unflinching idealism ... since 1997 archivessitemapabouthelpfeedback
all are welcome to read, write and think
  • Home
  • InFocus
  • Themes
  • Columns
  • Articles
  • Fiction
  • iLogs
  • Gallery
  • Unplugged
  • Writers
  • Interactors
  • Tags
Sign in | Join Chowk
web chowk
  • Manjit
  • Intro & Favorites
  • iLogs
  • Gallery
  • Interacts
  • latest
  • most viewed
  • random
listing 1-16   1 2 3
The War and its Advocate: Michael Kelly Killed in Iraq
Posted by Manjit Apr 10, 2003 08:19 pm
nawaid

90% of Pakistanis may not know who Dawood Ibrahim is but he is more useful to ISI and Pakistani government than their atomic bomb. An expose of him when Pakistani government has been saying that it can`t find him

http://www.newsline.com.pk/NewslineSept/coverstory2.htm
Kashmir: Time for a Radical Approach?
Posted by Manjit Apr 6, 2003 11:02 pm
sadna # 340

`` an attack in which 3-4 innocent people were killed, including civilians. ``

Following that attack, Cowasjee wrote an article basically accusing India of organizing the `drama.`
Posted by Manjit Apr 4, 2003 11:40 pm
nahi, aisa nahi. dono evil hain but not in the same category. Thackeray is religious evil. Uske jaise bhi Pakistan mein bahut honge. altaf hussain is more like secular Kashmiris or khalistanis who support violence for political purposes. That is all :)
Posted by Manjit Apr 4, 2003 03:45 pm
temporal # 2

``evil twins of bal thackeray and altaf hussain``

Bal Thackery and Altaf Hussain are evil twins? How?
This War is a Sham!
Posted by Manjit Apr 2, 2003 02:32 pm
ali87

You are now resorting to desperate emotional arguments.

I don`t know whether Americans will follow the Geneva convention or not if they are outgunned. What I am saying is that it is safer for the lives of noncombatant Iraqi people if Iraqi soldiers did not pretend to surrender and then start shooting.

Unless you are more interested in blaming the US than in saving noncombatant Iraqi lives.
They Shoot Kashmiri Pandits, Dont They?
Posted by Manjit Mar 31, 2003 11:05 pm
temporal # 115

It is a sensitive topic which creates misunderstanding. I too first felt you were blaming the GOI for the acts of terrorists. I now know that is not the case and Sadna and you agree much more than you disagree.
They Shoot Kashmiri Pandits, Dont They?
Posted by Manjit Mar 31, 2003 09:17 pm
Tipu # 100

Could you give a link to that story? I had heard a slightly different version.
Kashmir: Time for a Radical Approach?
Posted by Manjit Mar 31, 2003 09:17 pm
Too much has already been lost. There isn`t much support for an independent Kashmir in the powers that be in Pakistan either. Neither India nor Pakistan have full Kashmir. Kashmiris may not be happy about India and Pakistan holding parts of Kashmir but the state had been quiet until 1980s. The development of industry in Kashmir had lagged but the state did receive the largest share of Federal funds per capita.

Changing the status quo at this time will uncover very deep wounds that time is beginning to heal. New generation in India doesnt carry the baggage of partition. New generation of Pakistanis should also be the same. Rehashing partition at this time should be the last thing on our minds.
This War is a Sham!
Posted by Manjit Mar 31, 2003 09:17 pm
ali87

I don`t support this war. I believe that Iraqis who are fighting the Amercians are following their duty. However, Iraqi soldiers who pretend to surrender and then open fire on Americans are endangering the lives of other Iraqis. That is why the Geneva convention forbids such behavior.

Your and studebaker`s bringing in Shivaji was deliberately provocative and inappropriate. I can bring in the practices of Muhammad but that too will not be relevant to what we are discussing here.
They Shoot Kashmiri Pandits, Dont They?
Posted by Manjit Mar 31, 2003 09:17 pm
ahmadzai # 73

You can believe whatever makes sense to you. Others will judge you according to the quality of your beliefs. I would request you to give some thought to the words of M. P. Bhandra who acknowledges that the world does not consider Pakistan`s word to be of 22-carat quality -

``If we are really serious about finding some solution to this intractable problem, we have to come clean with world opinion. We will have to confront our jihadists some day, better now than never. The jihadist mentality was tried once before in East Pakistan with disastrous results.``


Gulf News, not a newspaper published by the GOI, just published the following -

http://www.gulf-news.com/Articles/news.asp?ArticleID=82300

See ahmadzai, Indians do not give much importance to what you or Pakistani military think about India or Kashmir. To us it is a problem of violence and fanaticism, and we will face it as that. The question is what you want to do with Pakistan itself.
They Shoot Kashmiri Pandits, Dont They?
Posted by Manjit Mar 30, 2003 09:46 pm
Ras

Thank you for understanding. There is anger in India at continuing killings in Kashmir. It is not enough to argue that if the GOI won`t do the bidding of some others then all Pandits should be killed. Then to read an article like this is very irritating.

