This Is For The Men Who\'ll Roll Their Eyes
On worth of services provided women at home: there is strength in the argument that worth is very low simply because they would not be willing to sell these services in open market. The sex is obvious example of this. But even cooking food and selling it (that is, catering business), ironing clothes, laundry, nursing kids when sick, etc etc. Not every woman wants to do these professionally even when there is no obvious sexploitation connotation of these.
Just as it is wrong to assign value to sexual intercourse provided by wife equal to the average amount charged by a prostitute simply because they will not sell that service in open market, so also it is wrong to value other services (laundry etc) by prevailing market rate. Once they start charging prevailing market rates and start peddling household service there will be chaos.
To make children I will ask surrogtcy service from wife of guy living on second floor, for managing an erection for purpose of sex for pleasure I will ask wife of guy living on third floor because she wears most dainty of noserings which happen to be my fetish, for laundry I will go to a neighbourhood shudra's jhopdi and ask the wife to wash my underwear, patloons, shirts etc.
Behind wanting a male child and not peddling household service is logic. That logic is not immediate commercial gain which is the priciple that regulates the market. The logic is of survivabilty of generations. Wife is thinking not only money she will get but whether her sons and daughters will survive and whether they will have children who will survive. etc
In fact when a girl rejects a groom she is thinking about a better as yet not seen groom who would have better genes, better society etc so that her linage never dries up. Same thinking goes on in the mind of men also when they select wives.
The disconnect is there between this logic and actual life. Call it Darwin's evolutionary logic. It was under sway of this logic Neanderthals disapeared. Or at any rate they were forced to interbreed with Homo Sapiens. From the look of it western world has reaped immediate gains from women's emancipation. But a couple of centuries is not enough to tell us if their generations will survive forever. Who knows if they were wrong and eastern people were right?
Posted by
einsteinwallah
Aug 26, 2007 07:07 am
This article has phrase "I’m waiting for the day when" occuring 31 times. It is a long series of wishes which can be all fulfilled in dreams (and then Doctor Freud can be called in to interprete them).On worth of services provided women at home: there is strength in the argument that worth is very low simply because they would not be willing to sell these services in open market. The sex is obvious example of this. But even cooking food and selling it (that is, catering business), ironing clothes, laundry, nursing kids when sick, etc etc. Not every woman wants to do these professionally even when there is no obvious sexploitation connotation of these.
Just as it is wrong to assign value to sexual intercourse provided by wife equal to the average amount charged by a prostitute simply because they will not sell that service in open market, so also it is wrong to value other services (laundry etc) by prevailing market rate. Once they start charging prevailing market rates and start peddling household service there will be chaos.
To make children I will ask surrogtcy service from wife of guy living on second floor, for managing an erection for purpose of sex for pleasure I will ask wife of guy living on third floor because she wears most dainty of noserings which happen to be my fetish, for laundry I will go to a neighbourhood shudra's jhopdi and ask the wife to wash my underwear, patloons, shirts etc.
Behind wanting a male child and not peddling household service is logic. That logic is not immediate commercial gain which is the priciple that regulates the market. The logic is of survivabilty of generations. Wife is thinking not only money she will get but whether her sons and daughters will survive and whether they will have children who will survive. etc
In fact when a girl rejects a groom she is thinking about a better as yet not seen groom who would have better genes, better society etc so that her linage never dries up. Same thinking goes on in the mind of men also when they select wives.
The disconnect is there between this logic and actual life. Call it Darwin's evolutionary logic. It was under sway of this logic Neanderthals disapeared. Or at any rate they were forced to interbreed with Homo Sapiens. From the look of it western world has reaped immediate gains from women's emancipation. But a couple of centuries is not enough to tell us if their generations will survive forever. Who knows if they were wrong and eastern people were right?
Boots, Beards, Burqas and Bombs
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It is interesting to note that when the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan adopted the Objectives Resolution in 1949, it used the less threatening term “Quran and Sunna� instead of “Sharia� that later came to be embedded in Article 203(C) of the Constitution relating to the Federal Shariat Court. ***
"Less threatening"? vah bhei vah kya logic hei? arre bhei jab billi a gayi to billi ki punchh bhi a jayegi. Khaledbhai you are one deluded pakistani. kya quran, kya sunna our kya shariya, our kya ye hair splitting micro-classification and micro-differentiation? sab ikatthe hein. sab sath me aye, sab sath me jayenge.
