And then there was The Impeachment Issue…
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 12, 2008 11:06 pm
If not for any other reason, the geographical location of Taxila being centralwas more suitable.
And then there was The Impeachment Issue…
As for the Nara Civilisation, not much is known but some of the most established were at Mehrgarh, Harrapa and Gulf of Cambay (India)
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 12, 2008 10:47 pm
After the Nandas were defeated, it shifted to Taxila.As for the Nara Civilisation, not much is known but some of the most established were at Mehrgarh, Harrapa and Gulf of Cambay (India)
And then there was The Impeachment Issue…
As per folklore and some archeoligical data, Nara Civilisation preceded the Ganga-Yunmana.It was Nara/Ghagghar/Hakra/Reini/Saraswati that changed course due to a massive earthquake in pre historic times. As a result some theorise that the course of Nara took a 90 Degree turn and became Yomana causing massive floods and devastation. These are the floods mentioned in vedas. Taking this destruction divine,the river got its mythical religious roots. The Drift/ridge that came to be formed in Nara is visible even today as lines of pyramids near Dijkot Pakistan. It is called the Nara faultline. I trekked this entire course in 2005, perhaps the first to do so. You will see two very distinct pics in my blog.Part of this civilisation got submerged in sea near Dawarka in the Gulf of Cambay. Artifacts resemble Happara.
Palitiputra aws the throne of Nanda Dynasty and Chanakya Kautylia came much later to form the Maurya Dynasty. This is less than 2400 years ago.
Now about the super power that existed with capital in Taxila. This is a reproduction from my thesis.
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There is a belief that the Indian and Greek thought had learnt a great deal from each other. Much later Voltaire declared, "everything has come down to us from the banks of the Ganges", while the French historian Jules Michelet regarded India 'the womb of the world. Edward Pacoke thought Greek civilisation to be an offshoot civilisation inasmuch as Greece was believed to have been a colony of India. Even the Biblical scholars believe the Indus Valley to be the land of Havala, and the reference of River Pishon in the Book of Genesis is to Indus. ...................
Having established that the Arthashastra dates from around 4th BC-150AD in the previous chapter, it is logical to infer that at that time there were three main empires, and not two as listed by Rangarajan in his translation. The first two were the Nanda and the Chandragupta Maurayan empires while the third and largest was the Greek Empire, which spread from North West India to Asia Minor with its Garrison under Seleucus stationed at Taxila. It was here that Kautilya had picked his Greek knowledge and Chandragupta Mauraya had met Alexander. In 323 BC, on the news of Alexander's death at Babylon, Chandragupta and Kautilya stirred a revolt with slogans of Nationalism and drove away the Greek Garrison from Taxila. After making alliances of convenience, they than diverted inwards towards Pataliputra. By 325 BC, the Nanda Empire had been overrun, Greeks driven beyond Kabul and Herat and Alexander's General Seleucu's daughter taken in marriage by Chandragupta. Except South India, this Kingdom extended from Arabian Sea to Bay of Bengal and to Kabul in the North. The capital was at Pataliputra (Patna). ...........
On the external front, this empire dealt with Greeks, Central Asia, Europe, Arabs and Egyptians. Ambassadors came to the court at Pataliputra from Ptolenmy of Egypt and Antiochus. Ashoka added to these contacts and made India a centre of international commerce and Taxila became known as an intellectual centre. It can therefore be inferred that a high level of diplomacy, political economy, trade and international equilibrium was exercised for the order to sustain itself
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 12, 2008 10:35 pm
majumdar, ngk et al,As per folklore and some archeoligical data, Nara Civilisation preceded the Ganga-Yunmana.It was Nara/Ghagghar/Hakra/Reini/Saraswati that changed course due to a massive earthquake in pre historic times. As a result some theorise that the course of Nara took a 90 Degree turn and became Yomana causing massive floods and devastation. These are the floods mentioned in vedas. Taking this destruction divine,the river got its mythical religious roots. The Drift/ridge that came to be formed in Nara is visible even today as lines of pyramids near Dijkot Pakistan. It is called the Nara faultline. I trekked this entire course in 2005, perhaps the first to do so. You will see two very distinct pics in my blog.Part of this civilisation got submerged in sea near Dawarka in the Gulf of Cambay. Artifacts resemble Happara.
Palitiputra aws the throne of Nanda Dynasty and Chanakya Kautylia came much later to form the Maurya Dynasty. This is less than 2400 years ago.
Now about the super power that existed with capital in Taxila. This is a reproduction from my thesis.
