Love Ya, Dubya Days of Islam are numbered. Long live democracy.

Ready for a Modern Pakistan? Re: # 6

Reminds me of that camel story. Religion is like that camel who manages kick out of tent its owner by the time he falls asleep. In the morning owner is woken by shivering cold and find that camel is inside cozy tent and he is outside. If all the good things Islam is supposed to give can be got without invoking Islam why invoke it at all? For that matter any religion?

The Hard Business of Life Re: # 6

Nirupama Dutt wrote: `Kurukku` ... voiced the joys and sorrows of her people, oppressed by higher castes in India.

Should not it be Tamil Nadu instead of India? Of all the people of India, Tamilians are most irrational in holding on to casteism.

An Alternative Spelling of Eed #47

{Even today there are countless families who remember their elders generation after generation, so anyone is going to discount the above evidance that Quraish considered Abrahim as their Great Grand father? }

At least this cannot be taken as evidence. What families remember of their elder generations may have been erroneous. Usually in this case other relatives who know the truth will keep their mouth shut because of respect or because of an attitude that these matters are really not too important. By the time Aisha used the expression, the expression might have already become something like a cuss word which a lady is allowed to speak. It may have become a figure of speech by then.

An Alternative Spelling of Eed Zeena #86. Can you please explain what you mean by ``delusional denial with reaction formation in a recessed fashion``?

Thank you in advance.

An Alternative Spelling of Eed #40 by Zeena on January 10, 2006 7:30pm PT

{I am not attacking any faith. I am just trying to make them feel to repect each and every faith. }

You cannot ``make them feel`` anything. Feelings come from within a person. You cannot impose from above.

Pervez Musharraf Ko Peace Do I need not write a long interact to prove that I actually read this article. I can just write one word: demented. The author needs psychiatry.

Anyway here are more comments:

{Why can we not trust Pervez Musharraf? }

Because an journalist working for an american newspaper was killed by a pakistani terrorist group it is difficult for *any* jornalist to investigate terrorist groups in pakistan. Basis of trust is information. Journalists make this information.

{two countries would jointly ensure that there was no terrorism in the Valley. }

All that is asked of POP that the he keeps promise he gave to POTUSA: that he will dismantle terrorist outfits in Pakistan. Where is the need of ``jointly`` ensuring anything. Pahale To Apane Country Me Jo Karnaa Hai Wo To Karake Dikhaao. Baad Me ``jointly`` Kuchh Bhee ensuring Kee Baat Karenge.

{It raises the question as to how Pakistan can ensure peace if it is not involved in terrorism. }

It is involved. Now you are lying. Pakistan is still involved. In your demented mind a statement of POP is truth. But a statement of PMOI or any official of GOI is a lie???

Many demented minds hallucinate because actions their minds fantasize are seen by their minds as *actually* having been completed. Your demented mind sees actions of a foreign president as having been actually been completed. You must be uniquely sick. What is next? FV telepathically advising POP?

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{“But,” Musharraf may well ask, “How can I arrest people in your country?” }

He has to only ensure dismantling of terrorist orgs.

{That is the point when President Musharraf should have put an end to the conversation. }

Please establish a telepathic link with POP and Musharraf will be taking your advice. Better still get a radio frequency microcomputer chip implanted in your head which will telepathically advise him to shut up at appropriate time. I agree with you. POP is talking too much and doing too little.

{Why would he encourage terrorism? }

Have you not heard of the theory of bleeding by thousand cuts?

{We want him to. We have to justify our defence expenditure. Successive governments are known to make a killing in arms deals while pretending to protect the country. If the country is so protected that the amount spent on one goddamn glacier is more than that spent on health-care, then why are the alleged 140 terrorist outfits operating inside the country? How did they get here? What kind of an army do we have? }

Sorry I dont see causal relationship here. May be your demented mind has some einstein theory?

{Do terrorists seek the permission of the government before they start operations? }

No they dont. But they can be stopped within 48 hours if source country really wants to stop them. If their planning and training outfit can be stopped, their funding can be stopped, then they cannot work.

{If we have evidence, why do we not declare war on Pakistan? Fewer people get killed in the wars than those that have died during the years of insurgency. }

Declaring war is a military decision. Thank God (or whatever an atheist is supposed to thank), India`s military decision makers are not in your direct telepathic communication.