Posted by
einsteinwallah
Aug 25, 2007 07:20 am
In the text attributed to Khaled Ahmed in #12:***
It is interesting to note that when the Constituent Assembly of Pakistan adopted the Objectives Resolution in 1949, it used the less threatening term “Quran and Sunna� instead of “Sharia� that later came to be embedded in Article 203(C) of the Constitution relating to the Federal Shariat Court. ***
"Less threatening"? vah bhei vah kya logic hei? arre bhei jab billi a gayi to billi ki punchh bhi a jayegi. Khaledbhai you are one deluded pakistani. kya quran, kya sunna our kya shariya, our kya ye hair splitting micro-classification and micro-differentiation? sab ikatthe hein. sab sath me aye, sab sath me jayenge.
Boots, Beards, Burqas and Bombs
[The Lal Masjid saga exploded in July but it actually dates back to the late 1970s, when America enlisted Pakistan, led by the all-too-willing General Zia ul-Haq, as a frontline state against the Russian communists who had invaded Afghanistan. Soon the Pakistani madrassas were flush with American and Saudi money. The influx coincided with the rise of Khomeini’s Shi’ite Iran, perceived as a threat by the Saudis who until then were the undisputed ‘leaders’ of the Muslim world. More madrassas, mostly financed by the Saudis but some also by the Iranians, began appearing in Pakistan, along with training camps for the Mujahideen. Afghanistan’s fight for national independence was transformed into a jihad. Ironically, Gen Zia’s son, Ijaz ul-Haq, Pakistan’s Minister for Religious Affairs, was among the negotiators trying to work out a solution to the situation, until talks failed reportedly due to pressure from Washington, DC).]
iss ka matbal ye hei ki sab log jimmevar hei. America jimmevar hei, Russian communists jimmevar hei, "American and Saudi money" jimmevar hei, Iran jimmevar hei, Saudis jimmevar hei, lekin Paksitani bilkul jimmevar nahin. arre bhei, ye sab jo Pakistan ke andar hota hei uske liye dusron ko kyun koste ho? apka religion hi khota hei, apka all consuming hatred fasad ki jad hei. iss bat ko svikar kyun nahin kar lete? sou bat ki ek bat.
Posted by
einsteinwallah
Aug 25, 2007 06:43 am
In Pakistan's present day problems India does not even deserve a mention? Why not Pakistanis admit that it was their all consuming hatred of India which is the root cause of its present day troubles? Arrogance that their religion is "perfect" is feeding this hatred as well as their hatred of other countries. Their hatred of jews comes pre-wired into the circuitry of their religion's mind. They must hate jews in the minimum. All other hatred can be dissolved but not that hatred. sou bat ki ek bat.[The Lal Masjid saga exploded in July but it actually dates back to the late 1970s, when America enlisted Pakistan, led by the all-too-willing General Zia ul-Haq, as a frontline state against the Russian communists who had invaded Afghanistan. Soon the Pakistani madrassas were flush with American and Saudi money. The influx coincided with the rise of Khomeini’s Shi’ite Iran, perceived as a threat by the Saudis who until then were the undisputed ‘leaders’ of the Muslim world. More madrassas, mostly financed by the Saudis but some also by the Iranians, began appearing in Pakistan, along with training camps for the Mujahideen. Afghanistan’s fight for national independence was transformed into a jihad. Ironically, Gen Zia’s son, Ijaz ul-Haq, Pakistan’s Minister for Religious Affairs, was among the negotiators trying to work out a solution to the situation, until talks failed reportedly due to pressure from Washington, DC).]
iss ka matbal ye hei ki sab log jimmevar hei. America jimmevar hei, Russian communists jimmevar hei, "American and Saudi money" jimmevar hei, Iran jimmevar hei, Saudis jimmevar hei, lekin Paksitani bilkul jimmevar nahin. arre bhei, ye sab jo Pakistan ke andar hota hei uske liye dusron ko kyun koste ho? apka religion hi khota hei, apka all consuming hatred fasad ki jad hei. iss bat ko svikar kyun nahin kar lete? sou bat ki ek bat.
