Love him or hate him: Musharraf not a tyrant
Musharraf is gone!
Long Live Musharraf!
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 22, 2008 12:59 am
Nothing but rotheric. What did he accomplish and what he failed to? To me, just like the British Parliamentary King,Musharraf is gone!
Long Live Musharraf!
Musharraf\'s Resignation and Beyond
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 21, 2008 08:25 am
Welcome back Ahmadzai
My Dear President Musharraf
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 20, 2008 01:02 am
Just as a lead, Joint Chief controls the Gaurd of Honour.
My Dear President Musharraf
Musharraf created many checks and balances. This is one of them.
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 20, 2008 12:59 am
The chairman of the Strategic Plans Division that controls all strategic assets and their development is under a retired Lt. General Kidwai, hand picked by Musharraf. These are in turn under command of the Chairman Joint Chief of Staff. The army does not control these.Musharraf created many checks and balances. This is one of them.
17 August 1988
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 19, 2008 10:29 pm
Yes, there was disillusionment due to lack of logistic planning, aims and the disowned nature of conflict.
My Dear President Musharraf
I agree. We as Pakistanis are always looking for the Savior. This has been at the cost of institutionalism, pluralism and intruementalism.
The drama has just begun and the euporia of distributing sweets on the streets is over in 24 hours. As Zardari and NS lock horns over the judicial crises, a lot will happen and within three months people would be recalling Musharraf in good words.
Thats why Musharraf said, 'Pakistan ka Khuda Hafiz'. Politicians such as Zardari will never have the wherewithal to offset the competing centres of power.
In my reckoning, its the same relay race and Musharraf has handed the baton to Zardari. Meanwhile, the match fixers and referees sit outside. Lets see for how long NS can challenge this status qou.
On HPs linear equation, we are down from 60% to 45%.
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 19, 2008 09:36 pm
Kamnath,and BJ2( not forgetting HP),I agree. We as Pakistanis are always looking for the Savior. This has been at the cost of institutionalism, pluralism and intruementalism.
The drama has just begun and the euporia of distributing sweets on the streets is over in 24 hours. As Zardari and NS lock horns over the judicial crises, a lot will happen and within three months people would be recalling Musharraf in good words.
Thats why Musharraf said, 'Pakistan ka Khuda Hafiz'. Politicians such as Zardari will never have the wherewithal to offset the competing centres of power.
In my reckoning, its the same relay race and Musharraf has handed the baton to Zardari. Meanwhile, the match fixers and referees sit outside. Lets see for how long NS can challenge this status qou.
On HPs linear equation, we are down from 60% to 45%.
17 August 1988
I do not agree. I attended a military seminar in Singapore in 1999. It was called Pacific Armies Military Seminar in which the entire NATO countries and 36 besides them took part. Two officers a brigadier and colonel represented Pakistan. They were apparently the most creative and articulate. The standard of young officers still remains very high in the army. Their casualty ratio in Kargil and FATA compared to oveall casualties is very high.
The problem arises with the courses related to vertical mobilisation. That is where stereotypes begin to form and brilliants like Agha Amin get weeded out for being non conformists. All officers attending foreign courses do extremely well.
I have had chance to read books written for Military Stategy of many countries. Both India and Pakistan have nearly the same scripts and stereotypes. I could best describe them as funnel visioned.
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 19, 2008 09:12 pm
Sanatani,I do not agree. I attended a military seminar in Singapore in 1999. It was called Pacific Armies Military Seminar in which the entire NATO countries and 36 besides them took part. Two officers a brigadier and colonel represented Pakistan. They were apparently the most creative and articulate. The standard of young officers still remains very high in the army. Their casualty ratio in Kargil and FATA compared to oveall casualties is very high.
The problem arises with the courses related to vertical mobilisation. That is where stereotypes begin to form and brilliants like Agha Amin get weeded out for being non conformists. All officers attending foreign courses do extremely well.
I have had chance to read books written for Military Stategy of many countries. Both India and Pakistan have nearly the same scripts and stereotypes. I could best describe them as funnel visioned.
