Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Dash,

Less popular and just causes...

Ras,

This is the finest cause there is. World must be freed of irrational superstitions that Gandhi embodied.


Masanamuthu,

Glad to see you agreeing on the issue of Khilafat movement atleast.
You should read "ironies of history: khilafat movement" by Hamza Alavi- a well known and well respected historian in both India and the West.

What I have said and what Majumdar is very clear. It is certainly not that taliban are non-violent "gandhians" or resemble Gandhi in anyway other than their distaste for progress. Nor have we said that there were no jehadis before Gandhi... However historic antecedents must be clear.

I suggest you go back to what Majumdar actually said. I stand by my conclusions in 169.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Dear Masanamuthu,

That is neither here nor there.

Indeed if you read my post 169 you would see that some of these groups had become Gandhi's frankenstein monster during his lifetime.

As a rule out of control frankenstein monsters don't distinguish between their makers and other people.

In many ways the Jurassic Park 1 2 and 3 and Richard Attenborough (the maker of Gandhi the movie) in it is a much better and more accurate movie on Gandhi's life.

Richard Attenborough's character in Jurassic Park is obvious equivalent of Gandhi.

And the Raptors and Rex etc are equivalents of Islamic and Hindu fundamentalism which Gandhi-unwittingly- spawned.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity What precisely?

We've already shown that taliban were created by the mufti mahmood faction which was the dominant group and pro congress.

You haven't even told us which jamiat e ulema are you talking about because governor is certainly not talking about Usmani's let alone establish a link.

First make up your mind or get it checked.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity No we don't. We don't know who the governor is talking about... But we certainly know he is not talking about Usmani's breakaway faction which supported the League.

The credit for Taliban goes to Mufti Mahmood and his son and his disciple ...who have an unbroken historical continuity with the Congress.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Hain how would a party which was part of Congress government in NWFP and which elected Azad to the contituent assembly be pro-pakistan and pro-ML?

I think you've lost your mind completely.

Apna ilaj karao. Only someone completely deluded will buy your lies. I know just the person waisay.

Good night.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Sadna bibi,

That was Jamiat e Ulema Hind of NWFP ... It was the deobandi party ...it got support from deobandi students and its president was Azad. I don't get how you concluded that it was for usmani's JUI which did not exist in NWFP or balochistan.

The fact that cunningham's diaries mentioned JUH sarhad and not JUI is a slap on your face.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity No ... What he is saying is that Mufti Mahmood's JUH pro congress became what is today JUI-F (and S) ...and that it was this faction that created the taliban.

The pro-pakistan JUI has dissipated into other political groups like PTI.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Sadna,

Jamiat e ulema was led by Azad. Your claim doesn't make any sense.

You can go on lying.



Masanamuthu,

I am disputing sadna's copying. She often changes words around and I have pointed it out in the past.

Either way ... even if it was true and there was this third JU(X) ... It was the pro-Congress Mufti Mahmood faction that created Taliban...whereas no one even knows of this third JU(X). My own feeling is that Cunningham might have used some of the people within the JU ... if true.

Sadna's whole angle was to prove that somehow mufti mahmood faction supported the League (you can check her posts from 170 to 230)...and she has clearly been proven a liar there.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity and I completely agree that it takes courage to challenge established points of view.

Unfortunately the authors have merely conformed to the existing "gandhi was a saint" point of view. They lack the moral courage to not conform.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Maharana,

Search NWFP history yasser latif hamdani on google. I have a five part series which will give you an alternative view on NWFP and Frontier Gandhi. It is good to know all sides of the picture.

Also search yasser latif hamdani + gandhi. You will find an alternative pov on that as well.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Sadna,

Oh I get it ... You are trying to say that Azad was actually on Muslim League's side secretly...wow now that is a bombshell.

No wonder Gandhi dismissed him as Congress president for accepting the cabinet mission plan.

Now the world makes sense...

As for your other comment ... How is "creating taliban" being affiliated with the Hindus or and not created taliban not being affiliated with Hindus.

The simple fact is that the pro-congress Ex-JUH JUI-F ended up making the taliban.

The thanvi-usmani JUI of Karachi dissipated into other political groups.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity HP,

I would imagine that Noorani's JUP would have something to do with this whole thing but isn't Noorani clan a barelvi sunni party?

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Well sadna...the pro-congress faction is responsible for the taliban. The pro-league faction has dispersed into parties like tehreek e insaaf and tehreek e istaqlal and national democratoc party.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity HP,

Precisely. Thank you.

Now that is the difference between Usmani's karachi based jamiat e ulema ...they like their counterparts in India never got a chance to practise militancy under a military regime.

It was the erstwhile pro-congress faction that was responsible for the creation of taliban. This was the faction which till 1947 had in its ranks of legislators Maulana Azad himself representing NWFP in the constituent assembly.

Sadna should stop making a fool of herself.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity HP,

Spot on except that the JUI of today was Mufti Mahmood's JUH which was till 1947 led by Azad who was also its elected representative in ICA and then PCA (which he resigned from).

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity JUI does not stand for Jamiat e ulema Hind. It stands for Jamiat e ulema Islam which did not exist in NWFP before 1949.

Pathetic. Just to cover up one lie you are coming up with a million new ones.


The president of JUH was Maulana Azad. How would that JUH be campaigning for Pakistan.


The pro-ml JUI was based in UP. Left over JUH merged with JUI in 1949 ... But the pro pakistan faction of Ehteshamul haq thanvi left in 1954.