Color-Blind Love
Posted by
ana
Apr 6, 2008 04:32 am
tahmed: what did you have for breakfast today?! :)
Color-Blind Love
Masadi is more a disciple of Mills than he is of Marx, but disciples can distort what their teachers put forth. I think he makes great points at times, but a lot of times very questionable. Like suggesting that the reason Pakistanis (and perhaps even Indians) look down on black folk is because they are aping the white man. The practice had been there before white folk came to our lands. Or like talking about how Malcolm X and Dr. King were sell-outs to the white man. . . etcetera etcetera etcetera.
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aslam644: as neembu points out, race is more a construct. even if many greeks did think they were white, many whites would disagree. all these classifications of races, as was in the census before, and has changed, were in part created in order to justify one "race's" domination over the other.
It is far better in my opinion to see folk as being from different ethnicities since "race" is such a tainted word, but unfortunately I do not see that changing in my lifetime. And even there, there are problems as one ethnic group considers themselves superior to another. We humans are a very messed up bunch.
Posted by
ana
Apr 6, 2008 04:10 am
#208Masadi is more a disciple of Mills than he is of Marx, but disciples can distort what their teachers put forth. I think he makes great points at times, but a lot of times very questionable. Like suggesting that the reason Pakistanis (and perhaps even Indians) look down on black folk is because they are aping the white man. The practice had been there before white folk came to our lands. Or like talking about how Malcolm X and Dr. King were sell-outs to the white man. . . etcetera etcetera etcetera.
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aslam644: as neembu points out, race is more a construct. even if many greeks did think they were white, many whites would disagree. all these classifications of races, as was in the census before, and has changed, were in part created in order to justify one "race's" domination over the other.
It is far better in my opinion to see folk as being from different ethnicities since "race" is such a tainted word, but unfortunately I do not see that changing in my lifetime. And even there, there are problems as one ethnic group considers themselves superior to another. We humans are a very messed up bunch.
Color-Blind Love
HP (172): I agree about it being a sign of respect.
Posted by
ana
Apr 5, 2008 08:54 pm
Hi Kulharee (165): I love Greek Orthodox priests too! :) Although the ones I know would still not officiate a wedding between a Christian and someone of another faith.HP (172): I agree about it being a sign of respect.
Color-Blind Love
As Tahmed has told you, we do not have to cover our heads in Pakistan, and it has never been an "enforced" requirement as it's been in Iran since the Revolution. During the Zia era, some of us did in order to protect ourselves from being hassled by some men, but as far as I can remember it has never been a requirement for all women. The fact that some women do, and not just Muslim women, is by choice, or family tradition.
P.S. I noticed that you just responded to Tahmed, so apologize if this sounds repetitive. It would depend on how conservative Kul's biradari is.
Posted by
ana
Apr 5, 2008 07:54 pm
nb:As Tahmed has told you, we do not have to cover our heads in Pakistan, and it has never been an "enforced" requirement as it's been in Iran since the Revolution. During the Zia era, some of us did in order to protect ourselves from being hassled by some men, but as far as I can remember it has never been a requirement for all women. The fact that some women do, and not just Muslim women, is by choice, or family tradition.
P.S. I noticed that you just responded to Tahmed, so apologize if this sounds repetitive. It would depend on how conservative Kul's biradari is.
Color-Blind Love
And Kulharee is right about one thing, racist or bigoted people do come in all colors. On this board, they are "brown."
I don't know where HP got the idea that Kulharee thought he was marrying a white woman, I don't get that in the article or the interacts. Kulharee, did you think you were marrying a white woman? If so, you were and are one big buddhu! And I have to say this, I am intrigued by the fact that your wife dissuaded you from converting to Orthodox Christianity. Either the church is not as much a part of their lives as most Greek-Americans I know, or they are more accepting than some Greek-Americans I know.
I don't know if your membership of Jamaat-Ahmaddiya was revoked, but if I remember correctly (I've been away from church for a while) your wife cannot receive sacraments such as communion. I was thinking about this earlier, but just because you are prohibited from fully worshipping in those institutions does not stop you from being who you are. . .or exposing your children to both of your faiths. :)
Posted by
ana
Apr 5, 2008 02:43 pm
What exactly is white? There are some of us who think we are white. If you really believe in all these distinctions then Greeks are not white. Turks are not white. Italians are not white. . . .And Kulharee is right about one thing, racist or bigoted people do come in all colors. On this board, they are "brown."
I don't know where HP got the idea that Kulharee thought he was marrying a white woman, I don't get that in the article or the interacts. Kulharee, did you think you were marrying a white woman? If so, you were and are one big buddhu! And I have to say this, I am intrigued by the fact that your wife dissuaded you from converting to Orthodox Christianity. Either the church is not as much a part of their lives as most Greek-Americans I know, or they are more accepting than some Greek-Americans I know.
I don't know if your membership of Jamaat-Ahmaddiya was revoked, but if I remember correctly (I've been away from church for a while) your wife cannot receive sacraments such as communion. I was thinking about this earlier, but just because you are prohibited from fully worshipping in those institutions does not stop you from being who you are. . .or exposing your children to both of your faiths. :)
Color-Blind Love
while those of abrahamic faiths are ahl-e-kitaab, it is a whole different matter what certain people decide when it comes to marriage, among other things.
