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جناب یورز ٹرولی صاحب.- ...
..بعد از سلام عرض ہے کہ کاآًنات اپنے محور پر بخوبی رقصاں ہے.

Khuda Ke Liye Urstruly:
" Yaar laut aaeN-gey, Ghum naa kar, Ghum naa kar
Din nikal aaey-Gaa, GhUm naa kar, GhUm naa kar"."

"Muulk-e Khuuda tUNG naist, Paaey gUddaa lUNG naist"

tr:
God's country has no frontiers, and the legs of the Faqueer are not wobbly

Khuda Ke Liye The very fact that the Oooons are aaahing and Ooooing over it
is a clear giveaway that it is there to promote the Secularoon agenda..

This at a time when the Kuttaa-Paak is in the throes of death and gasping his last breaths.

The anglo-enamoured are still wiggling their arses when The United Satans are arranging the deals so that MUSLIMS do not become the rulers in the ISLAMIC Pakistan.

But there is still hope..as long as Kanjar is still considered a Gaali..and not worn as a sign of maaader-nateness & enlightenment.

Khuda Ke Liye 90:
Probably because there is NO evidence of such an outrageous figure really
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"Iss saadgee pai kaun naa mUr jaaeY, ai khudaa!
LarRtay haiN aur haath meiN talvaar bhhee naheeN"

A poor bangle-man ( choorRee valaa) with his wares tied to his back in a poatlee, was going along happily..

A Uniformed & corrupt Musharraf striking a dandaa on the burden on the bangleman's back shrieked" what is it you are stealing in this?"
and the ChoorRee valaa said:
" Sarkaar!Used to be bangles..Now there is only broken glass

"SheeshoaN kaa maseehaa koee naheeN"!.

Zeemax:
The english newspapers are written for faariners. The Kanjaroons want to paint an image of Pakistan as a non-muslims state..They try their best but these damn maulanaas ruin the carefully constructed KanjarR image
("Look! We drink, we have gymkhanass, we lie on the beach, we show skin, we have fashion-parades, we even dare to date NOW..AREN'T WE STILL NOT TOTALLY FCUKED GORAY-ABAA?..PLEASE VISIT AMMMAN SOON")

Salam, Science and Secularism اپ کا بھت شکریہ کھ آپ نے یھ کام کیا...بس اب اردو مین ٹا-پ کرنے کی عادت پڑ جا ے گی

Khuda Ke Liye Urstruly:
CHOWK is fine, only some gestating glitches in their baitaa-CPU. Have some heart.

Militarily Troubled Pakistan and Terribly Administered Tribals Salim:
and I wholeheartedly concur..credit must be given where credit is due.
Ata-Turk deserves to be called Ata-turk...

but we are in the muzzle by this kaala Kutta-Paak.

Just imagine the Kutaa-Paak instead of emulating Jinnah.. a no less towering figure of the 20th century than Ata-Turk but simply because of the Kalaa-kuttaa hating even the mention of Islam has a deep-rooted hatred for Jinnah.

May the Kaala-kttaa die..what else, a dog's death..Aaaameen.

Khuda Ke Liye from another board..belongs here as well!


dawa-i-dil:117

..."its seems from your reply that..this forum has many secular modernist...type people..is this true..."

Please use the word KANJAROON..and if you want to be PC then Ooons would suffice. This word should become a googled word & every site must learn to use it. This is the way to monitor our success.

We are not here to explain or educate anyone. That is for the ones suffering from Intellectualitis..their "Education" is to become JOBBERS, apologists to the goraa maashters..

" Look goray-abbaa, no hands ...& no brains either!"..
" Don't we now almost look walk & talk like you goray-abbaa?"
" If we look like we're fcuked walk,like we're fcuked, talk like we're fcked, then are you still saying goray-abba that we're not yet fcuked?"

"KHUDAA KAY LIYAY: FOR GOD's SAKE COME BACK! in Faiz's words AmmaaN akailee jaag raheeN haiN..(Mother is lonely, Awake all night)

Militarily Troubled Pakistan and Terribly Administered Tribals dawa-i-dil:117

..."its seems from your reply that..this forum has many secular modernist...type people..is this true..."

Please use the word KANJAROON..and if you want to be PC then Ooons would suffice. This word should become a googled word & every site must learn to use it. This is the way to monitor our success.