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There is a belief that the Indian and Greek thought had learnt a great deal from each other. Much later Voltaire declared, "everything has come down to us from the banks of the Ganges", while the French historian Jules Michelet regarded India 'the womb of the world. Edward Pacoke thought Greek civilisation to be an offshoot civilisation inasmuch as Greece was believed to have been a colony of India. Even the Biblical scholars believe the Indus Valley to be the land of Havala, and the reference of River Pishon in the Book of Genesis is to Indus. ...................
Having established that the Arthashastra dates from around 4th BC-150AD in the previous chapter, it is logical to infer that at that time there were three main empires, and not two as listed by Rangarajan in his translation. The first two were the Nanda and the Chandragupta Maurayan empires while the third and largest was the Greek Empire, which spread from North West India to Asia Minor with its Garrison under Seleucus stationed at Taxila. It was here that Kautilya had picked his Greek knowledge and Chandragupta Mauraya had met Alexander. In 323 BC, on the news of Alexander's death at Babylon, Chandragupta and Kautilya stirred a revolt with slogans of Nationalism and drove away the Greek Garrison from Taxila. After making alliances of convenience, they than diverted inwards towards Pataliputra. By 325 BC, the Nanda Empire had been overrun, Greeks driven beyond Kabul and Herat and Alexander's General Seleucu's daughter taken in marriage by Chandragupta. Except South India, this Kingdom extended from Arabian Sea to Bay of Bengal and to Kabul in the North. The capital was at Pataliputra (Patna). ...........
On the external front, this empire dealt with Greeks, Central Asia, Europe, Arabs and Egyptians. Ambassadors came to the court at Pataliputra from Ptolenmy of Egypt and Antiochus. Ashoka added to these contacts and made India a centre of international commerce and Taxila became known as an intellectual centre. It can therefore be inferred that a high level of diplomacy, political economy, trade and international equilibrium was exercised for the order to sustain itself
And then there was The Impeachment Issue…
That was the main study of my thesis. 'Wonder that was India'. Between 7000-5000BC and also during the Maurya, Schinde (India) was the most advanced and biggest civilisation. Mathematics and biochemistry originated here. The number ZERO originated here. There was some sort of a representative local government system. Even sex was taken to its finest methods. But there is an issue here.
Most of it originated from what is now Pakistan. The civilisation began from Kabul and its traces can be found near Kabul, Peshawar, Taxila, Islamabad, Gilgit, Harrappa, Okara, Moen jo daru, Hatungu, Kipro, Mehrgarh, Dera Bughti, Hoshab, Hub and Turbat. Though much is known of Moen jo Dary and Taxila, the Nara (Sarasvati) is still obscure. Some archeologists dae Harrappa and Mehrgarh older than Moenjodaro and therefore link it to Nara.
Do you know that Egypt, Ancient Greece and Central Asia paid taxes at Taxila?
Do see two pics on my blog.
http://ijazgulpeaksandvalleys.blogspot.com/
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 12, 2008 06:52 pm
HP,krishna_abcdThat was the main study of my thesis. 'Wonder that was India'. Between 7000-5000BC and also during the Maurya, Schinde (India) was the most advanced and biggest civilisation. Mathematics and biochemistry originated here. The number ZERO originated here. There was some sort of a representative local government system. Even sex was taken to its finest methods. But there is an issue here.
Most of it originated from what is now Pakistan. The civilisation began from Kabul and its traces can be found near Kabul, Peshawar, Taxila, Islamabad, Gilgit, Harrappa, Okara, Moen jo daru, Hatungu, Kipro, Mehrgarh, Dera Bughti, Hoshab, Hub and Turbat. Though much is known of Moen jo Dary and Taxila, the Nara (Sarasvati) is still obscure. Some archeologists dae Harrappa and Mehrgarh older than Moenjodaro and therefore link it to Nara.
Do you know that Egypt, Ancient Greece and Central Asia paid taxes at Taxila?
Do see two pics on my blog.
http://ijazgulpeaksandvalleys.blogspot.com/
And then there was The Impeachment Issue…
In another post I had made three assessments.
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"1. Given the nature of conflict and proliferation of militant organizations in FATA, it is nigh possible that the conflict in so called National Interests may be escalated to a new level in Pakistan's economic hub."
MQM could be used to play this bogey. However, they have come a long way from what they were, and even Altaf Hussain's address to PMLQ could be belated. MQM having outgrown/attempting to outgrow its ethnic shadows, is most likely to remain nuetral in this final round.
