India-Pakistan talks: the endless cycle Re: # 444by subhashjoshi on December 1, 2006 11:39pm PT

choutia gandoo hindoo subhashjoshi:

Just accept the fact that Hindoo Land is the evil land where humanity is destroyed every 77 minutes.

Just accept the fact that Hindoo Land is the evil land where minorities are tormented because of their religious values.

Just accept the fact that Hindoo Land is the evil land where caste system is still prevailing, where you will never have an egalitarian system of governance.

Just accept the fact that Hindoo Land is in violation of Human Rights as recently passed by the United nations.

Your Hindoo Land`s values are filthy, and being from Hindoo Land you have no moral authority.

India-Pakistan talks: the endless cycle

Hindoos of Hindoo land are the modern day hate mongers of this world. They have developed a society of cheaters, which they are erroneously calling it middle class. Every 77 minutes a women is burning because these meritocratic hindoos, these old furnitures of some corporation is asking for dowry which the bride`s parents can not afford.

Hindoos from Hindoo Land are shameless. They just kill its minorities all over Hindoo Land. Yes, they have quantity on their side, but they have no moral authority. Hindoos of Hindoo Land are not authentic.

Sooner rather than later, the world must come to the rescue of those downtrodden people in Hindoo Land. This world should become enlightened and save the majority of the dalit population of Hindoo Land.

The values of these Hindoos from Hindoo Land is not the values of the enlightened world.

Stagnating Pakistan-Iran Relations

This is how it all started:

Early History

The northwest of the Indian subcontinent, which now constitutes Pakistan, lies athwart the historic invasion routes through the Khyber, Gumal, and Bolan passes from central Asia to the heartland of India, and for thousands of years invaders and adventurers swept down upon the settlements there. The Indus valley civilization, which flourished until c.1500 BC, was one of the region`s earliest civilizations. The Aryans, who surpassed the Indus, were followed by the Persians of the Achaemenid empire, who by c.500 BC reached the Indus River. Alexander the Great, conqueror of the Persian empire, invaded the Punjab in 326 BC The Seleucid empire, heir to Alexander`s Indian conquest, was checked by the Mauryas, who by 305 BC occupied the Indus plain and much of Afghanistan.

After the fall of the Mauryas (2d cent. BC) the Indo-Greek Bactrian kingdom rose to power, but was in turn overrun (c.97 BC) by Scythian nomads called Saka and then by the Parthians (c.AD 7). The Parthians, of Persian stock, were replaced by the Kushans; the Kushan Kanishka ruled (2d cent. AD) all of what is now Pakistan from his capital at Peshawar. In 712, the Muslim Arabs appeared in force and conquered Sind, and by 900 they controlled most of NW India. They were followed by the Ghaznavid and Ghorid Turks. The first Turki invaders reached Bengal c.1200 and an important Muslim center was established there, principally through conversion of the Hindus. Although the northeast of the Indian subcontinent (now Bangladesh) remained, with interruptions, part of a united Mughal empire in India from the early 16th cent. to 1857, the northwest changed hands many times before it became (1857) part of imperial British India. It was overrun by Persians in the late 1730s; by the Afghans, who held Sind and the Punjab during the latter half of the 18th cent.; and by the Sikhs, who rose to power in the Punjab under Ranjit Singh (1780–1839).

And of course if you want to read any further, here is the link for your reading pleasure
Why should the wahabis be allowed to mess with the Pakistanis? Huh?

India-Pakistan talks: the endless cycle

Disputes between India and Pakistan arose also over the princely states of Junagadh, Hyderabad, and Kashmir. In the first two, Muslim rulers held sway over a Hindu majority but India forcibly joined both states to the Union, dismissing the wishes of the rulers and basing its claims instead on the wishes of the people and the facts of geography. In Kashmir the situation was precisely the opposite; a Hindu ruler held sway over a Muslim majority in a country that was geographically and economically tied to West Pakistan. The ruler signed over Kashmir to India in Oct., 1947, but Pakistan refused to accept the move. Fighting broke out (see India-Pakistan Wars) and continued until Jan., 1948, when India and Pakistan both appealed to the United Nations, each accusing the other of aggression. A cease-fire was agreed upon and a temporary demarcation line partitioned (1949) the disputed state.

