Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Adam khan,

My friend I have been answering that question but looks like you don't want to read it. It has been the contention of the pushtun nationalists that it was the Afghan war that radicalized the tribal areas ... Isn't it? Then your question which I have answered before as well but you kindly put again in bold this time becomes rather redundant doesn't it? I mean you yourself answered it: HERE is the ANSWER you gave me yourself to your own question: Deobandis radicalized the tribal areas through American and Saudi funding and who brought Deobandis in politics? You've already admitted that Gandhi brought Deobandis into politics.


My contention has been that there is a much stronger case for historic continuity between the islamic militants of deobandi school and Gandhi's support of Deobandi fundamentalists during the independence movement then the pathetic attempt by our Indian friends who wish to find a link to TNT. So those who read history can see that clearly.

Khaled Ahmed's article is excellent because it shows that despite propaganda by people like Sadna and others, the violence in this region predates Pakistan. In a way it overturns the claims of ANP type Pushtoons that the Afghan war radicalized the tribal areas.

Re: your abuse against maharaja Ranjit Singh

I don't care if some Pushtuns think Ranjit Singh was a villain.

Ranjit Singh was one of the greatest heroes of this region. I admire him for creating a strong and largely secular state. In his armies fought Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus... Pathans, Punjabis and even English and frenchmen. I am surprised that while you champion a manipulative medievalist machiavellian fascist like Gandhi just because your Bacha Khan liked him... you want us to disown Ranjit Singh one of the finest indigenous rulers this region had and who is a model for all Pakistanis ...

As for Lord Curzon...history written by fair minded people untainted by ideology and notions of "angrez kuta hai" will give Curzon his due as one of the ablest and finest administrator to preside over British India.

You want us to champion instead the rag tag Taliban of Mullah Pawinda? Why then do you have a problem with the taliban of today if you champion Pawinda and Faqir of Ipi?

You can't argue both sides of the argument as a matter of convenience my friend.

I have humbly requested that you refrain from personal attacks my friend ... Your latest accusation of "social acceptance" sounds better from one of these crazies from across the border. You are a Pakistani who I share a desire to build a strong and prosperous federation with equal rights and guarantees for all its citizens. We might differ on history etc but we do not differ on the final destination...so I am going to ask you one more time to stop resorting to such personal attacks simply because I don't share your point of view which is completely historically inaccurate.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Yeah the hypocrisy of Gandhian "non-violence" of convenience deserves a whole article by itself.

Gandhi was a manipulative machiavellian politician with no regard for sense of justice, fair play or any scruples whatsoever.

I wonder if someone will write a Richard Dawkins type book on "Gandhi delusion" that humanity at large suffers from.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Islamic Emirate of Waziristan/pakhtoonistan ...not Afghanistan. Sorry for the error.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Sadna

An excellent article by Khaled Ahmed.


Adam khan,

Bacha Khan's favorite Fakir of Ipi would have been a proud foot soldier of Syed Ahmed ..

It is one continuous battle as the fine article that Sadna has posted ... first it was Syed Ahmed against our great Maharaja Ranjit Singh... then Mullah Pawinda and his taliban against our great Viceroy Curzon...then Bacha Khan's buddy Fakir of Ipi against the Dominion of Pakistan ...and now the Islamic militants against our Republic ...all trying establish Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan ...all supported by Deobandi strain of Islam (which Gandhi also promoted in the Khilafat movement and which he brought into mainstream of the independence movement to undercut and destroy liberal Muslims).


Now we must fight and put an end to this menace which has threatened Pakistan for the last 60 years ...and which forced even Bacha Khan's own grandson to flee "pukhtoonkhwa" and seek refuge in Islamabad the federal capital of Pakistan.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Adam khan,

Something is very wrong with you.

1. I did not 'threaten' you with a ban. I merely said that since you were resorting to abuse and personal attacks instead of arguments, I might ask the moderators to remove you. But I didn't and your posts are there and they will be there as they do the most disservice to your own argument as they are high on personal attacks and low on substance. So be honest for once.


2. Not everyone who points out the opportunistic politics of ANP is pro-Punjabi. Your inability to accept that a counterpoint may exist without it being agenda driven is clearly indicative of a narrowmindedness, a myopia even that is common to the crooks that make up ANP. Once again ANP does not equal Pushtuns many of whom are the finest people I have had the honor of knowing.

3. I am not sure how or when I said anything about Khilafat movement not weakening the Ottoman Empire. Infact I have no idea what brand of niswar you are eating (now don't start with racist racist). Mohmadzai tribe produced the leadership of ANP. That makes me more civilized than Mohmadzai...though I must say that the tribe made up for its blunder by also producing the great Fasi Zaka- Pakistan's greatest social commentator at the moment. Btw did you read Fasi Zaka's article on Gandhi's hypocrisy ... extraordinary work.