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"2.In the same backdrop, USA had agreed that they hold an injured Afia Saddiqi at Baghram. Seems judges will be restored soon"
Instead of judges being restored the impeachment issue has crept up.
IN THE SAME CONTEXT, I WOULD COMMENT THAT THE ANTI MILITANT OPERATIONS IN PAKISTAN MAY INTENSIFY. IF THEY DO, ITS A FEATHER FOR THE GOVERNMENT. IF MILITANCY RISES AT ONCE, THEN SOMEONE IS FIGHTING BACK.
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 11, 2008 10:14 pm
Hp, Zeemax, Anil and Eklava,In another post I had made three assessments.
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"1. Given the nature of conflict and proliferation of militant organizations in FATA, it is nigh possible that the conflict in so called National Interests may be escalated to a new level in Pakistan's economic hub."
MQM could be used to play this bogey. However, they have come a long way from what they were, and even Altaf Hussain's address to PMLQ could be belated. MQM having outgrown/attempting to outgrow its ethnic shadows, is most likely to remain nuetral in this final round.
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"2.In the same backdrop, USA had agreed that they hold an injured Afia Saddiqi at Baghram. Seems judges will be restored soon"
Instead of judges being restored the impeachment issue has crept up.
IN THE SAME CONTEXT, I WOULD COMMENT THAT THE ANTI MILITANT OPERATIONS IN PAKISTAN MAY INTENSIFY. IF THEY DO, ITS A FEATHER FOR THE GOVERNMENT. IF MILITANCY RISES AT ONCE, THEN SOMEONE IS FIGHTING BACK.
And then there was The Impeachment Issue…
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 8, 2008 08:32 pm
There was too much at stake to dispel the present team on WOT. Before Zardari took over, many moves were played and lives lost. BB was one of them. How could they let go?
And then there was The Impeachment Issue…
In negotiations, there are two terns used. The first is called a Hobson's Choice, wherein all choices are bad and the lesser evil is to be accepted. The second is the Prisoner's Dilema in which you get punished either way. If you are released, you are killed by your enemy. If you are not, you go for the gallows. Zardari succintly manouvred NS into this.
Sometime down the line, Zardari convinced NS of the threat of 58 (2) (b)and bias of present courts, if the judges were installed immediately. For the first round of talks, he showed the soft face of PPP and kept Farooq Naik and Rehman out. Then came the cordinated pincer of the 8 judges from Sindh. Zardari to reinforce trust quickly agreed to de notify the process. Having done that, he mopped uo by convincing NS that in order to avoid the entire destabilisation, it was better to ask the President to seek a vote of trust from his electorate. Now this last move could be a convention but certainly not a constitutional procedure.
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 8, 2008 08:22 pm
Zardari with his team of crooks had done their Homework and out foxed Nawaz Sharif. They negotiated in the backdrop of a looming 56 (2) (b) threat and hostile establishment/judiciary/army supportive of the President, and did not allow the mommentum of talks to break. They kept NS engaged through niceties and the Ziddi man walked into the trap.In negotiations, there are two terns used. The first is called a Hobson's Choice, wherein all choices are bad and the lesser evil is to be accepted. The second is the Prisoner's Dilema in which you get punished either way. If you are released, you are killed by your enemy. If you are not, you go for the gallows. Zardari succintly manouvred NS into this.
Sometime down the line, Zardari convinced NS of the threat of 58 (2) (b)and bias of present courts, if the judges were installed immediately. For the first round of talks, he showed the soft face of PPP and kept Farooq Naik and Rehman out. Then came the cordinated pincer of the 8 judges from Sindh. Zardari to reinforce trust quickly agreed to de notify the process. Having done that, he mopped uo by convincing NS that in order to avoid the entire destabilisation, it was better to ask the President to seek a vote of trust from his electorate. Now this last move could be a convention but certainly not a constitutional procedure.
And then there was The Impeachment Issue…
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 8, 2008 01:23 am
Has Zardari Foxed NS?
K2, the Savage Mountain
Thanx for your comments though your gallary obscured my mountain pics within a day.
Yes I have climbed upto Thandiani and then Mirajani. Mirajani on a clear day gives a very good view all around specially Musa ka Masala near Kaghan.
Nangha Parbat is an unstable mountain and still rising. Geologically the rocks are still loose. I gave up high altitude mountaineering due to aggravation of fibrosis in my left lung, something that I suffered from as a child.