If you want to learn more on how the Hindoos of Hindoo Land screwed Pakistan, here is the link (of course, this is only for your reading enjoyment, and for your enlightenment)

India-Pakistan talks: the endless cycle

Grim News for Hindoo land:

Even a small further increase in infection rate could mean that up to 25 million Indians contract HIV in the coming years.

India-Pakistan talks: the endless cycle Re: # 425

Kiya baat hai aap logounkee intelligence ka? Just like a mafia would say

[Arey Behram bhai, Dowry is given, not taken, by the girl`s father to his son-in-law at the time of the wedding, so where does selling and bidding come into the picture? You seem to be badly confused.]

Did you not hear the shrill of that burning women whose parents were asked much more than he could afford? No, because your ears are stuck in between your legs, isn`t it?

So who burns, this person who cannot give? Is this how a Hindoo`s brains work?

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And for you Lord Krsihna,

[misc. by behram_islamist_baba ] I have always maintained that I was born a Zoroastrian, I am a Zoroastrian, and will die as a Zoroastrian. As a true Zoroastrian we always fight the evil forces, wherever they are found. In this case Hindoo Land is full of evil forces hiding behind the facade of ``shining India``.

[So what if India is the new destination for VLSI design?]

Exactly my point. Hindoos will continue to belittle rest of humanity in Hindoo Land. Heck, your people can not afford a $60.00 per year AIDS drugs, and your Dalits can barely survive in your country, and just yesterday your meritocrats killed at least 18 women just because dowry was not given.

[Can Hindoos clean rotten $hit as quickly as Mooslas from Mooslaland? Eh? The answer is clearly NO.]

Of course, you will not allow more than 250 million of your dalits, because your Hindoo land is evil in thoughts, evil in words, and evil in deeds. And that is exactly what Zarathushtra has asked us to fight.

[And how dare Hindoos talk about women`s rights? Eh?]

Killing women because dowry is not paid is definitely a right that Hindoos can crow about.

[Will Hindooland do as much for their women? Eh? I think not. ]

No, Hindoo Land would continue to kill women in all of India.

And stop using that (Eh?) crap on me, huh. Can you not be a little creative on your own? Afterall you are from the meritocratic circle, or are you just from the fraudulent cheater`s society of Hindoo Land?

India-Pakistan talks: the endless cycle

World AIDS day and Hindoo Land, once again, tops the news at BBC News this morning, with more than 5 million people dying of AIDS related illnesses. And this is because Hindoos are roving around in the cities to get jobs, while their hindoo wives are stuck in rural areas.

And then when the family gets infected, Hindoos are creating another class of untouchables and are shunning these people.

And just yestreday, in Maharashtra state, Dalits protested against the state government, and riots broke out.

So, not only we have Dalits in the Hindoo Land, we have a burgeoning Hindoos AIDS infected people.

And yes, we also have those dowry related deaths. Just in one day, at least 18 women were killed, because all those Hindoo people from the meritocratic cheater`s class, want more money for wives.

Shame on the Hindoos from the Hindoo Land.

India-Pakistan talks: the endless cycle

In the last 4 hours, at least 3 women were burnt in the Hindoo Land. Hindoo in Hindoo Land have this universally accepted practice of burning women if dowry expectations have not been met. Hindoo land, where Hindoos sell their daughters to the highest bidder.

India-Pakistan talks: the endless cycle Re: # 409 by devkant on November 29, 2006 10:45pm PT

Dear Devkant:

Were you able to figure out the difference between GDP and GNP? Or do you want to get back to the basics of understanding how your parent`s cheater`s class was able to create a society based on fraud and trickery?

Once again, this society of Hindoo Land`s cheater`s class wants to show the world how to get bribes. Have you not figured it our yet, why Hindoos get employment in government offices as fast as they could, because they can fish some extra income on the side under the table.

Yeah, yeah, this is what the Hindoo meritocracy is all about. What was the last engineering text book that was written by a Hindoo author which is taught in the US? No wonder Garbage In Hindoo out (GIHO) is fast becoming the US academia buzz word.

