Welcome Home Ms Bhutto Re: # 110
Since non-muslim females don’t suffer as much from religio-cultural oppression, they already have many role models to chose from, for this reason I mentioned role model for muslim females.

Welcome Home Ms Bhutto I am not sure if baebynazir can solve the problems Pakistan faces, such poverty, terrorism, law and order, but she could serve as a powerful symbol, a female leader of a muslim country. Thereby be a role model for muslim females around the world, to look beyond the kitchen sink and have aspirations in the field of business and professions.

France has a better Middle East foreign policy than the Brits and Americans? Re: # 5
Naqshbandi

The problem in UK is all the top talent seems to leave for Hollywood as soon as they are any good, credit should be given to british TV for nurturing such talent, who would think kate beckinsale is a brit she even has an American accent.

There is a british director he’s from working class background, shane meadows he’s tackled the issue of racism really well in the film THIS IS ENGLAND

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0jkv2bRFgQ&NR=1

France has a better Middle East foreign policy than the Brits and Americans? Re: # 3
It’s true European cinema is more realistic, it’s also heavily subsidised, recently I watched a French film “ a very long engagement” which is quite good.

UK also produces some good hard hitting films sometimes, one such film is “ this is england “ it explores the issues of race, immigration and the rise of skin heads culture.

Can Religious Leaders Redeem the Future of the World? Re: # 144
#144 Posted by ferozk

I am afraid don’t remember that dialogue but on the whole I liked the movie.

regards

Can Religious Leaders Redeem the Future of the World? Re: # 136
tahmed
Prejudice between different groups of same race is of a totally different nature, than prejudice against people of colour.

As we have seen in the USA within couple of generations Italians, jews, irish etc have assimilated into the WASP mainstream, the blacks haven’t even though they have been there for generations.

Recently I watched a movie “ THE GOOD SHEPHERD “

Here is a dialogue from it at one time the WASPS thought they owned the USA.

between a Mafia don and an impeccably WASPish CIA operative. “We Italians, we have the church and our family. The Irish have their homeland. The Jews have their traditions. Even the niggers, they've got their music. What do you people have?”
The CIA man replies, with all of the force of Yale and its most revered secret society, Skull and Bones. “The United States of America. The rest of you are just visiting.”

Can Religious Leaders Redeem the Future of the World? Re: # 131
Mr madni

Call it what you will, inferiority complex, or just desi mens obsession with blondes, many moons ago me and my cousin Nasser were coming home from work, on our way we saw two blondes heading into town for a night out, so I said to Nasser you know we’ve not had some of that, Nasser replied, it’s our parents they are strict they wouldn’t allow it. There must be a way, we could leave and live in another town, i said. We decided we’d go and live in chester since it has hardly any Asians there, so off to chester we went , we both managed to find work in a plywood factory, come weekend we hit the downtown for the elusive blondes, no luck even after three months of trying, they wouldn’t even give us the time of day.


I gave up trying and would spend weekend evenings in front of tv, but Nasser never gave up, one night lo and behold Nasser walked in with a blonde old enough to be his granny and the size of an elephant, talk about grab a granny, any how the morning after the night before, I asked him how was it like, his reply it was different

Can Religious Leaders Redeem the Future of the World? I am afraid masadi might have a point if one of the great scientist thinks thinks blacks are inferior, it begs the question what about ordinary whites.

