The Massacre at Bajaur Re: # 562by krishna_abcd on November 15, 2006 9:27am PT

Lord krishna:

You are beginning to learn how to post in a civilized way, and that is a good thing. Actually, you are even learning my style, and that is also a good thing.

What you are unable to learn, however, is how not to be hateful. You constantly bring in religion etc. which has nothing to do with the present discussion. I can understand that being a hindoo, you may be autistic (or a bipolar?), and hence stuck in your diatribe.

But, once again, the point is not lost to most people who chose to come to this site, yet they chose not to interact. That is right because I am making valid arguments that Pakistan has been producing good quality engineers, and most of them are in their own businesses.

Once again, Pakistanis are fortunate to differentiate ourselves from those who have come Hindoo Land. Heck, even hindoos from Sri Lanka do not like people from Hindoo Land.

{I see regularly that my American colleagues are reluctant to hire Mooslas. Their situation is like the Jews. Jews took to business because the Christians would not hire them. }

Now that logic is kinda twisted. Only numerical minorities may go into their own business (true for the Jews), and muslims do have numerical advantage. Actually, for muslims to be in their own business is because their holy prophet was in his own business, and as such it is considered as sunnat-e-rasool, which a hindoo, who is hateful like yourself will chose to not understand.

The answer to why most people from Pakistan chose business over employment is because we have more dignity than your ilk from the Hindoo Land. Look at Sardarijis from your society, they have too much dignity to be somebodies naukar. And this behaviour should be clear to you. Hindoos from Hindoo Land are just made for ghulaami.

And what better way than to be corporation`s ghulaam.

But, when you come to the real engineers. Those who are civil engineers, and work with mother earth, and interact with the people, you see humanity. Hindoos who have always worked inside corporations can never see what it takes to build a canal, and irrigate mother earth. And peeing is not what I mean by irrigation.

And when you want to build a super highway, you interact with local people to see who would lose their houses to eminent domain laws that the attorney`s have instituted, and the big corporate wigs (but not the engineer).

Engineers do not hate. But, you and your hindoos from Hindoo Land are consumed with hate. And the reason is obvious that you are not in touch with humanity.

Respectfully submitted,

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So how many hindoo owners of structural engineering firms do we find in the west? None, zilch, nada.

How many hindoo owners of civil engineering firms do we find in the west? None, zilch, nada.

Or hindoo owners of surveying firms do we find in the west? None, zilch, nada.

Or hindoo owners of architectural firms do we find in the west? None, zilch, nada.

Or hindoo owners of mechanical engineering firms do we find in the west? None, zilch, nada.

Or hindoo owners of electrical engineering firms do we find in the west? None, zilch, nada.

Or hindoo owners of plumbing engineering firms do we find in the west? None, zilch, nada.

No wonder hindoo land has lousy infrastructure, and have no indoor plumbing. Hindoo land is nothing but a land of squatters.

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Just to prove another point of ingenuity. Why are there more hits on this site from the hindoo lot that discussing about their own shenanigans on the site where conditions of Indians muslims are being discussed, eh!

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There are more hits on the other site, yet less interacts compared to this site.

Indian Muslims by Aparna Pande hits: 11900 interacts: 403

The Massacre at Bajaur by S. Farooq Hasnat hits: 11696 interacts: 558

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May be it just shows that hindoo land have their priority all screwed up, eh!

The Massacre at Bajaur Re: # 532 by ModiForPM on November 14, 2006 6:38pm PT

Responding to all-in-one from hindoo land:

{Does other line of DMZ means self employed?} No, the other side of DMZ line is the area where hi-tech code coolies assert that they are engineers, and here in my state, they are not. So much for the argument, extended by your lot, that Pakistan does not have good engineering educational system. Actually, As I have proven to you that Pakistani engineers are better than Indians.

{I cannot imagine that all engineering employees at Parsons or ABB or McDermott or KBR are worthless paper pusher and the only reason these companies are successful is because they hire consultant.}

Well, maybe not all, but all Indians are. Otherwise why take refuge in large numbers? Engineers by definition has to be independent and freedom loving. Keep an eye of whom I define as engineers. Have you ever had a chance to talk with Civil Engineers? or for that matter Structural Engineers?