4. ZAB's blunder in 1974 ought to be criticized in the same way ...he left the door for Mullahs and Gandhians to take over the Pakistani state by putting in the state religion clause in 1973 but by bowing down to the establishment conpiracy just to save his government, ZAB literally left the door wide open for such discrimination. He sold out Pakistan to the same people who had opposed the creation of this country and Majumdar is on the dot with his criticism of ZAB.

In so far as I am concerned I have always criticized Bhutto despite being a PPP supporter. And I think Bhutto was fell victim to his own politics of takfir when the PNA (including your precious ANP wallahs) used Islam against him.


5. Your sudden love for Faqir of Ipi is aweinspiring. However you are wrong ... Faqir of Ipi was not only in bed with Jamiat-e-ulema Hind and Bacha Khan, I have documented his war cries and his jehad slogans. He had called for the death of inter alia the British, the Hindus, the Muslim League (which was considered the bastion of Qadianism by Faqir of Ipi) ...
Faqir of Ipi represented the historic continuity between Mullah Pawinda's taliban (who were subdued by Lord Curzon and were called Taliban) and Behtullah Mehsud and Mangal Bagh.

Whether you demand intercession from graves or not does not matter when you consider the ultimate nature of Faqir of Ipi's militancy... had he been alive 100 years earlier he would have been a proud general of Syed Ahmed ...today he would be fighting against the Pakistan Army and the Americans and threatening to blow up Asfandyar Wali for "selling out to the Americans" ... This is the irony of ANP's politics...today even their old comrades don't like them.

And don't fool people. A Qaumi Lashkar is a Qaumi Lashkar. The indoctrinated militants of Zia regime had nothing to do with Qaumi Lashkar that Qayyum used in Kashmir. It is the same Lashkar fighting the taliban today. Your distinction of offensive and defensive shows us that you are blissfully ignorant of your own Pushtun traditions.

It was the American and Saudi funding that brought Deobandis ie gandhi's old buddies into the heartland of the tribal belt as you will admit yourself. Now we are fighting to drive Gandhi's buddies out of NWFP.

All this makes much more sense if one considers that Ziaul Haq himself came from a family that was once in Majlis-e-Ahrar ...yeah the Islamist Party which had an electoral alliance with Gandhi till the very end of British India.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity "Punjabi v pathan"

Now this is downright ridiculous. I am more opposed to the Punjabi establishment than anyone else here ... Your inability to accept any counter argument or dissenting point of view without trying to make it a Punjabi v pathan thing is indicative of a crazed ANP mentality that is incurable.

Anyway ...like Aitzaz and Zardari I too support the renaming of NWFP to Pakhtunkhwa if the people of NWFP want it. At the very least it will take the wind out of the opportunists who didn't once raise this demand when they were in power under British rule ...

ANP does not equal the Pushtoons ...not by a long shot.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Bj,

Yawn. I don't have time for your nonsense.


Adam khan, your personal attacks and abuse notwithstanding, I responded to your ignorant claims and lies on several occasions and you did not have the decency to come up with a factual argument.

If you are man enough you will return to NWFP 5 where you resorted to personal attacks instead of counter arguments and then beat a hasty retreat as is the wont of all Gandhians and their toadies.

Btw... I didn't say that Americans and Saudis didn't fund the mullahs etc ...they did. However the ingredients were there in the time of Mullah Pawinda and his taliban (who you would be well advised to inform your masters here pre-date the independence movement). Also Faqir of Ipi is the forerunner of Behtullah Mehsud whether you like it or
not. The oft quoted example of tribal lashkar is the equivalent of the Qaumi lashkar that is hunting the taliban down ...thus that takes the wind out of any. analogies you might wanna draw with Qayyum's famous pushtun lashkar that invaded Kashmir...if you know what I mean.


I am glad you've pointed out that Deobandis not Braelvis (and remember League was supported by Braelvis) that are responsible for violence in NWFP ...you might want to point that out to jayp and bj type crooks. Now Majumdar has already pointed out that Deobandis were Gandhi's boys brought into politics by Gandhi.

Thanks for proving our point. It proves that what Majumdar is saying is on the dot.

Now coming to the issue of Faqir of Ipi's faith ... if you read NWFP-4 which is about Faqir of Ipi you will discover the close links between Jamiat-e-ulema Hind and Faqir of Ipi and the frontier Congress. So even if what you say is true, the Deobandi connection is all too apparent.

So what a verdict of history, asfandyar fleeing his own grandfather's comrades to ...not Jalalabad... not Kabul ...but Islamabad. How pathetic. Time is a great leveller.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Bj,

Yawn. I don't have time for your nonsense.


Adam khan, your personal attacks and abuse notwithstanding, I responded to your ignorant claims and lies on several occasions and you did not have the decency to come up with a factual argument.

If you are man enough you will return to NWFP 5 where you resorted to personal attacks instead of counter arguments and then beat a hasty retreat as is the wont of all Gandhians and their toadies.

