Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Btw I still don't get how Jinnah and British are responsible for a party whose President till 1947 was Azad and whose main representative to the constituent assembly was Azad from NWFP ...

There was only one Jamiat e ulema in NWFP till 1949 and it was led by Azad till partition. It was anti-muslim league and pro-congress.

This is a fact.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Sadna,

Tsk tsk...

Little knowledge is dangerous.
There was no JUI in NWFP till 1949 when the remnants of JUH joined up with Usmani's smaller faction of JUI which was based in Karachi. It this this faction that split in 1954.

The Jamiat e Ulema in the NWFP who were broken by the League were NOT called JUI. They were Jamiat e Ulema Hind leaders who defected from Jamiat e Ulema Hind. Jamiat e Ulema Hind remained an ally of the Congress...

So if you were to say that some ex-JUH mullahs were used by the League it would be true but your statement that JUI was used against the KK is just blatantly wrong.

You are restating the same lie in new inventive ways when you know that Maulana Azad was the President of Jamiat e Ulema and Jamiat e Ulema as a group was firmly allied to the Congress every where including the Frontier where Maulana Azad won a seat from Jamiat e Ulema seat.


So your repetitive control freakery with "used JUI" is a lie for the only Jamiat e Ulema was JUH and the Congress used the JUH against the Muslim League.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Yawn... These are all claims which don't stand the test of history.

The very fact that you Indians have to resort to abuse against Jinnah, is indicative of an inability to defend the racist casteist Hindu fascist fraud that Gandhi was on his own merit.

The world suffers from many delusions ... At one time everyone on the planet believed earth was flat and people like you abused people who said otherwise. Around 90 percent of the world believes in a god for which there is no rational evidence ... Prophets, sons of god, people walking on water, divine revelation, magical thinking, penis gods, reincarnation, afterlife etc etc are common delusions.

Slowly but surely all delusions are done away with. So will be the case with that fraud you call Gandhi.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity I am not even going to go into the utter inaccuracy of that claim.

All I am going to say is why can't Gandhi be defended on grounds of what he did...

Gandhi brought the Mullahs into politics to undercut the liberal Muslim leadership like Jinnah because Jinnah asked for a piece of pie for his community whereas Mullahs were content with merely making muslims more backward and hence it suited Gandhi's grand plan just perfectly when his biggest mullah supporter maulana azad gave the fatwa that India had become darul harb and that it was the duty to every Muslim to move to Afghanistan.

As patwardhan (read post 169) gandhi deliberately released the forces of superstition to control the muslims through reactionary mullahs.

Look around Gandhi...there wasn't a single seriousminded successful Muslim around him. Azad was a religious scholar ... Bacha Khan a Pushtun sardar ... No sight of bourgeosie, modern muslims like Jinnah etc.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Once again ... Sadna you are merely tip toeing around the fact that you were caught lying about Jamiat e ulema hind which elected Azad from NWFP and whose President was Azad even in 1948.

No one denied that a small breakaway faction of Jamiat e Ulema Hind called Jamiat e ulema islam existed pre-partition. It is not the same as JUI-F which consists of erstwhile Jamiat e Ulema Hind.

No Thanvis or Usmanis fathered the taliban. Infact Ehteramul Haq thanvi is a member of PTI today...

Mufti Mahmood and his son Maulana Fazlu rahman did more to establish the Deobandi religious fascism in NWFP than anyone else and it is Fazlur rahman who is called "the father of the taliban" ...Mufti Mahmood was Congress' man. Madani was his leader and Madani's sons respect him and Fazloo like their own. All these people - including the breakaway faction under thanvis and usmani- but especially pro-Congress Mufti Mahmood types were the bequeath of Gandhi and the Congress party which made them a factor. Read post 169 and weep.