Everybody on Chowk should support you in wishing hell for people who perpetrated both Gujrat and these killings.
This War is a Sham!
Posted by Manjit Mar 30, 2003 08:43 pm
Ali87 and studebaker

Comparing these people to Shivaji is silly. In those days Shivaji was fighting against Muslims who had not heard of the Geneva convention and were more likely to rape a woman than observe any rules of war.

Nonetheless, I oppose this war.
They Shoot Kashmiri Pandits, Dont They?
Posted by Manjit Mar 30, 2003 12:43 pm
temporal

That is reasonable. An agreement between India and Pakistan would be desirable. However that agreement has not occurred in the last fifty years and is unlikely to occur. The problem is not only with GOI as Dilip D`Souza suggests. I did not see any solution from D`Souza. Therefore, to use the disagreement to justify killing of people by one side to change the status quo is quite low.

ahmadzai

Your argument has been made ad nauseum by Pakistani military. It may even be made on PTV because you seem to believe it. Just know that except for you and Farzana Versey the entire world knows where terrorists killing Kashmiris are being trained and prepared.

ali87

`hmm.. just like the hindus of Gujrat did by voting back modi to power?`

No. Like the Hindus who have exposed and opposed what happened in Gujrat. If Farzana Versey wants to take up the mantle of being a Modi equivalent then we should give her the regard that Modi deserves.
Islam in Crisis - Part 3
Posted by Manjit Mar 29, 2003 09:35 pm
# 30

Earlier you justified these killings by refering to what ummah.com was showing on its web page. I asked you whether you believed that ummah.com was showing you the full truth.

Now you justify these killings of Hindus because `India made a promise to Kashmiris and Pakistani at the UN and then decided not to honor it.` I will ask you again, do you have the full truth about the role of Pakistan and India in Kashmir`s history? Do you support the killing of people under such similar situations?


They Shoot Kashmiri Pandits, Dont They?
Posted by Manjit Mar 29, 2003 09:08 pm
This is really a new low on Chowk.

rozaiba

The writer argues the pandit`s should take a stance for `kashmirayat.` How does she knows that Pandits do not. Does standing for Kashmiriyat only mean that they should support Kashmir joining Pakistan or separating from India? If they don`t, should they be killed by Muslims?

She also claims that Pandits willingly left their homes in Kashmir to become refugees for their `short-term` advantage. When someone sees his family members and neighbors being killed, and leaves his home to become a refugee in another part of the country, leaving their jobs, their businesses behind, what short-term advantage is he looking for? When Muslims in godhra moved into Muslim dominated areas in Gujrat afte rthe killings, did they do so because of `short-term` advantage? How low is that kind of argument?

Temporal

`specifically for the Pandits, until the Kashmir Cancer is cured, this is the problem of GoI…and from all reports one reads (including the latest column on the subject by dilip in today’s rediff) the indian politicians of all colours and feathers pay only lip service to this problem…and are NOT interested in offering a viable solution…`

What specifically do you mean by this statement?




Islam in Crisis - Part 3
Posted by Manjit Mar 28, 2003 07:53 pm
# 26

Jihadis killed and mutilated more Kashmiri civilians yesterday.

To support the brutal cutting the throat of a person and expressing delight in the slaughtering of Hindus you should have very good cause.

To what extent do you trust http://www.ummah.org.uk/ to give you full facts about Kashmir?
listing 1-16   1 2 3

  • Manjit
  • Interacts: 39
  • iLogs: 0
  • Gallery: 0
  • Page views: 253
  • Last visitor: guest
  • Member since: Nov 11 2002
  • Last signin: Apr 12 2003
  • Send a message
  • Add as friend
  • Add to ignore list
  • Add to block list

Featured iLogs

  • Manjit
  • Manjit
  • Manjit

Top 5 Articles This Week

  • Popular
  • The Correct Turn
  • G-8: RIP?
  • Politics of PPP and Asif Zardari
  • Urdu News Columnists and Anchors -- should we always believe them?
  • Hop Aboard the Interfaith Express
  • Featured
  • There are a Lot of Monkeys
  • White Charade
  • Words of a Woman
  • FOX News and the Smelly Shoes
  • Dilemmas of Creative Children
  • 10 Years Ago
  • Flowers Once Grew Here, You Know
  • This Should Do It
  • What’s in a name?
  • Raj and I
  • A Ray of Hope

Write on Chowk Interact Guidelines Privacy policy Terms Contact

Copyright © 1997 - 2008 chowk.com. All Rights Reserved
Reproduction of material on any www.chowk.com pages without prior written permissions is strictly prohibited