Posted by
ana
Apr 5, 2008 08:30 am
dost-mittar #89:while those of abrahamic faiths are ahl-e-kitaab, it is a whole different matter what certain people decide when it comes to marriage, among other things.
Color-Blind Love
and masadi: give some of us a damned break about how the white man is conditioned to look down upon the black man, while all is well in the homeland. there are more than a few pakistanis who look down upon the black man, and until those pakistanis get off their high horse, thinking they are superior to the black man, and stop writing songs like "dekho goray ka zamana kabhi hoga na purana" the saying "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" is apt here.
Posted by
ana
Apr 5, 2008 07:49 am
wow, why am i not surprised by any of the responses here. and masadi: give some of us a damned break about how the white man is conditioned to look down upon the black man, while all is well in the homeland. there are more than a few pakistanis who look down upon the black man, and until those pakistanis get off their high horse, thinking they are superior to the black man, and stop writing songs like "dekho goray ka zamana kabhi hoga na purana" the saying "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" is apt here.
Color-Blind Love
It is really great that you can meet the challenges that an inter-faith relationship presents. I was not able to do that in my own relationship with a desi man, and we are both Christian except that he's Catholic and I am not. Go figure! It is harder when families put pressure on a couple, and it does not seem like that is the case with you.
Posted by
ana
Apr 4, 2008 03:05 pm
#44: oh wait, you did write about faith-blind love, the title threw me off!!!It is really great that you can meet the challenges that an inter-faith relationship presents. I was not able to do that in my own relationship with a desi man, and we are both Christian except that he's Catholic and I am not. Go figure! It is harder when families put pressure on a couple, and it does not seem like that is the case with you.
Color-Blind Love
A very good article. Now you need to write one about faith-blind love, or someone does. :)
Posted by
ana
Apr 4, 2008 11:50 am
Kulharee,A very good article. Now you need to write one about faith-blind love, or someone does. :)
War of Another Kind
Posted by
ana
Mar 30, 2008 06:44 am
tahmed uncle: i think you just like arguing with hamid. from what i've read here, h. is more cynical than superficial. everyone takes what he says so seriously that when it actually comes time for him to say something serious, i'd like to see what happens.
War of Another Kind
there is a cure for your addiction. you just don't have the will for it. :)
and leave masadi alone. aap ka kya bigarta hai? can't you just ignore him? i can ignore zeemax, so no need to wish me luck on that!
Posted by
ana
Mar 30, 2008 06:23 am
hamid:there is a cure for your addiction. you just don't have the will for it. :)
and leave masadi alone. aap ka kya bigarta hai? can't you just ignore him? i can ignore zeemax, so no need to wish me luck on that!
Why not hang Surabjit Singh?
You are the weakest link. Goodbye!
Posted by
ana
Mar 26, 2008 06:14 pm
yeah, that's just what we need. alarm bells. Pakistan does not need to be dismantled, karvay laddu. You on the other hand, need help.You are the weakest link. Goodbye!
Why not hang Surabjit Singh?
Just out of curiosity, did you write anything like this for our own people languishing in jails, sentenced for crimes they did not commit. Why did it have to take the death sentence of Surabjit Singh, whose execution has been stayed, and not that of poor illiterate Zahid Masih who was executed, for you to write this?
I could not have done anything for Zahid Masih, and I would wish no harm to come to the Singhs, but if your voice is an important one, why hang Zahid Masih? Singh going free obviously is not going to change the practices for our own people, even if helps diplomatically.
Apologize for the cynicism, if any. . . just curious.
Posted by
ana
Mar 26, 2008 03:09 pm
Ms. Sarwar,Just out of curiosity, did you write anything like this for our own people languishing in jails, sentenced for crimes they did not commit. Why did it have to take the death sentence of Surabjit Singh, whose execution has been stayed, and not that of poor illiterate Zahid Masih who was executed, for you to write this?
I could not have done anything for Zahid Masih, and I would wish no harm to come to the Singhs, but if your voice is an important one, why hang Zahid Masih? Singh going free obviously is not going to change the practices for our own people, even if helps diplomatically.
Apologize for the cynicism, if any. . . just curious.
New US Strategy Needed in Afghanistan and Pakistan
I do not know if the previous "managers/editors" of this site are still the editors, but if they are, I know that they encourage all viewpoints -- have you tried sending them a polite inquiry on why your articles are being rejected. It does not hurt to try.
bottom line: this is not about you.
Posted by
ana
Mar 21, 2008 08:37 am
the ilog system, or whatever bugs are in it, have been there before the Emergency, masadi, and have nothing to do with censoring your writings. There have been a lot of problems since the switch to beta. Feroz's ilogs have not appeared here and I do not see him crying about a conspiracy. Even columnists like Nadeem Paracha have had a long wait before some of their articles get published. I do not know if the previous "managers/editors" of this site are still the editors, but if they are, I know that they encourage all viewpoints -- have you tried sending them a polite inquiry on why your articles are being rejected. It does not hurt to try.
bottom line: this is not about you.
New US Strategy Needed in Afghanistan and Pakistan
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.fiction
.exaggeration
.bias
.all of the above.
i thought i'd be merciful and leave out the lying.
(zubaan gaal maiN!)
Posted by
ana
Mar 18, 2008 08:29 am
eeeesh. . . lying is sirf an indian behavior on this site? now would that be seen as .fact
.fiction
.exaggeration
.bias
.all of the above.
i thought i'd be merciful and leave out the lying.
(zubaan gaal maiN!)
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