No doubt the League broke some Mullahs ... Why should Congress alone use them but for the real ideologues remained firmly in the Congress camp. And it was these ideologues and the Majls e Ahrar e Islam (another staunch Congress ally) and its mullah ata ullah shah bokhari (mufti mahmood's equivalent in Punjab) Shorish Kashmiri and Allama inayatullah mashriqi. Who provided ideological background for the kind of Islamism that has plagued both india and Pakistan but which got armed to the teeth under general Zia (whose family was active in Majlis e Ahrar the ally of the Congress once again).

It was Gandhi who brought this into politics, who encouraged Azad and others to make jamiat e ulema hind and who brought Mullahs to the forefront of politics.

And Jamiat e ulema hind remained committed to Congress. Even the ill-fated six month long alliance between jamiat e ulema hind and ML in 1937 was according to Azad because JUH thought the League would support the Congress after elections (read page 170 of India wins freedom).

So no matter how you look at it:

1: a great majority of deobandi islamists supported Gandhi and opposed Jinnah. Only a very small minority supported Jinnah.

2. Gandhi was their saviour, their enabler, their grand daddy because he made them a factor in Indian politics.

3. The main ideological support for taliban came from people like Fazlurrahman who owed his entire rise to Gandhi and the Congress' encouragement of JUH and who remained opposed to Pakistan and the Muslim League.


These are the facts.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity PS to 265:

Not only is it clear that Mufti Mahmood remained ideologically aligned with the Congress,
It is clear that it was 1954 that the pro-ML elements in the JUI were overpowered and JUH remnants took control of it.


Arjunm,

I am merely interested in setting the record straight.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Mufti Mehmood's Career

1942

* The 'Leave India Campaign' targeting the British was started. Mufti Mahmood took part in the campaign on behalf of Jamiat ul Ulema Hind. He was not only elected as Member of Majlis e Amila of Jamiat ul Ulema Hind NWFP but also as Councillor of All India Jamiat ul Ulema Hind.

1943

* President of Jamiat ul Ulema Hind Sheikh ul Islam Maulana Hussein Ahmad Madni toured NWFP and Mufti Mahmood accompanied him during the tours.

1946

* All India Jamiat ul Ulema Hind conducted a historical conference at Saharanpur where Mufti Mahmood participated as representative of NWFP. He also stood for elections in India the same year and made Abdul Khel his permanent home.

1949

* Participated in the Jamiat ul Ulema Islam Central Convention at Multan.

1950

* Appointed for teaching job in Madrassa Qasim ul Uloom in Multan. Later on, he also served at positions of chief Mudaras, In charge of Education, Chief Mufti, Sheikh ul Hadith, and Muhtamim. As a Mufti, he passed on at least 25,000 Fatawas.

1953

* Participated in the Tehreek e Khatm e Naboowat and was arrested.

1954

* Leadership structure of Jamiat ul Ulema Islam was re-organized. Maulana Ihtesham ul Haq Thanvi separated from the party.

1956

* In October, he was elected as vice-president of Jamiat ul Ulema Islam Pakistan in the Multan Convention.
* Struggled against the One-Unit of Pakistan. He was arrested because of his demands for provincial autonomy and civil liberties.
* Heavily criticized the constitution and demanded amendments to it.

1958

* Ayub Khan declared Martial Law as a result of which all political parties were banned including that of Jamiat ul Ulema Islam
* Deeni Madaris throughout Pakistan decided to have a uniform syllabus for which Wifaq ul Madaris ul Islamia was established. Mufti Mahmood was elected as its first Secretary General.

1962

* In April, he stood for elections for the National Assembly Seat for the first time despite Ayub Khan's invoking of the Basic Democracy Program and defeated all opponents
* On 14th July, when law was passed to re-instate all the Political Parties, Mufti Mahmood took charge of Jamiat Ulema Islam as Qaim Maqam Ameer

1963

* Toured East Pakistan in January and reinforced the position of Jamiat Ulema Islam there as well.
* In March, he advocated against Family Planning policy making of the government in the National Assembly and started a massive campaign against it on national level.
* The Central Meeting of Jamiat Ulema Islam was held in Lahore on 28 October. Hazrat Maulana Abdullah Darkhwasti was appointed as Ameer, and Mufti Mahmood was appointed Naib Ameer.