Respectfully submitted,

India-Pakistan talks: the endless cycle

Ref: Post 406

Hindoos are killing for Dowry.

One women is killed every 77 minutes. Only in Hindoo Land women are killed for money. Is this what Hindoo meritocracy is all about? or should the world call this the killing fields of Hindoo Land? or is it just another practice of the Hindoo Land`s cheater`s class?

What Went Wrong?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/28/AR2006112801277.html

Stepping Into Iraq
Saudi Arabia Will Protect Sunnis if the U.S. Leaves

By Nawaf Obaid
Wednesday, November 29, 2006; Page A23

In February 2003, a month before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, the Saudi foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal, warned President Bush that he would be ``solving one problem and creating five more`` if he removed Saddam Hussein by force. Had Bush heeded his advice, Iraq would not now be on the brink of full-blown civil war and disintegration.

One hopes he won`t make the same mistake again by ignoring the counsel of Saudi Arabia`s ambassador to the United States, Prince Turki al-Faisal, who said in a speech last month that ``since America came into Iraq uninvited, it should not leave Iraq uninvited.`` If it does, one of the first consequences will be massive Saudi intervention to stop Iranian-backed Shiite militias from butchering Iraqi Sunnis.

Over the past year, a chorus of voices has called for Saudi Arabia to protect the Sunni community in Iraq and thwart Iranian influence there. Senior Iraqi tribal and religious figures, along with the leaders of Egypt, Jordan and other Arab and Muslim countries, have petitioned the Saudi leadership to provide Iraqi Sunnis with weapons and financial support. Moreover, domestic pressure to intervene is intense. Major Saudi tribal confederations, which have extremely close historical and communal ties with their counterparts in Iraq, are demanding action. They are supported by a new generation of Saudi royals in strategic government positions who are eager to see the kingdom play a more muscular role in the region.

Because King Abdullah has been working to minimize sectarian tensions in Iraq and reconcile Sunni and Shiite communities, because he gave President Bush his word that he wouldn`t meddle in Iraq (and because it would be impossible to ensure that Saudi-funded militias wouldn`t attack U.S. troops), these requests have all been refused. They will, however, be heeded if American troops begin a phased withdrawal from Iraq. As the economic powerhouse of the Middle East, the birthplace of Islam and the de facto leader of the world`s Sunni community (which comprises 85 percent of all Muslims), Saudi Arabia has both the means and the religious responsibility to intervene.

Just a few months ago it was unthinkable that President Bush would prematurely withdraw a significant number of American troops from Iraq. But it seems possible today, and therefore the Saudi leadership is preparing to substantially revise its Iraq policy. Options now include providing Sunni military leaders (primarily ex-Baathist members of the former Iraqi officer corps, who make up the backbone of the insurgency) with the same types of assistance -- funding, arms and logistical support -- that Iran has been giving to Shiite armed groups for years.

Another possibility includes the establishment of new Sunni brigades to combat the Iranian-backed militias. Finally, Abdullah may decide to strangle Iranian funding of the militias through oil policy. If Saudi Arabia boosted production and cut the price of oil in half, the kingdom could still finance its current spending. But it would be devastating to Iran, which is facing economic difficulties even with today`s high prices. The result would be to limit Tehran`s ability to continue funneling hundreds of millions each year to Shiite militias in Iraq and elsewhere.

Both the Sunni insurgents and the Shiite death squads are to blame for the current bloodshed in Iraq. But while both sides share responsibility, Iraqi Shiites don`t run the risk of being exterminated in a civil war, which the Sunnis clearly do. Since approximately 65 percent of Iraq`s population is Shiite, the Sunni Arabs, who make up a mere 15 to 20 percent, would have a hard time surviving any full-blown ethnic cleansing campaign.

What`s clear is that the Iraqi government won`t be able to protect the Sunnis from Iranian-backed militias if American troops leave. Its army and police cannot be relied on to do so, as tens of thousands of Shiite militiamen have infiltrated their ranks. Worse, Iraq`s prime minister, Nouri al-Maliki, cannot do anything about this, because he depends on the backing of two major leaders of Shiite forces.