This Is For The Men Who\'ll Roll Their Eyes
I’m waiting for the day when an ad in the newspaper says it has been inserted not by close relative of girl but by girl herslf. I’m waiting for the day when an ad in the newspaper purpoted to be inserted by girl herslf turns out to be so and when I respond to the ad by email, the girl is not chhui-mui sharmili so she herself responds with a multi sentence reply. I’m waiting for the day when a girl is free to consider herself as a female member of Homo Sapiens species of animals and is willing to do rishta with a male member of Homo Sapiens.
Posted by
einsteinwallah
Aug 24, 2007 08:13 pm
[I’m waiting for the day when an ad in the newspaper says “looking for an educated, intelligent and charming girl for our son� and not “for a tall, fair US-citizen�]I’m waiting for the day when an ad in the newspaper says it has been inserted not by close relative of girl but by girl herslf. I’m waiting for the day when an ad in the newspaper purpoted to be inserted by girl herslf turns out to be so and when I respond to the ad by email, the girl is not chhui-mui sharmili so she herself responds with a multi sentence reply. I’m waiting for the day when a girl is free to consider herself as a female member of Homo Sapiens species of animals and is willing to do rishta with a male member of Homo Sapiens.
Independence Thinker
After Jallianwallah Bagh Massacre days of British in India were numbered. But after Gandhi if anyone could be credited with winning India freedom it was Bhagat Singh.
Serious historiography is difficult. It is difficult to fully account for "worth" of any one person or group when we try to assess contribution made by them to independence. But after Das's death and transportation of his body by rail many Indian youths were roused to take part in independence struggle.
Subhash Bose may have never tried to tap animocity of Japan and Germany if those external factors did not exist. But Bhagat Singh would have become revolutionary regardless of whether there was communist revolution or whether there was a Gandhi and whether Gandhi was pacifist or not.
Posted by
einsteinwallah
Aug 22, 2007 09:58 am
Gandhi was an influence on Bhagat Singh but Bhagat Singh became unhappy after he called off a campaign after Chauri Chora violence. Bhagat Singh and his compatriots became centre of attention of Indian youth of their time when Jatin Das died as a result of complications arising out of forced feeding to hunger strikers.After Jallianwallah Bagh Massacre days of British in India were numbered. But after Gandhi if anyone could be credited with winning India freedom it was Bhagat Singh.
Serious historiography is difficult. It is difficult to fully account for "worth" of any one person or group when we try to assess contribution made by them to independence. But after Das's death and transportation of his body by rail many Indian youths were roused to take part in independence struggle.
Subhash Bose may have never tried to tap animocity of Japan and Germany if those external factors did not exist. But Bhagat Singh would have become revolutionary regardless of whether there was communist revolution or whether there was a Gandhi and whether Gandhi was pacifist or not.
The \'poor\' Neighbour
20+25+70=115
kam se kam figures ko sahi tarike se quote karne ka tarika to sikhlo williamabheiya. May be 25 percent of 80 percent which existed. And may be 70 percent which were closed were not counted again in 25 percent without teachers. Just curious, what would the schools without teachers were doing daily? There could not any teaching surely. So may be bachche logs were entertained by a neighbourhood kalandar who showed drama of bandar bandaria ki shadi. Bachche log tali bajao.
Posted by
einsteinwallah
Aug 18, 2007 08:34 am
[...confirmed by a survey conducted two years ago by the former Pakistan cricket captain turned politician, Imran Khan, in his own constituency of Mianwali. His research showed that 20% of government schools supposed to be functioning in his constituency did not exist at all, a quarter had no teachers and 70% were closed.]20+25+70=115
kam se kam figures ko sahi tarike se quote karne ka tarika to sikhlo williamabheiya. May be 25 percent of 80 percent which existed. And may be 70 percent which were closed were not counted again in 25 percent without teachers. Just curious, what would the schools without teachers were doing daily? There could not any teaching surely. So may be bachche logs were entertained by a neighbourhood kalandar who showed drama of bandar bandaria ki shadi. Bachche log tali bajao.