You will find that they are not the usual lotta that you find amongst Indians. Face it, there are no Indian who can match the freedom loving engineers from Pakistan. Large companies have what is called inertia. And all of these companies that you have named has a huge contractor side besides it, and they buy projects because of financial arm to it. No, they can never produce the best engineering practices than the small nibbling engineering consultant. Just look at most of the engineering associations and you will rarely find the bureaucrats of these large conglomerates.

Besides, none of these are Indians. Why? When in the high-tech code coolie environment, your hindoo folks can incessantly brag about Wipro, Tata, etc., what went wrong in the old economy engineering business. We never heard of any Indian consulting engineering firm building a Jubail City in Saudi Arabia. Why?

Because Indian engineers are useless, and most who enter the profession want to become paper pushers in large corporations. Again, Indians are infested in lower tiers of any reputable engineering corporation. Private, these large corporations maybe, but they still are bureaucratic. And what happens in any bureaucracy, Indians remain like an old furniture.

It is not useful even to consider these people are engineers any more, because all they want is a paycheck and run home exactly at five. Will you ever get any invention out of folks like these. Never.

Heck, the Indians, who are stuck in academia can barely get their classes filled. They have not written a single book that is taught in the engineering world. Yes, they have ``day chaapo`` from other authors and stolen ideas from other renowned engineers.

{To be a consultant one needs skills to market onself and obtain projects along with engineering skills. Not all engineers are comfortable with that. That is why they prefer to work for a company rather than starting their own consulting business. }

Agreed, and that is exactly my point. But, this should be true with Pakistani engineers as well, don`t you agree? Why do we not see more Indians in the true engineering professional businesses?

{Your ``most part`` argument falls flat as you do not have any number to base that claim on.}

Yes agreed, because small consulting engineers are by definition unaccounted for, and all the more reason that Pakistani engineers are so enterprising. Incidentally, why is Tata Consultancy not competing for the over $50B Trans Texas Corridor? Because Tata consultancy is not in this kind of engineering, eh!

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{#533 by dullabhatti on November 14, 2006 5:38pm PT
irony of this PE`s in Texas debate is the the Chairman of the board that makes decisions regarding PE`s in Texas is a gujju bhai.:)}

Yes, bhatti shaib, that is the whole irony. Your unelected sham democracy has taken the newer engineers on a wild goose chase. Heck, until the early 1980`s, your government did not allow graduate students to come to the US. Heck, very few hungry one who came were enamored by the hi-tech industry, and lost their engineering credibility. Or the luck few became a loquacious no-brainer ``kitaabi keera`` at some University.

Hindoo engineers are truly a lost and a wretched soul.

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{#532 by jang on November 14, 2006 5:16pm PT
#531 behramji, you have made many loose assertions, admirably (HP is very impressed) forcefully, but not proven or supported them. then you saw a slew of data contrary to your assertions. }

Of course your notion can not be taken seriously. You are from a land that has been our enemy from day one of its independence. Now you would not expect to be honest about your inner feeling towards a successful country like Pakistan, or do you?

Jangju, you are a jealous and an envious person, and you know that. It is OK to accept your true inner feeling towards those who are highly advanced than you are. And Pakistan is such a country.

{one assertion from me is code-coolie industry is prolly has the largest number of independent contractors and small consulting houses. }

Here you go as vibrating and as fluctuating as the other autistic hindoo. Once gain, focus on the definition of engineering, and which engineering business we are talking about.

{maybe its time to resort to those sugarcanes and hindu-girls argument?} Alright, I can certainly use that on appropriate occasion. But as it stands right now I am enjoying these cherished moment of humiliating your educational system.

I would never give up this style of argument where every fabric in your hindoo body is burning with hate and despair.

Respectfully submitted,

The Massacre at Bajaur Dear Jang/Modi:

I have always maintained that working for a hi-tech company as a code coolie is nothing to brag about. Unfortunately, for most good indian engineers, they get stuck with these thoughts that somehow those on the other side of the DMZ line, somehow their shit does not stink. Or somehow if you are employed as a teacher in some University you are a better engineer.

Far from it. Those who work in some corporation and those who are employed in a university are the most useless engineers possible. Engineers are truly made when you work in a consulting environment and be almost on your own.

Do you get it now!

