Musharraf\'s Resignation and Beyond Sattar: i understand where all this smoldering comes from - my refusal, despite your perdiodic efforts over the past couple of years (!!), to re-engage in "discussions" with you. If it is any consolation, you are not the only individual who I dont wish to engage in discussion with. Or you can continue to console yourself by considering me a bewakoof for not engaging in discussion with a genius like you. whatever makes you happy.

Musharraf\'s Resignation and Beyond hamidm: i think you need a psychiatrist.

Musharraf\'s Resignation and Beyond Ahmedzai #41 I think your analysis is quite realistic. Zardari, like Musharraf, is making the mistake of focussing on court politics - while staying away from national politics, which (as in case of musharraf) are beyond his depth.

Zardari (and in karachi, mqm) will no doubt try to mess with the next elections like musharraf did on Feb 18, but like musharraf will find that with the army staying out of politics, this is no longer so easy. And the lawyer's movement will no doubt continue to hound Zardari unless he restores the Supreme Court - in which case he will find the NRO declared null and void. So, it looks like, despite all his court politics, Zardari (like Musharraf) is making a blunder by ignoring the ultimate court in a democracy - the court of public opinion.

Musharraf\'s Resignation and Beyond #39 Thanks. I read the first para. and didnt waste time with the rest for reasons explained earlier.

Have a nice day, Mr. Masadi.

Remembering the Jallianwala Bagh, Gandhi, Churchill and Jinnah Pardesi: well said. It is all too easy to blame others, but fruitless since there is nothing you can do about it anyway. It is much harder, but potentially much more fruitful, to take responsibility for one's own actions.

Musharraf\'s Resignation and Beyond mr. madani #37 nothing has changed? you mean your "rising sun" general is still commandeering the nation? you mean your mqm heroes are still out with guns killing Pakistanis seeking freedom??

Yikes!!

Is this Amnesia or Dementia? Laddu saint: you think if i memorize your posts, is there any chance i will be reincarnated as a peace-loving, java-speaking, zero-inventing hindu?

Musharraf\'s Resignation and Beyond Mr Masadi: and one more thing - I differ with you when you say that "The very brave people of Pakistan have little to do with the removal of the tyrant, if their will was what guided this endeavor, "

This is not just a totally unrealistic viewpoint that flies in the face of common sense, it also insults the thousands of Pakistanis whose sacrifices (in the face of ridicule from the likes of hamidm, and in the face of guns, beatings, and imprisonments from musharraf, and in the face of shenanigans by zardari) have foiled musharraf's ambitions of becoming a "hosni mubarak". Please have some gratitude to these patriotic Pakistanis, and dont belittle their historic achievement.

Musharraf\'s Resignation and Beyond Mr.TNI Masadi: Thanks for inquiring about my welfare. I hope you have had a restful nights sleep and a productive day as well.

While I have no problem with your saying that "you are ignoring the fact" if you feel that is the case, you are accusing me of being dishonest when you say "you are deliberately ignoring the fact". Please make up your mind whether I am dishonest or honest. If the former is the case, then we are both wasting time.

Given that aside from the above, I have no complaints with your post, let me just comment on the substance of what you say. There seems no question that you are right in saying that the US brokered the deal. And there is no question that the US government brokered the deal based on what it perceived to be US interests. There is, I am sure you will agree, nothing wrong with a national government watching out for the national interest.

But what exactly is this US interest in your view? Thanks in advance for your considered response.

Musharraf\'s Resignation and Beyond #18 Ahmedzai: I beg to differ on mqm - by killing peaceful democracy demonstrators on May 12 on behalf of a dictator, and by continuing to harbor in its ranks those who ordered the attacks and those who carried them out, mqm falls in the definition of a criminal organization.

Musharraf\'s Resignation and Beyond Ahmedai bhai #17 i have been well. and hope all has been well with you.

I think we are basically in agreement. I think the thousands of brave Pakistanis who sacrificed their lives or their careers rather than join musharraf's lawless bandwagon have demonstrated once again the truth of the proverb "God helps those who help themselves". And other nations have no choice (for better or worse from their pov) than deal with the de facto government. Thus, while Hosni Mubarak continues his illegitimate rule of egypt, the fact is that egyptians have not had the widespread public uprising that Pakistanis have gone through. same is true for other middle east nations and Cuba (where a dictator ruled for 60 years by claiming to be a "comrade", and then passed power to..his brother!).

While chowk is full of moaning about the end of musharraf's rule, the fact is that with the booting out of the scoundrel, Pakistanis have won a historic victory and shown that they dont tolerate dictators like other nations do. While no doubt there are serious problems facing Pakistan (made more difficult by the shameless "deal" that BB made with musharraf which resulted in the corrupt zardari being now in power), we now have political leaders who know who can hire and fire them - the people of Pakistan.

and those who continue their cynical bemoaning of "sab chor hain" are not just wrong, they are ingrates who dont deserve to live among a freedom loving people - whether in Pakistan or in the US.

17 August 1988 #25 ....yes..but...moreover...however...

My Dear President Musharraf #95 he resigned in order to avoid facing charges. he used the opportunity to make one last speech to the nation to repeat his usual lies and hollow claims, rather than use the opportunity to apologize or even acknowledge even the more obvious destructive actions he took. where do you see dignity in all this? this was a coward and braggart taking an escape route presented to him for his own self-serving reasons by zardari.

My Dear President Musharraf BJ2: "the land stays with us"

and this attitude is precisely why after 60 years kashmiris want to have nothing to do with india.

My Dear President Musharraf #76 hamidm: and will you be leading the charge for the liberation? or simply charging towards the libation?

Musharraf\'s Resignation and Beyond Ahmedzai: welcome back.

please dont follow the easy course of repeating the conventional wisdom in Pakistan which treats the US as some kind of an omnipotent being without whose permission "even a bird may not fall". Rather than a nation with legitimate self-interest in fata - namely, preventing the armed bands of men hiding their from conducting future 9/11 type disastrous attacks on it. If musharraf cared as much for the safety of the Pakistani people, he would have joined hands with the US to eliminate these thugs once and for all. Instead, he made a career out of it by playing both sides of the fence.

As for the US influence, think about this: the military did not interfere in Feb 18 elections - and what changed was not the US, but the C-in-C on the army: the lawbreaker musharraf being replaced kiyani whose actions have shown him to be serious about his duties, unlike the self-promoter musharraf. What reasonable conclusions does one draw from this?