The \'poor\' Neighbour
[Every year a new monologue is added to highlight a current issue affecting women around the world. The monologue is performed at thousands of local V-Day benefit productions of the play that take place annually in February and March raising funds for local groups, shelters, crisis centers working to end violence against women. In 2003, for example, Ensler wrote a new monologue about the plight of women in Afghanistan under Taliban rule. This Monologue is known as "Under the Burqa."]
May be Ensler should write a Mukhtaran Monologue.
Posted by
einsteinwallah
Aug 18, 2007 07:59 am
From wikipedia entry for Vagina Monologues:[Every year a new monologue is added to highlight a current issue affecting women around the world. The monologue is performed at thousands of local V-Day benefit productions of the play that take place annually in February and March raising funds for local groups, shelters, crisis centers working to end violence against women. In 2003, for example, Ensler wrote a new monologue about the plight of women in Afghanistan under Taliban rule. This Monologue is known as "Under the Burqa."]
May be Ensler should write a Mukhtaran Monologue.
The \'poor\' Neighbour
1. The Vagina Monologues was recently performed on stage to standing ovations.
2. As a result, in many of the more backward parts of Pakistan the local feudal zamindar can expect his people to vote for his chosen candidate. Such loyalty can be enforced. Many of the biggest zamindars have private prisons and most have private armies.
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So is it possible that a bunch of zamindars decided that they wanted to show how "progressive" they are and their loyal "subjects" and "prisoners" from their private prisons were called upon to be vociferous audience of the Monologues? Pakistan me kuchh bhi ho sakta hei. People going through motions of freedom and free thought! Should we expect real democracy in Pakistan within a decade? Surely if people do not feel threatened by the Monologues and all the rest of freedoms then democracy must not be far behind. Abhi Paksitan me democracy ai hi samjho. Wah bhei wah kitni khushi ki bat hei. Pakistani bachcho khade hokar taliyan bajao. Kyunki hamare des me democracy anevali hei.
Posted by
einsteinwallah
Aug 18, 2007 07:41 am
Quotes from two places in article:1. The Vagina Monologues was recently performed on stage to standing ovations.
2. As a result, in many of the more backward parts of Pakistan the local feudal zamindar can expect his people to vote for his chosen candidate. Such loyalty can be enforced. Many of the biggest zamindars have private prisons and most have private armies.
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So is it possible that a bunch of zamindars decided that they wanted to show how "progressive" they are and their loyal "subjects" and "prisoners" from their private prisons were called upon to be vociferous audience of the Monologues? Pakistan me kuchh bhi ho sakta hei. People going through motions of freedom and free thought! Should we expect real democracy in Pakistan within a decade? Surely if people do not feel threatened by the Monologues and all the rest of freedoms then democracy must not be far behind. Abhi Paksitan me democracy ai hi samjho. Wah bhei wah kitni khushi ki bat hei. Pakistani bachcho khade hokar taliyan bajao. Kyunki hamare des me democracy anevali hei.
The \'poor\' Neighbour
The behaviour you describe was seen by my mother in Muslims also. So the problem goes back to long time ealier when Muslims were violent and looted and raped. You cannot wish away human memory. If humans had been reptiles there would not be a problem. But they are not reptiles.
Islam is a jinxed religion. It asks its believer to convert. Hinduism is not like that. In Hinduism there are not one book but many books. When Brahmo movement began there was no consensus as to which scriptures are "true" source of Hinduism. Currently popular sanskrit words are in 4 lines of Bhagavat Gita:
Karmanye Vaadhikaa rastey
Maa phaleshu kadaachana
Maa karmaphal hetur bhoor
Maa te sangostwakarmani
Most of Hindu who manage to become interested in these lines come to know its meaning as best as a Guru can explain and they can understand. These lines mean: On deeds (karms) is your claim and jurisdiction, on their consequences you have none (those being business of mother nature, god etc), neither the realisation that consequence is going to be good must encourage you to do your deeds, nor that consequence is going to be bad must discourage you from doing your deeds (in other words deeds have absolute worthiness which and only which should be object of inquiry). For figuring worthiness of deed you can use your judgement or ask guidance of a guru.
Are Americans justified in being wary of Muslims after 9/11? If they are why should not the Hindus of past be allowed same tendency? Why should a Hindu trust a Muslim after he has killed or raped? If American were reptiles they would forget about 9/11 on 9/12. Americans are not reptiles.