OTOH Pakistan Kaa Number Lugg Hee Jaane Waalaa Hai. Sooner or later Pakistan will be colonized by USA. We will leave dirty work of waging war against Pakistan to west. Pakistan is in their list.

{He says: demilitarisation is essential for an end to terrorism. }

Sorry I dont see causal relationship here.

{We say: there can be no movement forward until terrorism is stopped. }

Who says so?

{- If he does do so, then how do we deal with local militants? Will the killings stop? Will the strength of the armed forces then be reduced? What excuse will we give to the people of Jammu and Kashmir? }

Local militant`s capacity of doing anything will be reduced 90 percent if terror orgs in Pakistan are dismantled. People of J&K know by now why military is there.

{Incidentally, Musharraf has gone on record to say that he has banned many such organisations and those that have come up under different guises are in the ‘watch list’. He also stated that although he cannot give a certificate, he would ensure that if any such incident occurred he would himself bring the organisation/person to book. }

A liar going on record!

{He has made these comments on a public forum before the cameras. }

So?

{If anything, he is in trouble. It is not as though suddenly the terrorists will organise and unionise themselves and imagine that the Indian government will be sleeping. }

He sure is in trouble. And GOI is not sleeping.

{- Do we have a mechanism in place to prevent state-sponsored terrorism? Why are the people responsible for it still in positions of power? }

Of ``cross-border terrorism`` and ``state-sponsored terrorism``. Of Apples and Oranges.

Of ``state-sponsored terrorism`` I am afraid you will have to work within Indian constitution. Just in case you did not know India is a democracy.

{According to one report, “Former national security adviser Brajesh Mishra…went to the extent of saying that the talks were in ‘jeopardy’ unless terrorism was controlled, and an assurance extracted from Islamabad. This is indicative of the pressure on the UPA government from within.” }

Talks will be in jeopordy. So? Who cares? May be POP should care. He is in power for short period. Soon he will run out of excuses to hold on to his Kursi. Let him do some good work for Pakistan while still in power.

{Try and see it in a balanced perspective. With the exception of Kashmir, there has never been official sympathy expressed for any insurgent group in India by Pakistan. }

And that is why an Islamist was arrested in Hyderabad in connection with the recent Bangalore shootout.

{The uprising in Baluchistan goes back to the 70s; we felt no concern at the time. Suddenly, we wake up and start questioning the authority of the Pakistani military to use guns and helicopters against the innocents. }

In 70`s was there use of helicopter gunships?

{wasn’t there a move to make Mumbai a separate state?}

When was this? Initially India did fumble in drawing state boundries. Redrawing of state boundries simply means that India is capable in holding dialogue between disparate groups. Not all disparate groups are succesful but political process is there. Law is there. And experience in redrawing boundries is there. I think so a lot of redrawing is still to be done. More bite sized states means a bad CM has less area where he can do mischief. India also needs to work out how to deal with infiltration. How about laws for frontline districts which allows centre to deploy military in these districts?

{What did we achieve by dragging the Baluchi issue to the fore? The Pakistani Interior Minister Aftab Ahmed Sherpao said, ``India is supporting the miscreants in Balochistan.`` }

Miscreants or not. India should not support any disparate group in Pakistan. Here I agree that India achieved nothing. It is in the interest of India to have a united Pakistan. Let Pakistan by all means self-destruct. But let not blame for its destruction fall on India. Unless there is huge refugee influx India should not care.

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Abbreviations used:

POP = President of Pakistan
PMOI = Prime Minister of India
GOI = Government of India
OTOH = On the other hand
CM = Chief Minister

Pervez Musharraf Ko Peace Do #3 by Mantolives on January 8, 2006 9:20pm PT
{...call for and forcefully call for the revival of Pakistan`s constitution and its status as a democracy... }

How can any power other than Pakistani people ``call for the revival of Pakistan`s constitution and its status as a democracy``? I fail to see India and Indian people`s role in this.

