Aitzaz’s Monumental Blunder #56 by majumdar

Surely MAJ (pbuh) couldnt have asked his people to abandon their legitimate right (Pakistan) just 'cos of threat of violence.

It is the very threat of violence (oppression actually) that drove him to demand Pakistan, or so he claimed.

Aitzaz’s Monumental Blunder #53 by rf786

There is a difference here, MAJ was the indisputable leader of the pre-partition muslim masses whereas IK has yet to establish his credentials as a politician leave alone claim to be a leader.

Arif bhai, fear is a very potent binding factor. All Imran has needs to do is scream that his community is in danger and project himself as the savior and things could change very quickly :-)

#50 by majumdar

He acted as a recruitment agent for Brits in WW-I during his stint in South Africa, during which time he famously compared the blacks to as being little different from animals.

Majumdar bhai, as someone pointed out the other day, Gandhi was only as prejudiced as everyone else during those days.

There was a lot of violence during DAD but DAD specifically was not a call to arms. There was a lot of violence by Hindoos too during Partition and should we not ascribe it to MKG, if we are ascribing Muslim violence to MAJ (pbuh). Is there any single statement or speech where MAJ (pbuh) asked Muslims to sluaghter non-Muslims?

Majumdar bhai, not everything needs to be explicit; the context is very important. When things are calm even if you ask people to slaughter their enemies, they probably won't do it. OTOH, when things are charged as they were in the months preceding the DAD, even a simple call to "Direct Action" could mean violence; Jinnah couldn't have been ignorant of that. Besides, his minions were issuing blood-curdling threats to violence; if you want, I can provide the evidence. The man instead of asking them to calm down boasted that "Muslims have forged a pistol and were in a position to use it". Of course you could argue (as Yasser did) that it was metaphorical but during those days, it meant much more than just a metaphor.

As far as appealing to communal feelings is concerned, who started the game, MKG or MAJ. Pkaistan and TNT came much later than MKG's call for Khilafat and Ram Rajya.

This is a lame copout. Can you please quote a single instance where Gandhi was as provocative as Jinnah was?

Aitzaz’s Monumental Blunder #43 by rf786

Arif bhai, I have nothing either for or against Imran Khan. All I was pointing out to my dear friend Majumdar bhai is that whatever allegations he has against IK can be levelled at Jinnah too. And even there IK comes out smelling of roses :-)

Aitzaz’s Monumental Blunder #42 by majumdar

He could have acted as a recruitment agent for the Brits during WW-I (like an alleged Mahatma did).

Majumdar bhai, did Gandhi claim to be a revolutionary? Double standards again? Besides AFAIK, Gandhi returned to India in 1919, the year the WWI ended. Looks like you're faithfully echoing Yasser.

Yes, mercifully IK has not condoned the violence the Moplahs did in 1920s.

Do I take it as you have no answer to this because you seem to be off on a tangent?

Btw when did MAJ (pbuh) incite Muslims to attack Hindoos/Sikhs?

Majumdar bhai, if you're still asking me this question after reading Beej bhai's thread on the Direct Action Day violence, I can only presume that you aren't serious.

When did MAJ (pbuh) hobnob with the Khilafatists, Deobandis et al?

Just because Jinnah held the Mullahs in contempt doesn't mean he wasn't communal. The man appealed to communal feelings of Muslims and completely out-Mullahed the Mullahs. No wonder he caused the deaths of lakhs of Hindus, Muslims and Sikhs, a feat no Mullah could ever have managed.

Aitzaz’s Monumental Blunder #34 by majumdar

The guy was cheering for Mushy in 1999 and has been hobnobbing with the sarkari maulvis since then.

Majumdar bhai, this is a blatant case of double standards on your part. What you accuse Imran Khan of doing sounds very similar to what Jinnah did. First, being an establishment man (a "constitutionalist", someone who submits token and meaningless petitions pretending to be for the common man while being careful enough not to upset the applecart and helping the establishment maintain the status quo) and then openly hobnobbing with the communal forces (and in Jinnah's case, becoming their numero uno). Yet you fawn over Jinnah while dissing IK. At least IK doesn't incite people to go against people of other religions like that man did.

Restoring the Civil Rights of Ahmadis #73 by MantoLives

Really? Poor Yasser. Being victimized for no fault of his. Why don't you demand a Pakistan on Chowk where no Hindus and Sikhs are allowed?

Restoring the Civil Rights of Ahmadis LOL! Sad to see Yasser reduced to such whimpering.

Restoring the Civil Rights of Ahmadis #67 by _arjun5

IBM bought daksh..so IBM is an Indian company

Yep and Daiichi bought Ranbaxy so Daiichi is an Indian company now...LOL!

Restoring the Civil Rights of Ahmadis #59 by _arjun5

seriously manto...people who quote nominal GDP numbers, call rutgers an ivy league school and call orascom a paki company should look back into their own self-deluded past..

Yaar Arjun, cut Yasser some slack. He's the brightest Pakistan has got and you had to spoil his party.

Restoring the Civil Rights of Ahmadis #57 by MantoLives

I have whooped your ass so many times on this discussion that it is not worth it anymore. Marginal utility of whooping your ass has been on a nose dive.

Yasser mian, we all know that when it comes to abuse, none of us can measure up to you. Perhaps that comes from the upbringing. But will you please argue with proofs or once again just declare victory and run away (with tail in between legs)?

PS: I just don't know what whether to sympathize with you or go mad at you with anger. A part of me really feels sorry for you because you have to defend a criminal who caused a holocaust on the subcontinent.

Restoring the Civil Rights of Ahmadis The only piece of evidence (Stanley Wolpert's report in the Time) in relation to who started the violence was given by me. You on the other hand claimed that since more Muslims were killed and Sardar Patel gloated at the fact automatically means it was the Congress that started it. Is the number of casualties proof of who started it?

Restoring the Civil Rights of Ahmadis We all know Congress carried out the slaughter of Muslims in Calcutta.

We all, as in Yasser and family? Because otherwise there is absolutely no evidence to contradict the fact that the Direct Action was called for by Jinnah and that Suhrawardy had given the police a holiday so ML goons could have a free rein. Even your favorite, Stanley Wolpert reported that it was Muslims who had started the violence?

How many times must you be shamed with evidence?

Evidence that it wasn't Jinnah who called for Direct Action?

Restoring the Civil Rights of Ahmadis #46 by MantoLives

A 45 year old Indian Mahatma goes around calling Black people subhuman for many years... Then he doesn't have the grace to accept that he was wrong.

If a much older Jinnah calls for Direct Action that leads to the killing of thousands of Hindus and Muslims doesn't have the grace to apologize, how do you expect a 45 year old Mahatma to apologize for something he had done much earlier in his life?

Restoring the Civil Rights of Ahmadis #40 by akcheema

Also, this was from very early on in Gandhi's "political career"....I call it deliberately distorting the truth.

Cheema bhai, this is what I and many others have pointed out too. But I guess the balance of Yasser's entire thesis hangs on this slender bit of "evidence".

The Bhopal Tragedy Continues #5 by harish_hyd

...children given birth to by affectees after the disaster have suffered....

The Bhopal Tragedy Continues #4 by nkg

When Union Carbide wanted to provide compensation to the victims, victims and GOI asked for abnormaly high amount ( compared to the current market rate used for train accident victims)

If that is the case, the GoI was right in demanding higher compensation. Because whereas in a train accident only the victim dies, in the Bhopal gas leak case, children given birth to affectees after the disaster have suffered various ailments and deformities and continue to do so. Besides, the environmental damage suffered was enormous.