There is reason to believe that the Bush administration, despite domestic pressure, will heed Saudi Arabia`s advice. Vice President Cheney`s visit to Riyadh last week to discuss the situation (there were no other stops on his marathon journey) underlines the preeminence of Saudi Arabia in the region and its importance to U.S. strategy in Iraq. But if a phased troop withdrawal does begin, the violence will escalate dramatically.

In this case, remaining on the sidelines would be unacceptable to Saudi Arabia. To turn a blind eye to the massacre of Iraqi Sunnis would be to abandon the principles upon which the kingdom was founded. It would undermine Saudi Arabia`s credibility in the Sunni world and would be a capitulation to Iran`s militarist actions in the region.

To be sure, Saudi engagement in Iraq carries great risks -- it could spark a regional war. So be it: The consequences of inaction are far worse.

The writer, an adviser to the Saudi government, is managing director of the Saudi National Security Assessment Project in Riyadh and an adjunct fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. The opinions expressed here are his own and do not reflect official Saudi policy.

What Went Wrong?

Do we really want to see a blood bath in Iraq?

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For all the talk that US should withdraw its forces from Iraq read here:

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Hindoos are killing for Dowry. Should this be called killing fields of Hindoo Land? or just another practice of the Hindoo Land`s cheater`s class

Here are just a few samples of what Hindoo Land is all about.

Dowry Disgrace
India`s ``kitchen accident`` epidemic.
by Abigail Lavin
11/29/2006 12:00:00 AM

THE LARGEST PRISON in Delhi, Tihar Jail, has a ``mother-in-law`` cell block, currently home to roughly 120 women, some of whom are serving 20-year sentences for murdering their daughters-in-law. The majority of these crimes stem from disputes over dowry: A bride whose dowry payments are viewed as inadequate is burned to death by her in-laws or husband, the cause of death listed as ``kitchen accident.`` According to India`s National Crime Record Bureau, one dowry death is reported every 77 minutes. The bureau recorded 7,026 dowry deaths in 2005 alone.

Since India opened up to foreign investment in 1990, the country has seen a rise in dowry-related violence alongside its economic boom. Dowry deaths surged from 400 a year in the mid-1980s to 5,800 a year in the mid-1990s, according to a 2001 report in Time magazine. The fact that more people are coming forward to report the crimes accounts for part of this increase, but official figures are still thought to reflect a mere fraction of the total number of dowry killings.

The sustained popularity of dowry payments underscores a deeper problem in India: entrenched cultural beliefs about women that defy the very laws put in place to combat them. Daughters are seen as a financial burden, and thus expendable. A United Nations report released this year estimated that female infanticide and sex-selective abortions account for 10 million ``missing`` Indian girls over the past 20 years. This is in spite of a 1996 law banning prenatal sex determination--a law that served mostly to push the practice underground. In Bombay and surrounding rural areas, billboards subversively advertise prenatal sex-selection tests with the slogan: ``Spend 500 rupees now [on amniocentesis], save 50,000 rupees later [on dowry payments].``

Abigail Lavin is a staff assistant at THE WEEKLY STANDARD.

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Hindoo Land considering Affirmative Action!

Really!?!

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006 11 30 story_30-11-2006_pg7_1

Report finds Indian Muslims lagging behind

By Khalid Hasan

WASHINGTON: A new report quoted in the New York Times on Wednesday said that Indian Muslims were “lagging behind” in most things that mattered.

The report, which is now being reviewed by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s office, said, “The community is relatively poor, more illiterate, and has lower access to education, lower representation in public and private sector jobs and lower availability of bank credit for self-employment. In urban areas, the community mostly lives in slums characterised by poor municipal infrastructure.” Muslims make up roughly 13 percent of the Indian population of 1.1 billion.