17 August 1988
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 19, 2008 11:23 am
Given that she was about 14 in 1988, perhaps born in mid seventies, that right after Jordan.
17 August 1988
He was also a very good solcialite and could leave an imprint on civilian minds. At Okara, he was very friendly with Rao Sikandar who later became his Defence Minister.In 1996, I interviewed him in connection with a research paper on Kashmir. He was then a Corps Commander and had served as Director General Military Operations. His views on Kashmir were a surprise to my expectations. However, as COAS, he did exactly the opposite of what he had told me in an interview at Kargil.This means that he was inconsistent in thought, had inate contradictions and maleable to suggestions of his inner circle; a trait he displayed repeatedly as a dictator.He was never a man of detail. A broad brush, he owned many mistakes of his team, about which he had the least idea.
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 19, 2008 10:49 am
Musharraf was a FC College Bully and gangster. His stint in commados emboldened the bully in him. He loved to have a group of youngsters around him seeking adventure and flirting with danger. He was also a very good solcialite and could leave an imprint on civilian minds. At Okara, he was very friendly with Rao Sikandar who later became his Defence Minister.In 1996, I interviewed him in connection with a research paper on Kashmir. He was then a Corps Commander and had served as Director General Military Operations. His views on Kashmir were a surprise to my expectations. However, as COAS, he did exactly the opposite of what he had told me in an interview at Kargil.This means that he was inconsistent in thought, had inate contradictions and maleable to suggestions of his inner circle; a trait he displayed repeatedly as a dictator.He was never a man of detail. A broad brush, he owned many mistakes of his team, about which he had the least idea.
17 August 1988
Atonement came in the way of overt display of religious symbolism. A boozer and smoker that he was, as a GOC, he began display of Nimaz specially during office timings. I know one of his staff officer, who suddenly discovered religion, but only to impress his GOC. The transformation continued even when he was a corps commander. He was then elevated as COAS by Bhutto who thought of him as a pliable obedient person. Religion became the caption in every military unit of Pakistan and he began talking of UMMAH with a connect to Bhutto's Islamic Summit.Bhutto felt happy.
I am now sure that at some point, he was considered fit to preside over the judicial murder of his mentor. 1979 came as a blessing. This is when politics of manipulating religion for personal gains became the order of the day. Rest is history whose consequences we bear even today.
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 19, 2008 10:34 am
As I remember, Brigadier Zia was sent to Jordan to command a brigade for internal security of Jordan which was under threat by PLO. Zia carried out a ruthless massacre that resulted in extradition of Palestenians from Jordon to Lebonon. King Hussaian always admired him for that. A mediocre officer who was cited by the Pentagon as early as that. Having done that gory act, it was time for atonement.Atonement came in the way of overt display of religious symbolism. A boozer and smoker that he was, as a GOC, he began display of Nimaz specially during office timings. I know one of his staff officer, who suddenly discovered religion, but only to impress his GOC. The transformation continued even when he was a corps commander. He was then elevated as COAS by Bhutto who thought of him as a pliable obedient person. Religion became the caption in every military unit of Pakistan and he began talking of UMMAH with a connect to Bhutto's Islamic Summit.Bhutto felt happy.
I am now sure that at some point, he was considered fit to preside over the judicial murder of his mentor. 1979 came as a blessing. This is when politics of manipulating religion for personal gains became the order of the day. Rest is history whose consequences we bear even today.
17 August 1988
His policies have haunted Pakistan for 35 years and would continue to rip into the national fabric for times to come.
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 17, 2008 10:56 pm
I would only disagree on one point. He was terminated not by divine design, but because he had out lived his utility.His policies have haunted Pakistan for 35 years and would continue to rip into the national fabric for times to come.
It\'s Politics Uber Alles In Kashmir ..... And India
I gave you the reference before too. Its on my other computer and shall post it. The Hindu right was certainly for doing away with Kashmir. This is a sign of growing radicalism.
Secularism, Liberalism a la Jatti etc is just a facade.