Otherwise it is truly a bogus argument for employees to make a lot of money than those of us who are self-employed. Now autistic people can get stuck with their level of thinking, but I suppose that the two of you are not autistic. Or are you?

It is a known fact that revenues/employee in any corporation is over $400,000 per year. And the average engineer, as an employee makes maybe $70,000/ year. What happens to the rest of the contribution that the employee has made? Corporation gets it, huh!

I have always been consistent in my argument against those who promote corporation`s welfare and not individual welfare. Pakistanis, for the most part believe in having their own small business environment, and hindoos don`t. Hindoo Land has trained a naukri mentality, and that is fact. Otherwise, with the numerical advantage that hindoos have, why would you not find more hindoos in small professional businesses? Why is that?

Respectfully submitted,

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Re: # 521 by jang on November 14, 2006 2:08pm PT

So, ????

And all of them are employees of some big firm, yes?

{i found 3 modis, 15 singhs and 12 gupta, 6 murthy, 4 joshi in texas with this. there were too many patels, and one Patelski, John Raymond.}

Why do you guys have no guts to start your own business, eh?

Array, jangju, are also autistic, just like that other idiot from India?

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Re: # 519 by ModiForPM on November 14, 2006 1:53pm PT

You must first learn to understand what the argument is all about. Actually, it is your autistic hindoo baradari who were suggesting that engineering is only the hi-tech code coolie baradari. By your response it seems that you disagree.

And your reply to Jang is appropriate

{Re: # 509
If you dont think construction is frontier of endeavour than please visit few new cities in Saudi Arabia. Those cities (not just one or two buildings) were built by Bechtel. They had lot of american engineers along with Indian engineers. }

Yet, I have been arguing that being employed at big shops is almost getting a job in the government. Is it not? What is the big deal to be another rat for Bechtel? Do you know what it takes to build Jubail city in S. Arabia? that incidentally was designed and built by Ralph M. Parsons. But you will not hear any hindoo land company doing such big projects.

Why? How many hindoos would you find having their own consulting engineering business?

Are Hindoos destined to remain muslims naukar?

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Re: #518 by ModiForPM on November 14, 2006 1:47pm PT

{Hopefully you will realize that there are lot of Indians with P.E. certificate. }

Agreed with your assertion. But, how many of them are in their own consulting business?

Why do I not find every 8 Indians to every 1 Pakistani? eh!

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#517 by muqaddam on November 14, 2006 1:37pm PT

Array o! soorma from the college of choutias in Delhi: What has gotten into you? Trying to act as some big wig, eh! Jawab nahin tau gaalam galoch uh!

{Be-herami No.1 is back with a stink, puking all the pent up anti India and anti Hindoo muck. Time to clean up the Chowk by throwing out this filthy stinking rotting garbage. }

Yes, getting rid of you would be a good start.

The Massacre at Bajaur Re: # 509 by jang on November 14, 2006 8:04am PT

Dear Jang:

So finally it has dawned on you that engineering is not for all Indians. As I have been suggesting all along that those from hindoo land are not recognized as engineers in our state. Hiding behind a desk in some large outfit that produces chips is not what legally are called engineers. Actually, there is a big fine for those who go around professing that they are engineers. But, that would be some other nuanced argument with your ilk.

{behramji, i cant speak for everyone, but being a PE was generally not in the plans for most indians showing-up in the US.}

Now that is not true. Some I have met were rejected by their own chosen engineering field, back in the hindoo land. They had no choice but to get involved with human traffickers, and pay as much as Rs. 400,000, and come on an H1-B visa and be benched over here. I am sure that you have heard of such terminologies. One hindoo was all in tears abot how the crooks of hindoo land come around and blow sand in his eyes. You would not agree to those shenanigans now, would you?

{ they aspired to be rocket-scientist, to do cutting-edge research, startups, hi-tech ventures etc...some succeeded, and some cut code while making good money for arjuns charts.}

Again not true. How can an individual be any worth when they work for so many years in an outfit that design one thing over and over again? till hell freezes over. Of course, those who are of any worth would get out of these outfits as fast as they could. But hindoos can not, because the moment they step into these large corporation they start decaying exponentially, and all they become is a paper pusher.

Sure, they think that they earn a huge sum, but they don`t. ``Bil-lee kay ankh main cheechra`` have you ever heard that, uh! Did you know that in self-employment, our benefit packages are much better than those corporate benefit packages?