1964

* In January, on the celebration of Al Azhar University Cairo's 1000 years, President Jamal Abdul Nasir invited Maulana Muhammad Yusuf Binori, Maulana Ghulam Ghaus Hazarvi, Maulana Taj ul Islam, and Maulana Mufti Mahmood to Egypt.
* A bill was proposed in Parliament for Islamic Amendments in the Constitution but due to the negative traits of the opposition and coalition parties, it was not seen through.

1965

* In May, Mufti Mahmood gave a talk at "Majlis Al Jaus Al Islamia" in Egypt and was widely appreciated by visiting scholars from throughout the world.

1966

* In January, The Tashkent Treaty was deeply criticized because of its secretive nature and that the nation was not aware of its salient points.
* A campaign was started against the anti-Islam teachings of the "Tehqeeqat e Islam" and its director Dr. Fazl ur Rahman

1967

* The Tehqeeqat e Islam issued a Fatwa which made it 'Halal' to eat meat which was slaughtered via the western method (i.e. Machine) to which Mufti Mahmood's started a campaign. With reasons from the Quran and Sunnah, he proved them wrong. Mufti e Azam Maulana Muhammad Shafi had given the approval of the Fatwa but after Mufti Mahmood's indulgence into the matter, it was taken back.
* In June, Israel attacked Egypt. Mufti Mahmood and his party voiced their support for Egypt and started a boycott of Israeli products.

1968

* In February, the International Islamic Conference was held in Rawalpindi in which Dr. Fazl ur Rahman, Janab Masood, and Jafar Shah submitted their highly erroneous and non-traditional research work in Islam. Mufti Mahmood vehemently opposed them and proved their research wrong with counter arguments. Visiting dignitaries and scholars from around the world highly appreciated Mufti Mahmood for his efforts.
* On 8 January, the Pakistan's political parties formed a coalition of "Jamhoori Majlis e Amal" in Dhaka and Mufti Mahmood was one of the Central Leadership of this party.

1969

* On 10 March, The Jamhoori Majlis e Amal and the Ayub Khan Regime held a round table conference in which Mufti Mahmood put forward his 22 points on behalf of all religious parties of Pakistan.

1970

* In May, Pakistan's 18 Religious and Political Parties formed a "Muttahida Deeni Mahaz" and Mufti Mahmood was appointed its President.
* In December, Elections were held and Mufti Mahmood had a landslide victory over Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto in the Dera Ismail Khan constituency.

1971

* On 3rd March, the parliamentary group of the minority parties held a session at Lahore instead of the Parliament house because the Muslim League and the Peoples Party were in direct conflict with each other as a result of which the political scene was very unstable. The minority parties held this separate session to show their non-involvement in the affairs of the major parties. This was the last step to save the country from disintegration. Mufti Mahmood presided the session.
* In July, Mufti Mahmood toured the Middle East and was accompanied by Maulana Ghulam Ghaus Hazarvi Rahmatullah Alaihe
* In 4 December, an Ijtima was held in Lahore in which millions participated in retaliation for India's attack on Pakistan. Mufti Mahmood issued a Fatwa for Jehad on this occasion.
* On 24 December, a commission was formed to investigate the facts behind the fall of Dhaka. Mufti Mahmood voiced his opinion which was compiled under the supervision of Justice Hamood ur Rahman.
* Bhutto offered Mufti Mahmood minister ship in the centre but he did not accept it and instead demanded the approval of Islamic Laws by the Government.