Posted by
einsteinwallah
Aug 17, 2007 08:06 am
[#34 Posted by Ally on August 17, 2007 7:02:37 am]The behaviour you describe was seen by my mother in Muslims also. So the problem goes back to long time ealier when Muslims were violent and looted and raped. You cannot wish away human memory. If humans had been reptiles there would not be a problem. But they are not reptiles.
Islam is a jinxed religion. It asks its believer to convert. Hinduism is not like that. In Hinduism there are not one book but many books. When Brahmo movement began there was no consensus as to which scriptures are "true" source of Hinduism. Currently popular sanskrit words are in 4 lines of Bhagavat Gita:
Karmanye Vaadhikaa rastey
Maa phaleshu kadaachana
Maa karmaphal hetur bhoor
Maa te sangostwakarmani
Most of Hindu who manage to become interested in these lines come to know its meaning as best as a Guru can explain and they can understand. These lines mean: On deeds (karms) is your claim and jurisdiction, on their consequences you have none (those being business of mother nature, god etc), neither the realisation that consequence is going to be good must encourage you to do your deeds, nor that consequence is going to be bad must discourage you from doing your deeds (in other words deeds have absolute worthiness which and only which should be object of inquiry). For figuring worthiness of deed you can use your judgement or ask guidance of a guru.
Are Americans justified in being wary of Muslims after 9/11? If they are why should not the Hindus of past be allowed same tendency? Why should a Hindu trust a Muslim after he has killed or raped? If American were reptiles they would forget about 9/11 on 9/12. Americans are not reptiles.
Jinnah and the Islamic State – Setting the Record Straight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wPglHZQf-0
Posted by
einsteinwallah
Aug 16, 2007 09:40 am
The clash of civilizations began right from beginning, the very concepts propounded by Islam were against rest of world. So says the ex-muslim lady in this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wPglHZQf-0
Jinnah and the Islamic State – Setting the Record Straight
Discrimination is rampant in west bengal not only against Muslims but also against other non-bengalis as well. Chowk's resident bangalis and bangalans brag about how fair minded and ethnicity blind they are but that is all talk. But special position of Muslims in this is also because of historical memory how these Muslims talked about violence during independence struggle. Bengalis do not forget such bad behaviour easily.
Posted by
einsteinwallah
Aug 16, 2007 08:57 am
[#270 Posted by echoboom on August 16, 2007 7:41:04 am ]Discrimination is rampant in west bengal not only against Muslims but also against other non-bengalis as well. Chowk's resident bangalis and bangalans brag about how fair minded and ethnicity blind they are but that is all talk. But special position of Muslims in this is also because of historical memory how these Muslims talked about violence during independence struggle. Bengalis do not forget such bad behaviour easily.
A Pakistani-American in India
Posted by
einsteinwallah
Aug 14, 2007 10:31 pm
Why would India come to depend on any mechanism for which it can be held at ransom by Pakistan and/or Bangladesh? Oil is coming even now, it will continue to come the way it is now. Economic forces will prevail and oil will continue to be sold to India the way it is now. Pipeline which is not guaranteed to continue functioning, which is always in danger of becoming bargaining chip cancels all benefits India gets from it. India's economic juggernaut is unstoppable. With petroleum coming by pipe or ships. Once oil wells become uneconomical because of world learning to grow efficiently bio-diesel plants Arabia will go back to its Bedouin past. With them will go Pakistan. If Pakistan cannot guarantee to USA security why any country let alone India should trust Pakistan. Pakistan is big loser because of 9/11 and ownership of nukes which are seen by west in perennial danger of falling in "wrong" hands. It is just a matter of time before western intelligence manages to get information or disinformation on jihadic elements in Pakistan wanting to use nukes before Pakistan is made to go the Iraq way. So hallucinate by all means about ever India handing over Kashmir to Pakistan, like your prophet did about direct line with God. Let me write my punchline: Pakistan Ka Matlab Kya Hai? Pakistan Ka Matlab Hai: Lailaj.
Jinnah and the Islamic State – Setting the Record Straight
That says it. If Jinnah understood the meaning of above then it must be an achievemnt for a senile person. The people of Pakistan did decide. And they are still deciding.