And please remember people with autism will never understand what the world is all about.

{we have our borthers stuck in industries like construction (bechtel, one of the largest was prolly 30% indian engg), but that was never considered as the frontier of human endevour.}

So if engineering was not considered as a true profession why did these hindoos compete so vigorously to get in, and then waste the money spent on them. Does that make any sense?

OK, then don`t go around bragging about your Indian engineers, because there are none left.

{for pakis like you a PE and a state-board license to practice is indeed high achievement,
you stand tall amongst your other brothers and many kudos to you.}

Please don`t personalize this discussion. I never do that, but anyhow, thank you.

The only engineers that are found here in my state are from Pakistan, and no wonder we are doing just fine in our own consulting businesses. We never find any Indians, because your ruling elite has led you on a wild goose chase of becoming code coolies.

{we leave our small bussiness to our patels...they are far more talented than our engineers and they pretty much control hotels, subways and quiznos. }

And that is so yester years talk. Even there also the hindoos patelia`s ass is being kicked by the muslim Ismailis. But, this discussion is not about who is in the small business environment. This discussion is about who is in the Profession Engineering businesses, and for the most part hindoos are not. So much for the rubbish of IITs, eh!

Respectfully submitted,

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For those from hindoo land, this argument started with a hindoo claiming that the engineering curriculum in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is not to world standards. This assertion from the autistic bunch of hindoos that argue incessantly on this chowk was proven not to be true.

But, being autistic is a disease that the hindoos have, and it is medically impossible to have a cure for this bunch. Their arguments have consistently shown that they have nothing new to offer. Indians on average do not make more than Pakistani engineers. Actually, in our state those without a professional engineers license can not legally claim that they are engineers. This legality should come as a shock to those who are employed in large corporations and/or the university. If they are not registered as a professional engineer, then legally they can not use the title of an engineer.

Ab aeye baat sumach main, eh!

This goes further to prove that those of us who are in the private sector as an engineering consultant (for the most part, compared to Indians it is the Pakistanis) can only legally call ourselves as engineers.

But, autism is a debilitating disease that a lot of people from Hindoo Land suffer, maybe over 25% some would say?

The Massacre at Bajaur Re: # 469 by jang on November 13, 2006 4:04pm PT

Dear jang:

{#468 behramji your posts are offcourse invaluable, but you are wrong many times.}

Hindoos have consistently hated the advanced degreed engineers from Pakistan. It just shows that my evaluation, as always, is correct. Due to the numerical advantage of 1:8, if there is only 1 engineering business in my state by a person from Pakistan, then of course by this ratio of 1:8, one should see at least 8 professional engineering businesses run by Hindoos. However, we have not come across any hindoo businesses in structural engineering (Oh! look at all those super highway pictures that your hindoo zaat likes to brag about). But, who were the designers? Larson and Toubro?

Where are those structural engineering businesses by people from Hindoo Land in the US.

OK. Let me humiliate you in another way.

If we, the successful engineers from Pakistan are successful in our own engineering business, given the odds against us, then one would admit, that the serving Pakistani engineers are awesome.

Looking at it in yet, another way, we did not take refuge like some unsuccessful hindoo engineer thug in the up and coming technology business. Can you get it?

Ok. Do you want yet another point to get humiliated?

Well, I leave it for some other time. All this bogus issues that Hindoos on average make more than an engineer from Pakistan, defies generally accepted logic. How in the world can a person on teachers salary, or on a bureaucratic salary make more than the person who is in his private professional engineering business. And that too with the hindoo ratio of 8:1.

But, being from India, you may have learnt the fuzzy math that was so aptly disproved earlier. Your hindoo RSS team does not even know the difference between GDP and GNP. No wonder your country is still useless after so many years of independence.

Respectfully submitted,


P.S. Do you also suffer from autism?

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Jang:

Thank you for validating what I have suggesting all along. Here is how your claim is nullified.