In 1987-89, I was a chosen member of Dr. Louis Attiene's expedition to both North and South Pole and a rafting down Amazon. I was then on contract with the government which refused permission, not realising what a big honour it would have been for Pakistan.
In 1988, I nearly reached the summit of Mont Blanc (Europe's Highest) but due to bad weather returned to a cable station and back to Chimonix. I wanted to reach it in four hours from the base but missed it.In any case it was not a challenge.
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 7, 2008 08:21 am
Delirium,Thanx for your comments though your gallary obscured my mountain pics within a day.
Yes I have climbed upto Thandiani and then Mirajani. Mirajani on a clear day gives a very good view all around specially Musa ka Masala near Kaghan.
Nangha Parbat is an unstable mountain and still rising. Geologically the rocks are still loose. I gave up high altitude mountaineering due to aggravation of fibrosis in my left lung, something that I suffered from as a child.
In 1987-89, I was a chosen member of Dr. Louis Attiene's expedition to both North and South Pole and a rafting down Amazon. I was then on contract with the government which refused permission, not realising what a big honour it would have been for Pakistan.
In 1988, I nearly reached the summit of Mont Blanc (Europe's Highest) but due to bad weather returned to a cable station and back to Chimonix. I wanted to reach it in four hours from the base but missed it.In any case it was not a challenge.
Aafia Siddiqui to Appear in Court
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 6, 2008 10:20 am
yea and the big ass it is attached to is Indian-Israeli Pine-Jericho System, integrated with listening posts in Kyrghizistan.
Aafia Siddiqui to Appear in Court
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 6, 2008 10:07 am
and do you know that Baitullah has electronic warfare capability. His real time surveillance capability is better than pakistan army. He uses frequency hoppers and jammers.
Aafia Siddiqui to Appear in Court
soon after, two new groups came up and started killing the first one.
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 6, 2008 10:04 am
Did you know? When local tribal militants ambushed and captured four NATO bound trailers they found Egyptian ammunition and weapons. For whome?soon after, two new groups came up and started killing the first one.
K2, the Savage Mountain
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 6, 2008 05:49 am
read my writer's page and my essay on Gashebrum 1
Fissures in the Middle
you are being kept very busy or are u keeping them busy?. I want them to switch to my article on FP. lol
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 6, 2008 05:46 am
masadi,you are being kept very busy or are u keeping them busy?. I want them to switch to my article on FP. lol
K2, the Savage Mountain
The difficulty factor of K2, surpasses any other mountain of the world. That is why it is called the Savage Mountain for those who meet tragedy and Mountain of Mountains for those who conquer it.
Let me explain each.
#7 View high above from the base camp of the Abruzzi Ridge. Note the location of camp IV. The Bottle neck is also called a spider.
#8 Abruzzi spur, the gateway to a very dangerous route ahead. Safety ends at Camp III in pic #7.
#9 The spider, bottleneck or the summit ridge. This is where there is proliferation of old fixed ropes, seracs, loose rocks and breaking ice. The recent accident on K2 happened here, and so did I survive earlier.
#10 Another view of the summit ridge. Notice the clouds gathering. This expedition lost one climber.
#11 The majestic Mountain of Mountains as viewed from Concordia.
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 6, 2008 05:33 am
As it was not possible to put picture on my article, I posted them in the Gallery but they were quicklt eclipsed. Arjun has been very kind to paste them here. These pictures have been picked from the net and are not my own. We lost most of our equipment to avalanches. Worst came when much of our equipment was swept by Baltoro River on our way back.The difficulty factor of K2, surpasses any other mountain of the world. That is why it is called the Savage Mountain for those who meet tragedy and Mountain of Mountains for those who conquer it.
Let me explain each.
#7 View high above from the base camp of the Abruzzi Ridge. Note the location of camp IV. The Bottle neck is also called a spider.
#8 Abruzzi spur, the gateway to a very dangerous route ahead. Safety ends at Camp III in pic #7.
#9 The spider, bottleneck or the summit ridge. This is where there is proliferation of old fixed ropes, seracs, loose rocks and breaking ice. The recent accident on K2 happened here, and so did I survive earlier.
#10 Another view of the summit ridge. Notice the clouds gathering. This expedition lost one climber.
#11 The majestic Mountain of Mountains as viewed from Concordia.
K2, the Savage Mountain
http://www.chowk.com/gallery/1104/32558
Posted by
ijaz_gul
Aug 6, 2008 04:46 am
These are some more pictures on the gallery.http://www.chowk.com/gallery/1104/32558
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