Btw... I didn't say that Americans and Saudis didn't fund the mullahs etc ...they did. However the ingredients were there in the time of Mullah Pawinda and his taliban (who you would be well advised to inform your masters here pre-date the independence movement). Also Faqir of Ipi is the forerunner of Behtullah Mehsud whether you like it or
not. The oft quoted example of tribal lashkar is the equivalent of the Qaumi lashkar that is hunting the taliban down ...thus that takes the wind out of any. analogies you might wanna draw with Qayyum's famous pushtun lashkar that invaded Kashmir...if you know what I mean.


I am glad you've pointed out that Deobandis not Braelvis (and remember League was supported by Braelvis) that are responsible for violence in NWFP ...you might want to point that out to jayp and bj type crooks. Now Majumdar has already pointed out that Deobandis were Gandhi's boys brought into politics by Gandhi.

Thanks for proving our point. It proves that what Majumdar is saying is on the dot.

Now coming to the issue of Faqir of Ipi's faith ... if you read NWFP-4 which is about Faqir of Ipi you will discover the close links between Jamiat-e-ulema Hind and Faqir of Ipi and the frontier Congress. So even if what you say is true, the Deobandi connection is all too apparent.

So what a verdict of history, asfandyar fleeing his own grandfather's comrades to ...not Jalalabad... not Kabul ...but Islamabad. How pathetic. Time is a great leveller.

Reforming Religious Fundamentalists Arjun198,

Sometimes the picture on the wall is for show not the reality.

After all from what you tell me India is doing well despite having the casteist fascist on its walls and currency.

Reforming Religious Fundamentalists In order to reform religious fundamentalists, South Asia must atone for Gandhi, the subcontinent's first real terrorist and a fascist to the core, who was the worst thing to be unleashed on this subcontinent.

Half naked fakir hindu fascist bigot Gandhi is the subcontinent's original sin. The subcontinent's greatest misfortune was that Gandhi walked on it in all his ugliness on public view and it might just be our greatest fortune if none like him was to walk on this dharti again.

MQM - History and Origins Jayp,

As I conclusively proved on several occasions, the violent extremists in NWFP have an unbroken continuity to Gandhi and his favorite Mullahs not TNT.

If you wish I can post my findings here as well and show you that these fundamentalists have nothing to do with TNTists but rather Gandhi's encouragement of religious fundamentalism in South Asia.

One would hope that people like you will at some point in your pathetic lives criticize Gandhi- subcontinent's first terrorist and only fascist yep that's right the "mahatma" Gandhi.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Majumdar,

Thanks for quoting those statements from Gandhi's collected works.

It proves that Gandhi was a racist, casteist, Hindu fascist bigot and I am glad more and more people can now read history and see it for themselves.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity PS... We will not get into whose wife did what ... But we know that Gandhi the religio-fascist creep did not allow penicilin injections or malarial medicine for his wife who died. Poor Kasturba. Gandhi murdered her like Mahatma Simpson.

Ofcourse the hypocrite Mahatma Gandhi gladly accepted the same treatment for himself ...a few years later.

Gandhi was a dishonest crook, a fraud and a religio-fascist medievalist bigot. It is time humanity saw the creep for what he was.

I find it ironic that instead of defending Gandhi, losers here abuse Jinnah...as if gandi naali ka keera Gandhi could come close to honesty, integrity. Modernity and incorruptibility that was the hallmark of Jinnah.

So stop it. Defend Gandhi. Don't insult Jinnah by trying to elevate that creep Gandhi to Jinnah's level.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Btw I saw OJ Simpson practising Gandhian style of politics and going to jail.

I am guessing now we can start calling him Mahatma Simpson instead. ;)

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Yawn. BJ and Jayp will you keep repeating your lies or would you ever come up with something remotely true or factual.


The real terrorist was Gandhi- the hindu fascist, misogynist, racist and bigoted witchdoctor. and the people responsible for violence in NWFP- the Mehsuds+other Islamic militants are his followers.

There is UNBROKEN continuity between Gandhi's encouragement of deoband to this day in NWFP.

So there you have it. Pakistan must renouce gandhiism and terrorism and re-visit the fine secular ideology of its founding father.

It is time to crush witchdoctors, the gandhis, the mullahs and others once and for all in NWFP and the US is doing a great job helping us out.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity TNT was born in reaction to Gandhi's encouragement of the Mullahs.

The terrorists are ideological successors of Gandhi's favorite mullahs of deoband not TNTists.

No amount of whitewashing of history will break the continuity between Gandhi and the extremists in NWFP.

Eklavya,

I have written a five part series on Bacha Khan, his family and their insidious role in creating Islamist insurgency in form of Fakir of Ipi ...search it on PakTeahouse.wordpress.com.

I think it is an appropriate verdict of history that the "great" leader of Pushtuns Asfandyar Wali Khan had to escape on a helicopter and seek refuge in Islamabad- the federal capital of Pakistan- to save his life.

What Bacha Khan started with Fakir of Ipi on the prodding of the Afghan govt in 1947 has come to haunt his grandson.