We are not here to explain or educate anyone. That is for the ones suffering from Intellectualitis..their "Education" is to become JOBBERS, apologists to the goraa maashters..

" Look goray-abbaa, no hands ...& no brains either!"..
" Don't we now almost look walk & talk like you goray-abbaa?"
" If we look like we're fcuked walk,like we're fcuked, talk like we're fcked, then are you still saying goray-abba that we're not yet fcuked?"

"KHUDAA KAY LIYAY: FOR GOD's SAKE COME BACK! in Faiz's words AmmaaN akailee jaag raheeN haiN..(Mother is lonely, Awake all night)

Salam, Science and Secularism For the glory of Allah
Jul 5th 2007
From The Economist print editionThe early followers of the Prophet owed their astounding success in spreading the faith to intelligence and restraint as well as to zeal
The Khalili Family Trust


AN AGGRESSIVE Bedouin horde, drunk on religion, sweeps out of the Arabian peninsula—on the way burning the great library of Alexandria—and, through wholesale massacre and forced conversion, imposes Islam on a vast area stretching from Spain to the fringes of China. If this is your mental picture of the rise of Islam, dimly remembered from some long-ago history lesson, take note: it is in almost every respect wrong.

Hugh Kennedy sets out to explain an historical puzzle. How could Arab forces, relatively small in number and with no particular superiority in weaponry, have pulled off such an apparently impossible feat? In the century that followed the death of the Prophet in 632, they challenged two established empires (the Byzantine and Sasanian). They conquered Syria in eight years, Iraq in seven, Egypt in a mere two and Spain and Portugal in five. At the same time, they pushed deep into Central Asia and the Indian subcontinent. How did they do it? Why did they not meet stronger and more sustained resistance? And, no less of a mystery, how did the empire they created endure?
By painstakingly reconstructing the series of Arab conquests, Mr Kennedy paints a picture strikingly at odds with the popular clichés. “The Muslim conquests”, he writes, “were far from being the outpouring of an unruly horde of nomads.” The Bedouin of Arabia were tough and highly mobile, fired by tribal honour and love of booty as well as by zeal for Islam. They were led by intelligent men from the Meccan elite who knew they had to channel the “frenetic military energies of the Bedouin” outwards, or else face a real risk of implosion.

These leaders also seem to have grasped that to have based their conquests on mass killings and conversion by the sword would have been a fatal mistake. There were massacres, but they were not the norm. If conquered peoples paid tribute and did not make trouble, they were largely left alone.

Local people were incorporated into the new administrative class. Existing religions—Christianity in Syria and Egypt, Zoroastrianism in Persian-ruled areas, Hinduism and Buddhism farther east—were not persecuted. Large-scale conversions came much later; at the time there was little or no pressure on the conquered people to convert. As for the sack of the Alexandrian library, that, says Mr Kennedy, is a discredited myth.

The Arabs were also lucky in their timing. Mr Kennedy speculates that, had they got going a generation earlier, success would probably have eluded them. As it was, disarray within the Byzantine and Sasanian empires helps to explain why the Arabs met little serious resistance there.

But this was not everywhere the case. The early Muslim armies met their fiercest opposition from the Turks of Central Asia. And, on the other side of their empire, they conquered the Berbers of North Africa but alienated them through the brutalities of the slave trade, which sparked the great Berber rebellion of 741.

Mr Kennedy tells a remarkable tale with skill and authority. Perhaps occasionally he is too much the conscientious professional historian. The general reader must get used to constant cautions (“As usual the actual course of the campaign is confused”). But there is an important point here. The historical sources are confused and contradictory, sometimes written long after the events they describe.

Besides, as so often, history is written by the victors. Arab accounts are full of self-serving bravado, eulogising the virtues of the simple, egalitarian Bedouin in contrast to their elitist and effeminate Persian foes. Mr Kennedy uses Arabic sources, but critically, and tries to balance them by giving voice to the conquered.

The book's subtitle (“How the Spread of Islam Changed the World We Live In”) is not directly addressed. Perhaps Mr Kennedy and his publisher thought its truth to be self-evident. The Arab conquests dramatically transformed the world in which they took place. But for today the lesson is different. It is the loss of that early power that torments Muslim hearts and minds, producing anger, humiliation—and eventually the vengeance of al-Qaeda.

Militarily Troubled Pakistan and Terribly Administered Tribals DAWA-i-DIL!

