Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Sadna bibi,

That was Jamiat e Ulema Hind of NWFP ... It was the deobandi party ...it got support from deobandi students and its president was Azad. I don't get how you concluded that it was for usmani's JUI which did not exist in NWFP or balochistan.

The fact that cunningham's diaries mentioned JUH sarhad and not JUI is a slap on your face.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity No ... What he is saying is that Mufti Mahmood's JUH pro congress became what is today JUI-F (and S) ...and that it was this faction that created the taliban.

The pro-pakistan JUI has dissipated into other political groups like PTI.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Sadna,

Jamiat e ulema was led by Azad. Your claim doesn't make any sense.

You can go on lying.



Masanamuthu,

I am disputing sadna's copying. She often changes words around and I have pointed it out in the past.

Either way ... even if it was true and there was this third JU(X) ... It was the pro-Congress Mufti Mahmood faction that created Taliban...whereas no one even knows of this third JU(X). My own feeling is that Cunningham might have used some of the people within the JU ... if true.

Sadna's whole angle was to prove that somehow mufti mahmood faction supported the League (you can check her posts from 170 to 230)...and she has clearly been proven a liar there.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity and I completely agree that it takes courage to challenge established points of view.

Unfortunately the authors have merely conformed to the existing "gandhi was a saint" point of view. They lack the moral courage to not conform.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Maharana,

Search NWFP history yasser latif hamdani on google. I have a five part series which will give you an alternative view on NWFP and Frontier Gandhi. It is good to know all sides of the picture.

Also search yasser latif hamdani + gandhi. You will find an alternative pov on that as well.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Sadna,

Oh I get it ... You are trying to say that Azad was actually on Muslim League's side secretly...wow now that is a bombshell.

No wonder Gandhi dismissed him as Congress president for accepting the cabinet mission plan.

Now the world makes sense...

As for your other comment ... How is "creating taliban" being affiliated with the Hindus or and not created taliban not being affiliated with Hindus.

The simple fact is that the pro-congress Ex-JUH JUI-F ended up making the taliban.

The thanvi-usmani JUI of Karachi dissipated into other political groups.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity HP,

I would imagine that Noorani's JUP would have something to do with this whole thing but isn't Noorani clan a barelvi sunni party?

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Well sadna...the pro-congress faction is responsible for the taliban. The pro-league faction has dispersed into parties like tehreek e insaaf and tehreek e istaqlal and national democratoc party.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity HP,

Precisely. Thank you.

Now that is the difference between Usmani's karachi based jamiat e ulema ...they like their counterparts in India never got a chance to practise militancy under a military regime.

It was the erstwhile pro-congress faction that was responsible for the creation of taliban. This was the faction which till 1947 had in its ranks of legislators Maulana Azad himself representing NWFP in the constituent assembly.

Sadna should stop making a fool of herself.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity HP,

Spot on except that the JUI of today was Mufti Mahmood's JUH which was till 1947 led by Azad who was also its elected representative in ICA and then PCA (which he resigned from).

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity JUI does not stand for Jamiat e ulema Hind. It stands for Jamiat e ulema Islam which did not exist in NWFP before 1949.

Pathetic. Just to cover up one lie you are coming up with a million new ones.


The president of JUH was Maulana Azad. How would that JUH be campaigning for Pakistan.


The pro-ml JUI was based in UP. Left over JUH merged with JUI in 1949 ... But the pro pakistan faction of Ehteshamul haq thanvi left in 1954.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity
Sadna,

Where is JUI mentioned? Your entire point was about JUI ...and now it turns out that Cunningham doesn't even mention JUI ...

The point remains that Azad was the president of Jamiat e ulema in NWFP.

And shabbir ahmed usmani's JUI was no where near NWFP ...definitely not in 1942.

The League did break a few mullahs ...did they call themselves Jamiat e ulema sarhad I don't think so. But Sadna's entire nautanki revolved around Congress not being responsible for Jamiat e Ulema despite the fact that Jamiat e ulema's president was Azad.

How is that possible.

If this is vowel parsing that you are not very lit up.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity No where does Cunningham say JUI.

This repost is obviously based on your inability to read. If you go and read it again you will see that you are wrong.

The President of Jamiat e Ulema was Maulana Azad. Jamiat e Ulema elected Azad to the constituent assembly in 1946.

How can Jamiat e Ulema be involved in propaganda against the Congress if its leader is himself a leading Congressite?
Your evidence actually shows that the British govt was using the Congress and Faqir of Ipi both or atleast had links with them through Jamiat e ulema.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Sadna you have no clue what you are discussing. You keep jumping and claiming something new and contradictory to your own earlier stance.

We were discussing exactly that ...when you claimed that jamiat e ulema supported the league from 1945-1947... And your lie was caught ...it turns out that jamiat e ulema was led by Azad at the time and had elected Azad to the constituent assembly in 1945-194f elections.

Just admit it. You took a risk and lied. Then you tried to claim that Cunningham spoke of JUI... Then it turned out that poor guy never mentioned JUI which wasn't even present in NWFP.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Sadna

There was no JUI in NWFP before 1949. After 1949 the same Jamiat e ulema Hind changed its name to JUI and merged with Karachi-based usmani faction of JUI.

there was only one Jamiat e Ulema Hind that was supported by the Congres and was led by Azad.

League might have managed to break a few mullahs but there was no organized group as such called JUI which supported ML before partition in NWFP.

You are confusing the Jamiat e ulema with Jamiat e ulema islam which had no presence in NWFP.

Unless you understand the difference, your entire point is ignorant and worthless.


Muslim League couldn't possibly use a party whose president till 1947 was Azad and which elected him to the constituent assembly from NWFP.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity 1. George Cunningham's diaries don't talk of a JUI but the Jamiat e ulema meaning Jamiat e ulema hind and it talks of specific leaders who broke away. If you could show me where Cunningham uses "JUI" I will accept your view.

2. As I pointed out ...there was no JUI in NWFP till 1949 ... Shabbir Ahmed Usmani's breakaway faction was based in Karachi.


I still wonder how Jamiat e ulema whose president was Azad ...somehow pro-league.