1972

* On 26 March, the three main political parties of the country entered a coalition. The agreement was signed between Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto from Peoples Party, Abdul Wali Khan from National Awami Party, and Mufti Mahmood from Jamiat e Ulema Islam.
* On 1 May, Mufti Mahmood took oath as Chief Minister of the NWFP and on this occasion took the following steps:
o Forbidding Alcohol
o Urdu as Official Language in Government Circles
o Forbidding Western Dresses (Pants) in Government Departments
o Jahaiz Act
o Ban on Betting
o Educational Reforms (Quranic Knowledge a pre-requisite for admission in educational institutions)
o Enforcing Pardah
o Respect for Ramazan Ordinance
o Ban on Interest
o Friday as Holiday
o and formation of a Board for formalizing Islamic Laws

1973

* In February, a botched attempt was made to assassinate Mufti Mahmood.
* On 15 February, Mufti Mahmood resigned from chief minister position as protest for the unfair dismissal of the Balochistan Government.
* From 15 February to 21 February, the Government offered various incentives to Mufti Mahmood to lure him to take back his decision but he refused.
* In February, many political parties in Pakistan formed a coalition of the "Muttahida Jamhoori Mahaz" for which Mufti Mahmood was appointed as Vice-President.
* In August, a civil disobedience movement was started against the negative attitude of the government. Mufti Mahmood played a central role in it.

1974

* In April, Mufti Mahmood addressed a grand gathering of Jamiat Tuleba Islam at Karachi University.
* In May, Mufti Mahmood played a central role in the Tehreek Khatm e Naboowat along with Maulana Yusuf Binori.
* On 30 June, 137 members of the National Assembly proposed a resolution demanding the Qadianis as Kafirs and Mufti Mahmood's name was at the top of the list.
* On 1st July, the National Assembly approved the resolution for debate in the assembly. The Leader of the Qadianis, Mirza Nasir made an unprovoked aggressive attack on Mufti Mahmood in parliament as a result of which the rest of the members of the assembly came to know the real nature of the Qadianis.
* On 22 August, a sub-committee of the National Assembly was formed in which Maulana Mufti Mahmood, Professor Abdul Ghafoor, Maulana Shah Ahmad Noorani, Chaudhry Zahoor Elahi, Ghulam Farooq, Sardar Maula Bakhsh Soomro, and Abdul Hafiz Pirzada played a part. The committee formalized a report by the 5th of September and as a result the final nail in the coffin was put on the 7 of December, in which Qadianis were termed a non-Muslim minority and the issue was resolved.

1975

* On 22 April, an assassination attempt was made on Mufti Mahmood in Sajawal in District Thattha, in Sindh.

1976

* In February, A bomb blast in Peshawar University resulted in the death of Hayat Muhammad Sherpao. Abdul Wali Khan was arrested and Mufti Mahmood was appointed as the Opposition Leader in the National Assembly.

1977

* On 11 January, All Political and National parties in Pakistan formed a coalition and appointed Mufti Mahmood as the leader of this coalition.
* On 7 March, Mufti Mahmood contested elections from Dera Ismail Khan constituency and won with a good margin. But due to large scale irregularities in the elections, Mufti Mahmood laid a crucial role in protests that erupted throughout the country.
* On 10 March, the provincial elections were boycotted and a protest campaign was started while acting as president of Pakistan Qaumi Ittehad
* Mufti Mahmood fell ill during the Tehreek Nizam e Mustapha. He was injured as well and despite his ill-health, he played a leading role and toured the length and breadth of Pakistan in his campaigns.
* According to the Defence of Pakistan Rules, Mufti Mahmood was arrested in Lahore. He was first held in Rawalpindi Jail and then shifted to Haripur Jail.
* On 13 March, Mufti Mahmood started negotiations with Prime Minister Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto. He was representing the Pakistan Qaumi Ittehad.
* On 29 June, the Pakistan Qaumi Ittehad presented a set of demands to the Prime Minister
* On 1st of July, on Friday, and on 2nd of July, the negotiations with the government continued all night. Mufti Mahmood announced that unless a decision was reached, they will continue talks continuously.
* On 3 July, the Pakistan Qaumi Ittehad met the Prime Minister's team for the final meeting.
* On 5 July, General Muhammad Zia ul Haq enforced Martial Law in the country. Maulana Mufti Mahmood was arrested again.