Shivaji -- Portrait of the King as Barbarian #194 by ranjit on January 8, 2006 2:45pm PT

{...India should pursue the peace process with Pakistan. Even if we have a lukewarm peace with Pakistan, we will get the necessary breathing space (without sabre rattling/jihadi attacks etc) for strong synergies to develop between hindus and muslims in India. }

We should do nothing of the sort. The synergy that you talk about between North Indians and South Indians is too brittle. Today it is there; tomorrow it would not be there. Balkanization of India still remains a possibility and what we should do is to keep Pakistan as an adversarial state forever just to reap more and more benefit out of unity. In many ways Bangladesh becoming ungrateful anti-India country is blessing in disguise because it also feeds synergy which unites east-west synergy and at the same time strengthening north-south synergy.

If Muslims of India want to join in great Indian Juggernaut they are welcome. They were always welcome. As for support from across border for jihad, it is really Pakistan`s problem. The hindu-muslim devide is far too wide. So, regardless of whether there will ever be any perception on the part Indian Muslims that they are part of India, Pakistan should curb support for jihad. They know it. They know that it in their interest to do that. We on the other hand should immerse ourselves in carrying forward the task of making a united India on the basis of Constitution of India.

Shivaji -- Portrait of the King as Barbarian When you migrate to a part of India where your mother tongue or dialect is not spoken your caste becomes immaterial. You will be treated as foreigner and unless you are loud mouth Brahmin of your place of origin most likely you are a trader or artisan practicing your inherited trade. You are Luhar, Suthar, Mochi etc. But this is also not universally true. If you are an uprooted Mochi you most likely are looking for work in your new home which could be anything.

This idea that caste system was strictly enforced is a myth. It was enforced strictly only if you did not know how to migrate. Different regions of India have no real insurmountable barriers as far as travel and migration is concerned. And in new city you survive by adaptation. Adaptation usually means new trade.

Remembering Munish I think so in every large country there will be disgruntled elements. Exploitation of these elements by foreign power will always be considered an act of war. More terrorist acts are traced to these countries, more will be the legitimation of pre-emptive strike. As I have written many times. Crusades have really never stopped. Interludes in crusades were when the west was regrouping or fighting with itself. The attitude that everything is fair in war and it is okay to tap into unpatriotic citizenry for this is very cynical attitude. It can be used by any country to subvert any country.

Nowhere: The Utopian Destination {Even a perfect psychological state can be counterproductive because it has to work within a certain social milieu. A community realising itself goes against the very idea of the ego, which is a Freudian Utopia. }

Freud never talked about such utopia. Such quasi-religious theorizing was anathema to him. You are writing ``ego`` with small ``e``. Freud nevere talked about it. The ``Ego`` with big ``E`` he talked about dealt with tendency of every individual to get trained and come into contact with reality and learn to handle it. Ego becomes part of reality handling tendency, and Super-Ego becomes received knowledge mostly about culture.

Nowhere: The Utopian Destination {If India were a utopian secular state then why were not the Indian Muslims able to develop their cities like Lucknow, Meerith, Ajmer Sharif, etc. With the city`s administration back in hands where it belongs, it is just a matter of time before the city will show exemplery progress once again. }

Read about Lucknow in this: http://www.censusindia.net/results/slum1_m_plus.html

``In case of Lucknow M.C. no slum population has been reported by the Mahanagar Adhikari (MNA) - the highest executive authority of the corporation. This claim is being scrutinized by the Census authorities. ``

May Allah save cities of India from city administrations such as Lucknow`s. Apparently there are no slums in Lucknow! Looks like the Mahanagar Adhikari (MNA) - the highest executive authority of Lucknow corporation is already living with Alice!!

Nowhere: The Utopian Destination {And am I glad! }

You should provide a link which I can click to make you go in the company of fictional Alice. I would be more happy clicking to make you disappear there. Chowk would be much better place. But now I am dreaming of an Utopia.

Happy 2006 to all living.

The Political-Economy of the South Asian Economic Union {The onus for doing so clearly lies with India.}

Really? Daniel Pearl`s headless body is turning in its grave. Get this: hate of anything jew and kafir begets hate. If Pakistan wishes even to be counted amongst civilized nations first it must dismantle its jew/kafir hating terrorist training outfits. Otherwise crusades will never stop. Forget about union.

The Political-Economy of the South Asian Economic Union {the most hated nation in Nepal today is India. }

Who says so?