Nice to see addition of a MUSLIM member here to counter the Kanjaroons ( Kanjaroon is a generic word for: SEcularoon, liberaloon, munafiquoon, murtadoon, mushrikoon, and any other Ooons & Poons)..sometimes written in short as only Oooons ( 3/4 O's).

WELCOME & may our Ummah increase on CHOWK.

The Corporation That Changed The World HP:
It is NOT a translation ..Of course it quotes the sources of the statistics..many from the revenue agencies. The record keeping was so thorough in the pre-British times that even some of the papers during the mayhem of 1857 are still there.
This, in spite of the fact, that the Britto Baboons set all the Libraries and Office-records of the Mughals in Dilli were set-afire & destroyed. Only the Khudaa Bux Library was in Tonk could be saved by moving it to Patna..where even this library alone is proving of immense value today.

MAULANA Bari was RED..the reddest you can ever imagine ( happy?). He was a MAULANA like Hasrat Mohani ( first President of the Communist Party)..He was a MALULANA like Ubaidullah Sindhi..a convert muslim..a communist to the core..friend of Lenin..part of new Russia..

All of them were FUNDAMENTALIST muslims as well. MJinnah had only TWO friends; Maulana Hasrat Mohani & Bahadur Yaar Jung. He was at ease in their company would drop his stern demeanor.

So please don't roil the waters by uttering inanities like:
"have not only read that book but many other on the subject including by some really serious people. I am not sure Bari Alig was a Maulanabut the Book was a translation of a book by some RED author"

Dilli ki ikk Shaam originally published in english at Oxford as Twilight in Dehli by Ahmad Ali. The very first piece of acclaimed "english" literature when Rushdick was not even a spermatozoa in his father's dick.

and the barb is always directed at the general situation in Pakistan..it has NOTHING whatever to do with the scholarship of those who are NOT BaBaBlacksheep.

Khuda Ke Liye I will wait to hear the reaction from those who are not secularoon & do not eschew or espouse secularoonism.

Masood Ash'ar of Jang has also praised this movie in the same laudatory hyperbole..and his past as a muslim is not very cherished either.

Could you provide some info on Shoaib Mansoor which indicates that he is not a secularoon/Liberaloon?

otherwise, it is business as usual.

The argument, and that too in a court of law, that Jinnah & Iqbal were beardless to garner sympathy for KanjarR behaviour is really very hysterically laughable. Some KanjarRoon also try to convince themselves that their IQ is equal to Ghalib's because they too are into rUNdee baazi & sharaab.

Are the movie-houses full of westoxicated types..pretending to be foreignish in Chapaati-Land?

Militarily Troubled Pakistan and Terribly Administered Tribals Here a Nation acts with pride & dignity & doesn not give in to the goraa-goondaas: Salaam India, Salaam.

and then there are our Cantonment kuttaa who is earning blood-money to confine, capture, kill those who are mujahids and fighting hard to get the goraa-baboons out of Muslim Lands...

This Cantonment & colonied "ELITE" will InshaAllah see a day soon when they will be dragged on the streets of all muslim lands & given exemplary treatment so that KanjarRs will ever dare to raise their ugly heads & try to act western ever again.
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Scrum ... Reunited with famly in India, Dr Haneef is vowing to fight for his right to work in Australia / AP / The Associated Press

Mohamed Haneef to fight to have visa restored

July 31, 2007 07:24am


THE Indian doctor detained for more than three weeks in Australia on false terrorism-related charges vowed overnight to "fight" to have his visa restored so he could return to work in the country.

Mohamed Haneef, 27, also demanded the Australian authorities apologise to India over the affair, and did not rule out taking legal action.
"I would like to return to Australia, I would like my visa back, I will fight for that," the former Gold Coast Hospital registrar said in the southern Indian city of Bangalore, his hometown.
"I enjoyed my time working at the Gold Coast Hospital and am saddened that until my visa has been returned that I am unable to return and work as a doctor there," said the medic, who was calm but visibly angered over his ordeal.
Dr Haneef was held in custody for almost four weeks and charged with providing "reckless" support to a terrorist group in connection with last month's failed car bombings in London and Glasgow.