Posted by
einsteinwallah
Aug 14, 2007 03:26 pm
"Is it going to be an Islamic government? Is it not begging the question? Is it not like passing a vote of censure on every Leauger? The constitution of Pakistan shall be what the people of Pakistan decide."That says it. If Jinnah understood the meaning of above then it must be an achievemnt for a senile person. The people of Pakistan did decide. And they are still deciding.
That Whore
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the moment she asked for those two rupees you pounced on that weakness and tried to make the most of it.]
Who is poncing? 17 year old girl and 17 year malaria stricken boy. I see whoring alright because girl asks for two rupees and does not run away first time kiss is mentioned. But I cannot see any pouncing.
Posted by
einsteinwallah
Aug 12, 2007 12:20 pm
[#83 Posted by rogues on November 9, 2006 9:43:37 am ***
the moment she asked for those two rupees you pounced on that weakness and tried to make the most of it.]
Who is poncing? 17 year old girl and 17 year malaria stricken boy. I see whoring alright because girl asks for two rupees and does not run away first time kiss is mentioned. But I cannot see any pouncing.
That Whore
Posted by
einsteinwallah
Aug 12, 2007 12:04 pm
kahani bahut achchhi hei. maza a gaya. likhte raho.
Science and the Islamic world --- The quest for rapprochement
During examination season some libraries can be opened 24 hours and at least one reading room in campus should be open at least from dawn to midnight (if not 24 hours) all 7 days a week. Such reading room may have light reading materials also and a very truncated collection of most popular academic books and newspapers. That way serious archival functions (if any) are kept away from browsing crowd.
In India (and I am sure in Pakistan also) there is no public library system to speak of. Many uprooted university graduates are forced to use local university libraries to keep their professional knowledge current. This too is restricted. I have been denied entry into IIT,Kgp and IIT,Bombay sometime.
If you are a university graduate then you should be issued a letter of reference or a Photo-ID to permit willing librarians of local universities to let you use material at their reading rooms. Ideally the uprooted academics who want to keep in touch with their fields should be allowed some borrowing privileges from non-archival collections of university libraries.
Although I have not been able to verify following story about Edwin Land who invented Polaroid camera I am writing it anyways. It is said that he made major portions of his research by gaining clandestine access to the university laboratory.
When a student in university he would become easily distracted by an idea that happened to occur to him and then neglect his regular study to pursue that idea. His wife used to prod him to solve quizzes he was to hand in to his professor and then she would write out the answers and give them to professor.
If "clandestine lab work" story is correct then that is clear indication of heaven in which he lived. Such heaven unfortunately for our scientists can see in their dreams only.
Posted by
einsteinwallah
Aug 10, 2007 12:52 pm
I think so the first task of all universities should be to protect freedom of expression. In Pakistani university campuses there should not be any mosques. It is okay to not to have book stores because there are always libraries which students can use.During examination season some libraries can be opened 24 hours and at least one reading room in campus should be open at least from dawn to midnight (if not 24 hours) all 7 days a week. Such reading room may have light reading materials also and a very truncated collection of most popular academic books and newspapers. That way serious archival functions (if any) are kept away from browsing crowd.
In India (and I am sure in Pakistan also) there is no public library system to speak of. Many uprooted university graduates are forced to use local university libraries to keep their professional knowledge current. This too is restricted. I have been denied entry into IIT,Kgp and IIT,Bombay sometime.
If you are a university graduate then you should be issued a letter of reference or a Photo-ID to permit willing librarians of local universities to let you use material at their reading rooms. Ideally the uprooted academics who want to keep in touch with their fields should be allowed some borrowing privileges from non-archival collections of university libraries.
Although I have not been able to verify following story about Edwin Land who invented Polaroid camera I am writing it anyways. It is said that he made major portions of his research by gaining clandestine access to the university laboratory.
When a student in university he would become easily distracted by an idea that happened to occur to him and then neglect his regular study to pursue that idea. His wife used to prod him to solve quizzes he was to hand in to his professor and then she would write out the answers and give them to professor.
If "clandestine lab work" story is correct then that is clear indication of heaven in which he lived. Such heaven unfortunately for our scientists can see in their dreams only.
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