{History:

The evolution of L&T into the country`s largest engineering and construction organizations is among the more remarkable success stories in Indian industry. The company was founded in Bombay (Mumbai) in 1938 by two Danish engineers, Henning Holck-Larsen and Soren Kristian Toubro - both of whom were strongly committed to developing India`s engineering talent and enabling it to meet the demands of industry. Beginning with the import of machinery from Europe, L&T rapidly took on engineering and construction assignments of increasing sophistication. Today, the company sets engineering benchmarks in terms of scale and complexity.}

Well, any more great engineering company in India, eh. You all had 60 years and all you could do is have some Banged Galore autism infected code coolies. Yet another proof that Hindoos have been infected with this disease of autism. Most of them are just stuck with degrading the greatness of Pakistani engineers.

Autism amongst Hindoos are very common, it just has not been diagnosed as of yet.

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You guys are still not getting it, or do you?

Except for Larson and Toubro (a foreign engineering company) what other local engineering companies are there in India that is world renowned. O! yeah, yeah, then there is Tata (a company started during the time of the Raj)

Shucks, can`t you guys understand that engineers from Pakistan are still better than those made in India. Most of them have their own consulting engineering businesses, and what about the Indian engineering naukars, who are employed, just as some good furniture.

Hindoo butts are on fire, eh!

So, who was that structural engineer that became world famous? eh! Sure, sure the Bengali chap, and not Pakistani.

Array wah reh wah, jang, just getting confused as usual, huh!.

Boeing gives you guys extended loan program to buy their aircraft, some financial khairat, and you think this is because you have some engineering superiority. Your society has not written a single engineering text book that is world renowned. All you have is copied materials as Theraja, etc. All you guys do is ``day chaapo``, and then, you don`t even give credit to the authors, and you consider this to be your country`s superior engineering curriculum, eh!

The Massacre at Bajaur Array Lord Krishna:

Pakistan still has much better engineers than hindoo land can ever think of?

Why is it that you guys don`t trumpet your structural engineers? or for that matter your mechanical engineers? or where is your power engineers? or your water resources? Your country was taken for a ride, and you wonder why Pakistanis are so much developed, eh!

Where are your engineers? Those who were ever made are now government baabujee or stuck in the academia. How many hindoo authored books are being taught in the US engineering classes? eh!

Just having all the bogus bakwas as usual. Keep up the good work and your country`s stupidity will be exposed. Your society deserve to be exposed and humiliated. You have no engineers in the US, and that is a fact.

And any that were made in the past decade or so were badly sucked into the wet dreams of hi-tech and hence have become code coolies. So much for the hindoo ruling elite. Guys who are not elected run your sham democracy. What would they know how to run an economy based on your country`s core competency. No wonder China has left your hindoo land in the dust bin of economy. Maybe you should now realize that hindoo land has no core competency. (Michael Porter may write another book on how to develop a nation without any core competencies and how to screw up a nation of over 1 Billion)

Garbage in Hindoo out (GIHO), eh!

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People from hindoo land have this disease of not following the context of the debate. They were the ones who claimed that engineers from Paki Land were useless, etc. Now that it has been proven without a shadow of doubt that engineers from the Land of the Pure are working to improve the lot of the societies that we live, the hindoos are trying to change the debate to the quantity of engineers.

Well, idiots, would have no boundary. The fools from India, must first decide what they want to argue about. Here in my city, as I have suggested amny times before, there is no engineering business by people from the hindoo land. Heck, in our state there is no professional engineering business by people from the hindoo land.

And thank God for that, if there were, these people would give a bad name to the rest of us from South Asia.

The Massacre at Bajaur Lord Krishna and Arjun:

I have no idea what home and garden services is. This terminology must have been created by some hindoo bureaucrat sitting in those government jobs as a furniture, uh!

Thanks for providing the best marketing that money can buy. At least 10,000 interacts of this chowks would know the greatness of this engineer from Pakistan.

But, again, back to the main argument. Pakistan does have many qualified engineers in the old economy in private enterprise, unlike people from hindoooo land who are stuck either in academia (without developing any worthwhile engineering formulas) or stuck in the government and city jobs (where they produce more of the same paper work) as some good babujee.

And no wonder the indoor air quality of these buildings where hindoo bureaucrats reside make everybody else sick. Not too long ago, one bureaucrat told me that the indians bring all those foul smelling food into the building that makes the indoor air quality issue much worse. Of course, I knew better. It was not the indian food, but it was the hindoos themselves that make IAQ a major problem.

Respectfully submitted,