But the case against him collapsed on Friday due to a lack of evidence.
A day later he was allowed to fly home to Bangalore, where he was reunited with his wife and saw his one-month-old baby for the first time.
Dr Haneef's Australian lawyer, Peter Russo, earlier foreshadowed legal action for damages to the doctor's reputation, but when asked if he intended to sue the Australian Government over his ordeal, Dr Haneef replied: "I have not sought any legal advice on this matter at this time; that will be later on."
"I don't expect an apology from the Australian Government or the authorities, but I would appreciate if they apologise to my peace-loving country and citizens," he said.
Asked if he felt he had been victimised as an Asian Muslim, Dr Haneef replied: "There might be an element of that.
"Islam narrates peace and love and nothing else. I am a true Islam follower."
Not sorry
Prime Minister John Howard had earlier dismissed calls for an inquiry into the bungled case and said the Muslim medic should not expect an apology.
Mr Howard said that when it came to preventing attacks, it was "better to be safe than sorry".

And he stood by Immigration minister Kevin Andrews's decision to cancel Dr Haneef's visa on character grounds, saying he was acting on "secret information".
Mr Andrews said he was keen to release the information but was consulting the commonwealth solicitor-general on whether he could do so.
Visa push
Meanwhile, Mr Russo has launched action in the Federal Court of Australia to have his visa restored.
He said he had a "strong case" to get Dr Haneef his visa back.

"We really need to restore his reputation," Mr Russo said. "The problem that we have in relation to whether or not we sue the (Australian) Government ... we haven't had the opportunity to sit down so that he can be fully informed of what all of his legal rights are."

Dr Haneef said: "I need a little time to think; I want to spend my time with my family at this time and see how it goes."
Mr Russo, who accompanied his client back to India, said Dr Haneef had endured an ordeal that was "difficult to comprehend".
"I found him to be a very humble and honest man and it gave me a great deal of honour and pleasure to assist him," Mr Russo said.
He said his client had cooperated fully with police, and even took the initiative to contact British authorities before his arrest.

Dr Haneef owned a mobile phone SIM card allegedly used in last month's attempted attacks in Britain. The doctor said he had given the card away in Britain before moving to Australia to work.
"He was detained without charge for up to 12 days, and I know that in different countries that isn't regarded as a big issue, but in Australia we have a system that says that shouldn't happen," Mr Russo said.
Calls are mounting for an inquiry into the Haneef case after police were described as bumbling "Keystone Cops" over their handling of the investigation.
But Mr Russo said Australian police were merely "like everyone in the world; there's good ones and there's bad ones".

Militarily Troubled Pakistan and Terribly Administered Tribals Where there is a weapon, there is a need to use it

Today:
INVENTION IS THE MOTHER of NECESSITY.........echoboom.

Such is the power of the most monstrous Popes of Power today..the ORGANISED SCIENTISTS!

the juggernaut of "PROGRESS" is out to crush humanity at any price.
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July 30, 2007
THE US AIR FORCE RULES THE SKIES

WASHINGTON - The capital may be buzzing with talk about the withdrawal of American forces from Iraq, but the US Air Force appears to be planning for a long stay in Mesopotamia and Central Asia.

The USAF is reported to be expanding its air bases in Iraq, including lengthening a second 11,000 ft runway at Balad Airbase, a nerve center for American air operations. There are persistent reports from the Pentagon that the US intends to keep four to six major military bases in Iraq, each with a powerful air component, and a 3,500-man helicopter-mobile, rapid reaction infantry brigade. Other US operating air bases
in Qatar, Bahrain, Oman, Pakistan, and Central Asia are being steadily improved.


Bush Administration hawks hope to retain control of oil-rich Iraq, and sharply decrease the number of US battle casualties, by using American air power and Iraqi troops. Iraqi `native’ troops, or `sepoys,’ as the British used to call its local mercenaries, will do all the dirty work on the ground and keep the populace under control.

US air power and infantry will only intervene when Iraqi sepoys get into trouble. This is precisely the same formula use by the British Empire to rule Iraq after World War I. Winston Churchill even authorized use of mustard gas by the RAF against rebellious Kurdish tribesmen – and troublesome Pashtun tribesmen on India’s Northwest frontier.

The US Air Force recently moved new squadrons of advanced F-16C’s fighters and workhorse A-10 ground attack aircraft to Iraq. Powerful B-1B heavy bombers have been repositioned from remote Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean to the Gulf.