1978

* Mufti Mahmood collaborated with the Government for enforcing Nizam e Mustapha. But later on, after sensing that the Military Regime was trying to impose themselves on the nation in pretext of Islamic Law, Mufti Mahmood criticized the army approach.

1979

* Afghanistan was attacked by Russians. Mufti Mahmood issued Fatwa for Jehad against the Russians and the puppet regime in Afghanistan. A military campaign was started for the Jehad which is still in existence after the eviction of the Russians in the form of the Taleban movement.

1980

* Issued vote of confidence in General Zia ul Haq's Islamization reforms and issued a Fatwa against the collection of Zakat Tax by the Government. He also established the MRD in the same year.
* On 13 October, Mufti Mahmood prepared for Hajj and arrived at Karachi.
* On 14 October, He was addressing Ulema Karam and various Mufti e Azams in Jamiat ul Uloom al Islamia Binori Town when all of a sudden his soul departed and like this instead of going to Allah's house in Makka, he went to meet Allah himself.
* On 15 October, his body was transferred from Karachi to Multan, and then via plane to Dera Ismail Khan where he was buried i

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Majumdar,

I have sent you a time line of mufti mahmood's life - second email.

It shows that he remained a congressite supporter to the end ...

It also shows that he merged with JUI in 1949 and that in 1956 the pro-ML faction left the JUI leaving behind JUH remnants in charge of the new JUI.

Kindly post the timeline here and on unplugged on my behalf as "Life of Mufti Mahmood Congress ally and JUH and JUI-
F leader".

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity No sadna ... Our contention is that JUI-F of today is the historic JUH of NWFP of which Azad was national president and elected representative.

The rest is your twisting and turning and nothing else.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Majumdar,

Even Adam Khan admits that Mufti Mahmood was a staunch Congress ally.

JUH elected Azad to the constituent assembly from NWFP

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Sadna,

So are you denying that Mufti Mahmood was part of Azad led Jamiat e ulema Hind in 1947?

Those preaching hatred against the Americans and those responsible for the taliban are from Azad led JUH.

The "JUI" you are talking about is no where today ... The JUI-F is the historical JUH.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity Majumdar

I can access chowk on only blackberry. May you would be kind enough to do so.

As for sadna ...I think what happened here today proves yet again that she is a crook and liar without parallel.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity And you know who else was a leading member of Jamiat e ulema Hind in NWFP...

Maulana Abul al Kalam Azad !

He was the president of JUH in and an elected representative of the Party in 1947 from NWFP ...that's right.

Now if this JUH (JUI-F of today) was somehow pro pakistan in 1947 what was it doing electing Azad ?


The reason why they dropped Hind and adopted islam in 1948 was because it was no longer part of Hindustan.

Yet another faction became Jamiat e ulema pakistan as well.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity
Sadna

Are you just acting dumb or are you really this stupid?

Why don't you tell us the details of Khan sb ministry ... Was JUH not part of Khan ministry?

You keep saying JUI, but could you name one famous leader from this JUI?



Majumdar,

It was not even about hijacking. Mufti Mahmood's faction of JUI (ex JUH) was always against Pakistan and was the largest political party after Congress and the league.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity JUH NWFP was Pro congress, pro gandhi, pro kK and part of the NWFP govt.

If I am not mistaken Azad the congress president ran on a JUH ticket in the election from NWFP.

Pre-partition NWFP JUI was then merely breakaway fraction of a few mullahs who are not even known today.

Living Gandhi and King Today: Unbroken Historic Continuity
Majumdar,

I am talking about JUH. The JUH of Mufti Mahmood ...which was the largest Jamiat e ulema group in NWFP and which joined JUI after partition.

Naturally Mufti Mahmood's JUH elements dominated the JUI... And the JUI-F is the exact replica of JUH NWFP which was part of the Frontier Congress goverbment.

Sadna is a crook who is inventing her own history when she knows what I am talking about exactly.

She will continue to lie no matter what one says.