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 17, 2008 08:19 am
DM,I gave you the reference before too. Its on my other computer and shall post it. The Hindu right was certainly for doing away with Kashmir. This is a sign of growing radicalism.
Secularism, Liberalism a la Jatti etc is just a facade.
It\'s Politics Uber Alles In Kashmir ..... And India
The issue is the the most important party is Kashmiris.
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 17, 2008 06:52 am
arjun,The issue is the the most important party is Kashmiris.
It\'s Politics Uber Alles In Kashmir ..... And India
Provided that the recommendation of the Constituent Assembly of the State referred to in clause (2) shall be necessary before the President issues such a notification.
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 16, 2008 10:59 pm
arjun friend, I already owe you a ehsan. please add this too.Provided that the recommendation of the Constituent Assembly of the State referred to in clause (2) shall be necessary before the President issues such a notification.
It\'s Politics Uber Alles In Kashmir ..... And India
2. If the concurrence of the Government of the State referred to in paragraph (ii) of sub-clause (b) of clause (1) or in second proviso to sub-clause (d) of that clause be given before the Constituent Assembly for the purpose of framing the Constitution of the State is convened, it shall be placed before such Assembly for such decision as it may take thereon.
3. Notwithstanding anything in the foregoing provisions of the article, the President may, by public notification, declare that this article shall cease to be operative or shall be operative only with such exceptions and modifications and from such date as he may notify:
Provided that the recommendation of the Constituent Assembly of the State referred to in clause (2) shall be necessary before the President issues such a notification.
I hope this clarifies. In fact it is an article that ensures seperatism. My question is, why temporary only for Kashmir? and what of areas India absorbed after 1949?
Its a long legal case I discussed already with Dost Mittar few years ago. Article 370 is based on malafide intentions as was the 1948 Kashmir Resolution. It was based on the insistence of ANC. Ar that time the Hindu Right wanted nothing to do with Kashmir.
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 16, 2008 10:45 pm
'Article 370 Temporary provisions with respect to the State of Jammu and Kashmir'2. If the concurrence of the Government of the State referred to in paragraph (ii) of sub-clause (b) of clause (1) or in second proviso to sub-clause (d) of that clause be given before the Constituent Assembly for the purpose of framing the Constitution of the State is convened, it shall be placed before such Assembly for such decision as it may take thereon.
3. Notwithstanding anything in the foregoing provisions of the article, the President may, by public notification, declare that this article shall cease to be operative or shall be operative only with such exceptions and modifications and from such date as he may notify:
Provided that the recommendation of the Constituent Assembly of the State referred to in clause (2) shall be necessary before the President issues such a notification.
I hope this clarifies. In fact it is an article that ensures seperatism. My question is, why temporary only for Kashmir? and what of areas India absorbed after 1949?
Its a long legal case I discussed already with Dost Mittar few years ago. Article 370 is based on malafide intentions as was the 1948 Kashmir Resolution. It was based on the insistence of ANC. Ar that time the Hindu Right wanted nothing to do with Kashmir.
It\'s Politics Uber Alles In Kashmir ..... And India
EKHLAVA,
Yes your comment on Balochistan is valid. The then Baloch Sardar Khosa who was a communist athiest went ruuning to Maulana Azad and told him in explicit terms that he wanted to be part of the Indiam Dominion. Maulana Azad convinced him that his future was with Pakistan. It was pursuant to this that the Great Baloch jirga was held for accession with Pakistan. Later Khosa decanted and accepted Islam from Maulana Sindhi.
But all this is another story.
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 16, 2008 09:46 am
In the legal Battle, 370 is a manifestation of India's double policy and hence a loophole. Without the consent of Kshmiris it cannot ge annulled.EKHLAVA,
Yes your comment on Balochistan is valid. The then Baloch Sardar Khosa who was a communist athiest went ruuning to Maulana Azad and told him in explicit terms that he wanted to be part of the Indiam Dominion. Maulana Azad convinced him that his future was with Pakistan. It was pursuant to this that the Great Baloch jirga was held for accession with Pakistan. Later Khosa decanted and accepted Islam from Maulana Sindhi.
But all this is another story.
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