The $220 million each B-1’s can carry up to 41,000 lbs of bombs. Their deadly accurate GPS-guided 500-lb and 1,000-lb bombs have inflicted heavy casualties on resistance fighters and, inevitably, civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. Thanks to amazingly accurate targeting, the USAF is now developing a new small, low blast radius 250lb bomb specially configured for anti-guerilla operations in civilian areas.

Without US fighters, B1’s and B-52’s heavy bombers, and AC-130 gunships constantly flying top cover, over-stretched US infantry in Iraq, and US/NATO forces in Afghanistan, might very well face defeat. Western forces could not protect their long, vulnerable supply lines and mall, scattered outposts against local guerillas without immediate, intensive air support.

Deprived of constant air support, US and NATO bases in Iraq and Afghanistan would become little Dienbienphu’s: surrounded and isolated, like the infamous French field fortress in the Vietnamese highlands, under heavy bombardment, and forced to rely on always insufficient air drops of munitions, supplies and reinforcements.

Afghanistan’s previous invaders, the British and Soviets, were primarily defeated by their inability to protect their long lines of communications. During World War I, a British army in Mesopotamia met the same fate at Kut after the Turks cut its supply lines to Basra.

By contrast, the mighty USAF maintains 24-hour combat air patrols that can respond within minutes to calls from ground units, directing devastating cluster munitions, smart bombs, and cannon fire onto attackers. When the Soviets occupied Afghanistan, the Red Air Force’s response time to attacks by mujahidin on Russian ground units was often as much as 30-60 minutes, by which time the attackers had escaped.

Consequently, assaults on US and NATO ground units are near suicidal affairs. So Iraqi and Afghan resistance forces have adopted as their weapon of choice roadside bombs command detonated by a single fighter from a safe distance.

US and NATO units, under mounting attack, are increasingly calling in close air support and bombing runs. This over-reliance on air support is causing civilian casualties to mount sharply in Afghanistan and Iraq. Guerilla forces can be suppressed and dispersed by air power, but not decisively defeated. Israel’s shocking failure to defeat Hezbullah guerillas in southern Lebanon last year by air attacks was a graphic example.

Whenever the US and NATO claim `100 dead suspected Taliban’ or `50 dead Iraqi insurgents,’ many are actually dead civilians. There is no way fighter and bomber pilots flying at over 300 mph can distinguish between un-uniformed fighters and civilians. In both Afghanistan and Iraq, the general rule is to attack any groups of men numbering more than two or three, and, as the old line from the Vietnam War went, `let God sort them out.’

The US has also developed reconnaissance capability of formidable capacity and coverage. US satellites can read license plates through clouds, smoke, rain or foliage, and track human infrared signatures. Drones, U-2 spy planes and a fleet of electronic warfare aircraft provide unblinking, 24/7 `eyes in the sky’ over almost all of Afghanistan and Iraq. The flood of data from all these sensors is consolidated and distributed to field commands or shared with HQ units in what is called `actionable’ information.

The US Air Force has become to the American Imperium what the Royal Navy was to the British Empire, the source of its might, and means of power projection.
While the Royal Navy ruled only the waves and littoral regions, the USAF can today reach and strike any point on the globe with devastating accuracy, speed and force. It is the mightiest, most technologically accomplished military force in history.

In fact, the USAF, with its new stealthy F-22 and upcoming F-35, are now so technologically advanced, they are at least 1.5-2 generations ahead of the rest of the world.

Russia has advanced technology and anti-stealth systems on the drawing board but cannot yet afford to deploy them in sufficient numbers. Russia, China, and India are unlikely to catch up with US military technology for the next 25 years – if ever.

The US accounts for 50% of total global military spending, and is simply too far ahead for any other powers to catch up – unless some radical new military technologies suddenly emerge that neutralize or make obsolete today’s advanced weapons systems.

Only Europe could compete militarily, had it the will, which it does not. In fact, America’s air force and naval aviation have enjoyed near absolute air superiority since 1943 with only temporary challenges during the Korean and Vietnam Wars.

The USAF also has the US military’s smartest, best educated, and most forward-thinking officers. The US Army’s thankless role – and I say this as a former Army infantryman - has become to pin down enemy units so they can become targets for the USAF’s smart bombs.

Today, the only real challenge facing the US Air Force comes from its old enemy, the US Navy, which is determined not to let the flyboys blitz its budgets and steal all the glory.

copyright Eric S. Margolis 2007