One of the world’s most respected scientists is embroiled in an extraordinary row after claiming that black people are less intelligent than white people.
James Watson, a Nobel Prize winner for his part in discovering the structure of DNA, has provoked outrage with his comments, made ahead of his arrival in Britain today.
More fierce criticism of the eminent scientist is expected as he embarks on a number of engagements to promote a new book ‘Avoid Boring People: Lessons from a Life in Science’. Among his first commitments is a speech to a London audience at the Science Museum on Friday. The event is sold out.
Dr Watson, who runs one of America’s leading scientific research institutions, made the controversial remarks in an interview in The Sunday Times.
The 79-year-old geneticist said he was “inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa” because “all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours - whereas all the testing says not really.". He said he hoped that everyone was equal, but countered that “people who have to deal with black employees find this not true”.
He says that you should not discriminate on the basis of colour, because “there are many people of colour who are very talented, but don’t promote them when they haven’t succeeded at the lower level”. He writes that “there is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so”.
He claimed genes responsible for creating differences in human intelligence could be found within a decade.
The newly formed Equality and Human Rights Commission is studying Dr Watson’s remarks “in full”.
Keith Vaz, the Labour chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee, said today: “It is sad to see a scientist of such achievement making such baseless, unscientific and extremely offensive comments.
“I am sure the scientific community will roundly reject what appear to be Dr Watson’s personal prejudices. These comments serve as a reminder of the attitudes which can still exist at the highest professional levels.”
Dr Watson was hailed as achieving one of the greatest single scientific breakthroughs of the 20th century when he worked at the University of Cambridge in the 1950s and 1960s, forming part of the team which discovered the structure of DNA.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article2677098.ece?token=null&off set=0
He shared the 1962 Nobel Prize for medicine with his British colleague Francis Crick and New Zealand-born Maurice Wilkins.

Can Religious Leaders Redeem the Future of the World? Re: # 102
as far as i am aware there are no laws in europe which discriminate in favour of non-muslim countries, thousands of iraqis are getting asylum, 80,000 in sweden alone.

Can Religious Leaders Redeem the Future of the World? Re: # 97
I agree with you that Pakistani immigrants in Europe are viewed with suspicion because of the actions of few muslims, before 9/11 pakistani-panjabis were flooding into Europe both legally and illegally in spain and italy mini Pakistans were being created quite a few have established thriving businesses. Compared to northern Europe southern Europe is paradise in terms of weather. Let us hope this is only a temporary problem and immigration proceeds as before because this has the potential to transform Punjab. I have witnessed with my own eyes some villages in jhelum where quite a few young men have gone to Europe for work, there is construction boom in these villages with new houses and small businesses being built.

Can Religious Leaders Redeem the Future of the World? Re: # 31
ladu
things are much complicated than simply muslim versus christian EU and US want to route gas and oil pipelines from central asia through muslim Turkey thereby avoiding christian Russia and they want to increase their dependence on gas from muslim north africa.

btw India and china are seen as rivals for the upcoming competition for resources.

Can Religious Leaders Redeem the Future of the World? The backlash against muslims post 9/11 has been there in Europe if rather subtle, from planning permission for new mosques to tighter immigration laws. Unlike US, muslim countries are on the doorstep of Europe so for this reason it has to be very careful not to antagonise them, it relies on them for its energy needs, also maybe in the near future for its manpower needs, because Europe’s population is ageing fast for it to maintain its living standards it would have to import upto 50m people in the next 20 to 30 years, unless ofcourse there is new technology which would do the work of humans.

The Melting Pot Re: # 71
masadi
since coloured minority are only 10% of UK's population, if each and every one of them married white spouse that would only be 10% of UK's marriages being inter-ethnic.

The Melting Pot masadi
you have a veeeeeery veeeery poor grasp of maths so its no point discussing it with you.

The Melting Pot Re: # 64
Masadi
It seems UK has a better record of inter-ethnic marriages.

Second generation - proportion with a white spouse or partner
Overall
Black African 15.3%
Black Caribbean 38.1%
Chinese 73.5%
Bangladeshi 11.4%
Pakistani 5.2%
Indian 14.2%
Mixed 76.3%

Men
Black African 20.9%
Black Caribbean 47.1%
Chinese 61.3%
Bangladeshi 10.4%
Pakistani 8.8%
Indian 13.0%
Mixed 81.5%

Women
Black African 9.6%
Black Caribbean 29.0%
Chinese 85.6%
Bangladeshi 12.4%
Pakistani 1.5%
Indian 15.3%
Mixed 71.1%
Source
http://acsr.anu.edu.au/APA2004/papers/2E_Muttarak.pdf

The Melting Pot Re: # 51
Hamidm

What I gather from dost mitter’s post hindus are just as much prejudice when it comes to muslims and Africans, the question, is being selectively prejudice any better than muslims against all non-believers.