The findings of the panel, headed by retired High Court judge Rajinder Sachar, are expected to add to sparring over the Muslim vote, particularly in the elections to be held next year in Uttar Pradesh, where Muslims are a vital chunk of the electorate. One of the panel’s most damning statistics, as reported by one newspaper, is that in several states Muslims are significantly over-represented in prison. In the western state of Maharashtra, for instance, Muslims make up 10.6 percent of the population, but 32.4 percent of those convicted or facing trial. In the Indian Administrative Service, Muslims made up only two percent of officers in 2006. Among district judges in 15 states surveyed, only 2.7 percent were Muslim. Educational disparities were among the most striking disclosures. Among Muslims, the literacy rate is about 59 percent, compared with more than 65 percent among Indians as a whole.

On average, a Muslim child attends school for three years and four months, compared with a national average of four years. Less than four percent of Muslims graduate from school, compared with six percent of the total population. Less than two percent of the students at the elite Indian Institutes of Technology are Muslim, while only four percent of Muslim children attend madrassas.

The New York Times quoted Pratap Bhanu Mehta of the Delhi-based Centre for Policy Research as saying that the government panel had revealed “the hollowness of our concept of republican citizenship”. He said, “What is at stake is not just uplifting this or that group, but the very idea of India itself: whether it has the capacity for transcending the cant, indifference and identity traps that have brought us to this pass.”

The report, according to NYT, is expected to be made public soon, but leaks in the last several weeks have already turned its contents into political fodder.

Trial balloons have been floated about extending affirmative action benefits originally devised to uplift low-caste Hindus and others considered “backward”, by offering additional set-asides in education and employment for Muslims.

Abusaleh Sharif, secretary of the panel that issued the report, said in an interview this week that in some states, education and poverty indicators showed that Muslims had fallen behind even low-caste Hindus. He said the panel recommended, among other things, free and compulsory education up to age 14, as well as financial support to promote industries in which Muslims were concentrated, like textiles.

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But, it is still fun to say

``Harimau kay gaand me gus jao``

India-Pakistan talks: the endless cycle Re: # 394

[Really? Wipro had revenue of almost 3 billion $...even with a quota, only a deluded paki can think cleaning septic tanks can make you that kinds of money...

face it...you`re a quota hack with no chance of getting to where Premji is...]

$3 Billion my @ss, only fuzzy math taught in those Hindoo Land Ghost Universities.

You do believe in your own delusions, don`t you? At $100,000.00 revenue/employee, with only 20,000 employee only an autistic person like yourself can suggest that.

You being an expert in cut & paste technology why don`t you just google septic $6Billion and see what kind of businesses are out there. Here is one that I found..

http://www.perc.org/perc.php?id=547

And then there is this one:

http://www.mactec.com/About/Publications/Articles/Article_Quenching_Atlanta_Thirst.aspx

But, you must first take your drugs before you start reading these site, and yes may be you will understand how Hindoo Land is loosing huge amount of revenue by not going after septic tank infrastucture business.

Maybe it was Lord Krishna`s wishes for hindoos to squat on those railroad tracks to get his daily food, eh!

Anyhow, it is fun to say

``Harimau kay gaand me gus jao``

India-Pakistan talks: the endless cycle Re: # 400 by harimau on November 29, 2006 4:25pm PT

``Harimau kay gaand me gus jao``

[I think I was dealing pretty straight with Behram Atashband. ] Being a hidden hindoo like yourself is considered straight, eh!

[At which point, Behram started off his tirade with ``Harimau ka gaand me gus jao`` or some such crap which I do not fully understand but believe might have something to do with homosexual perversions.]

It just rhymes so much better. It is really a very good slogan to enter all those Hindoo meritocrats up your @ss, because that is what hindoo from Hindoo Land deserve.

What do you think?

[You have to ask Behram why his knowledge of history is so weak. And why he feels compelled to abuse those who correct him.]

Correcting my @ss. Being a hindoo hypocrite is all over this chowk. Why do you or any other so-called mild mannered (ranjit`s characterization of your kin folks, not mine) hindoo interactor of this chowk, NOT correct those idiotic comments made by hindoos who denigrate Pakistan? eh!

O! there we have the other idiot who has this opinion that Hindoos are adults. Give me a fu2cking break.

Until then, we will all sing the praise of Harimau

``Harimau kay gaand me gus jao``