.5 million people were forced to Mirgrate, during 47's population transfer 11.2 million in WEST , it then further says about 1.2 Million in Sind , leaving the rest in Punjab. ...about 78% .

3.2 Million in EAST , and the balance from the Minority Provinces.

it quotes sources as Ayesha Jalal, Stanley Wolpert, and a few others

...while reading on a similiar topic in these very Chowk pages, I remember Ranjit's comment , and in a Nutshell it said, People who migrated from the minority provices brought with them a Victor Mindset, developed in an Highly communal enviroment.

so some one WON a Land, on the sacrifices of Others, Pakistan lacked skilled administrators, and hence IMPORTED quite a number, rememeber Nawab Zada's Plea, and it is said, at some point in time about 70% of the Beaurucracy , hence Establishement consisted on this Imported Administors, with a Victor Mindset.
and like a Victor, the first thing that they Did was undermine the Local Cultures, so the Sindhi became a " gadha Gari wala " Culture, Punjabi Dhagga , and Pathans Niswar eating " Sood Khoors ".

... this Mindset is still there, for example how many Karachities know any thing about the REST of the Sindh, or for that matter about the history of Punjab or Sarhad or even Balochistan ,...... next to none.

Mohajirs Are People Too though one is weary about wikipedia as a source, but then it has reference sections.

and accordngly,

14.5 million people were forced to Mirgrate, during 47's population transfer 11.2 million in WEST , it then further says about 1.2 Million in Sind , leaving the rest in Punjab. ...about 78% .

3.2 Million in EAST , and the balance from the Minority Provinces.

it quotes sources as Ayesha Jalal, Stanley Wolpert, and a few others

...while reading on a similiar topic in these very Chowk pages, I remember Ranjit's comment , and in a Nutshell it said, People who migrated from the minority provices brought with them a Victor Mindset, developed in an Highly communal enviroment.

so some one WON a Land, on the sacrifices of Others, Pakistan lacked skilled administrators, and hence IMPORTED quite a number, rememeber Nawab Zada's Plea, and it is said, at some point in time about 70% of the Beaurucracy , hence Establishement consisted on this Imported Administors, with a Victor Mindset.
and like a Victor, the first thing that they Did was undermine the Local Cultures, so the Sindhi became a " gadha Gari wala " Culture, Punjabi Dhagga , and Pathans Niswar eating " Sood Khoors ".

... this Mindset is still there, for example how many Karachities know any thing about the REST of the Sindh, or for that matter about the history of Punjab or Sarhad or even Balochistan ,...... next to none.

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They haven't got it , or have they...?


Musharraf and his collaborators , especially the Loyal British Subject , the proud holder of the RED British Passport, duly rewarded for his immense role , regarding the safe guard of 'THEIR' interest in the AREA , have systematically destroyed each and every Institute in this god forsaken unfortunate so called country.

...By the WAY , this Musharraf has already , technically speaking , announced Pakistan's Law does not Holds in Karachi, when after 12 May 2007 , he declared that there would be no enquriy in the 12 May Massacres , whatsoever and called it " their great show of strenght " , in the " mela Mewaishiyan " held in Pindi the same day.

Now when some one like pkpolitics, shows all this, hatemongers want to become " doodh key dhuley "

after all they have been really " doodh key dhuley " after the infamous NRO.

Student Politics in Pakistan: A Profile

No I do not think so, Usman was a regular , though Burly but was a timid guy, this one was outsider, with him there were some JI big wigs, they came in a blue crolla,
I never was into politics , except for joining Liberals, that too , because it had a lot of girls in it.....[ Wink ]
so I do not know , who that was, never saw him again...
...I heard the Word Thunder squad for the first time then, I was a fresher as KU , some guy who was standing beside me , told me he is from the Thunder sqaud....!!

Also Salamullah Tipu , I have heard of him since 76-77 when I was at the College , he used to reside in Nazimabad No 2 near Abdullah Store, behind Nazimabad Hosptial, I only saw him once , at our college elections, He was wearing a black designer Leather Jacket,and was curling his moustaches, did not stayed long .... the next I heard about Salam ullah Tipu , was when he hijacked the plane...

Salam ullah Tipu , initially was in NSF , he later joined PSF at KU.... and was notorious for dealing brutally with the Jamatis... later I learned , he was hanged by the Kabul
Govt in Jail, secretly..... for he was deemed un-trustworthy .

Student Politics in Pakistan: A Profile

yes , the first time a sophisticated weapon was used in an educational institute ,was when Hussain Haqqani won the President ship .. there were allegation of rigging as usual, they arranged for the Oath taking ceremony in the STC Hall, Rafiq Patel and others arranged a protest rally , and were marching toward the STC Hall to register protest and perhaps sabotage the oath taking ceremony.

.... There was this Bearded Guy , I do not remember his name, but he was the Top Thunder Squad man, who opened fire,... first two or three shots were fired in the Air, and then 3-4 directly on the crowd, I think , three or four persons , including a couple of girls were wounded...

and that was the first ever , incidence of the Use of a sophisticated firearm in any educational institute anywhere in pakistan...

Later during the APMSO 's ERA maybe in 92-93 , I was in Lahore I learned they killed four or five oponents or dessenters , right in front of Gymnasim Wall, execution style.....!!...and in the middle of the day...!!